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| Von Fourche... |
 Posted: Sun Nov 01, 2009 2:32 pm |
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One of my brothers wants a 45-70 Gov lever action. Are there any good
lever actions in this caliber that I can buy at a good price?
Also, what kind of kick does a 45-70 Gov have? Only lever action I've shot
is my 44-40.
Thanks!
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| Tim Douglass... |
| Posted: Mon Nov 02, 2009 3:58 pm |
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On Mon, 2 Nov 2009 00:32:55 +0000 (UTC), "Von Fourche"
<khonakong at (no spam) hotmail.com> wrote:
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# One of my brothers wants a 45-70 Gov lever action. Are there any good
#lever actions in this caliber that I can buy at a good price?
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# Also, what kind of kick does a 45-70 Gov have? Only lever action I've shot
#is my 44-40.
I absolutely love my Marlin 1895. Mine is stainless with a laminated
stock and I have a low-profile peep sight on it. Price-wise it is
probably about as reasonable as you will get for a new 45-70.
As to recoil I have a hard time quantifying it. Mine fits me perfectly
and has a good recoil pad on it. I'd say it is in the same range as my
30-06 but with a bit more "shove" than "hit". I'm perfectly
comfortable putting a couple boxes through it, but it would be a bit
much to use for a 100 round match or something like that.
Lever action, peep sight, big bore -- it just doesn't get any better
than that!
Tim Douglass
http://www.DouglassClan.com
"I'm not exactly burned out, but I'm a little bit scorched and there's some smoke damage."
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| Bluehawk99... |
| Posted: Wed Nov 04, 2009 10:15 am |
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Long Ranger said
"the Micro-Groove is not cool with lead bullets"
Actually that's a myth...a good cast bullet with a gas check such as
the RCBS 300 grain flat point is an extremely accurate bullet in my
1895SS with Micro Groove rifleing useing anywhere from 23 grains on up
to 50 grains of IMR 4198. I get sub-minute of angle 3-shot groups
consistently at 100 yards!
Marlin later changed to a modified Micro Groove and then to Ballard
rifleing in the Cowboy model only because they were pressured by
consumers but their customers realized (too late) the original Micro
Groove was far superior with cast bullets!
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| Rubaiyat of Omar Bradley... |
| Posted: Thu Nov 05, 2009 12:42 pm |
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On Nov 4, 1:15 pm, Bluehawk99 <bluehaw... at (no spam) aol.com> wrote:
# Marlin later changed to a modified Micro Groove and then to Ballard
# rifleing in the Cowboy model
Actually, it looks like all of the current Marlin 45-70s come with
Ballard rifling, not just the cowboy model.
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| Bluehawk99... |
| Posted: Fri Nov 06, 2009 12:17 am |
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Rubiyat said:
# Actually, it looks like all of the current Marlin 45-70s come with
# Ballard rifling, not just the cowboy model.
I didn't mean it to say ONLY the Cowboy rifle had Ballard rifleing...I
should have put a comma in there:
"in the Cowboy model, only because they were pressured.."
I do think it was the Cowboy model though that received the Ballard
first...if I remember correctly.
If not, then I stand corrected.  )
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| WHITE BUDDHA... |
| Posted: Fri Nov 06, 2009 12:40 pm |
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I had a Marlin guide gun in 45-70 that would kick the lard out of a
biscuit....
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| Posted: Fri Nov 06, 2009 12:40 pm |
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On Nov 5, 3:42 pm, Rubaiyat of Omar Bradley <cowartmi... at (no spam) yahoo.com>
wrote:
# On Nov 4, 1:15 pm, Bluehawk99 <bluehaw... at (no spam) aol.com> wrote:
# # Marlin later changed to a modified Micro Groove and then to Ballard
# # rifleing in the Cowboy model
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# Actually, it looks like all of the current Marlin 45-70s come with
# Ballard rifling, not just the cowboy model.
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Same with .44 Magnums. There was a really big fuss in the gun rags
awhile back about Micro-Groove not being suited to cast bullets, which
has since sunk in to become one of the Facts That Can't Be Disputed.
I've seen accounts both ways, it's the best thing since sliced bread
and it's terrible, can't hit the broad side of a freighter. Mine's a
late one, so it's got the Ballard-style of rifling, which works well
enough to kill deer... I think the differences in accounts are
related to individual tolerances on each rifle, how smooth the leade
is and the user's choice of alloy, lube, bullet size and load. Over-
drive any lead slug and it's going to give you fits, no matter what
the rifling type is. What I haven't seen is a test of two otherwise
identical Marlins, one with Micro-Groove and one with Ballard rifling,
side-by-side with the same loads. What I do give Marlin credit for is
listening to the users and making changes, they DO want to sell rifles
after all.
It's funny, though, that the terrible Micro-Groove accuracy hasn't
been noticed with the rimfires, they've got really limited lube and
the bullets are dead soft compared to most cast ones. You'd think if
there were leading troubles or inherent accuracy problems, they'd show
up there first. If it were really that terrible, Marlin probably
wouldn't have introduced it at all.
Stan
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| Bluehawk99... |
| Posted: Sat Nov 07, 2009 4:41 pm |
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"�You'd think if there were leading troubles or inherent accuracy
problems, they'd show up there first. �If it were really that
terrible, Marlin probably wouldn't have introduced it at all."
And you would be correct...Marlin has been around a looong time and
knows exactly how to make excellent firearms!
I've pushed 300 grain cast bullets of linotype...gas checked...up to
2,200 fps with no loss of accuracy at 100 yards in my 1895SS .45-70
with Micro Groove rifleing. Have had several discussions with the
folks at Marlin about this and they agree...match the bullet and
powder to the gun with it's rifleing and you'll have success. Those
who have condemned Micro Groove in the past obviously did not take the
time to experiment enough or simply just parrotted what they had heard
from others!
Of course this doesn't mean what is excellent in my rifle will shoot
just as well in yours...you have to get out there and try different
loads...don't give up...somewhere in that drawer of molds and on that
shelf of powders is a winning combination for you!
As an aside, I have used this same bullet and powder combination at
the same velocity in my Czech VZ24 Mauser customized into a .458
Winchester magnum and the best it can do with that is approx. 2.5 inch
groups at 100 yards...so I have to keep experimenting with different
powders and cast bullets if I want to decrease that group, BUT a group
size such is that is perfectly acceptable in that rifle for the game
that caliber/bullet/velocity combination is intended for as it would
be also for the .45-70!
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| Larry Caldwell... |
| Posted: Mon Nov 09, 2009 2:49 am |
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In article <hd28lk$f89$1 at (no spam) news.albasani.net>, emailjeffkelley at (no spam) gmail.com
(WHITE BUDDHA) says...
# I had a Marlin guide gun in 45-70 that would kick the lard out of a
# biscuit....
Factory loads are safe in the old trap door Springfields, and are pretty
mild on recoil. If you load up to modern pressures, an 1895 will really
kick. Give your shoulder room to get out of the way. I shot a heavy
load prone once, and almost broke my shoulder.
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