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Domanda...
Posted: Fri Oct 30, 2009 5:36 pm
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hi everyone.
I am trying to buy my first long sleeve running sjirt, 1/4 zip.
I tried a North Face and a Mizuno. I wonder how tight it has to be, as
I cant decide between the S size and the M. I ignore if it should be
very tight or a bit loose like a normal tshirt (I am 181cm and 70 kg.
5'11'' and 155)
thanks in advance
regards
 
Charlie Pendejo...
Posted: Fri Oct 30, 2009 5:36 pm
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Domanda:
Quote:
I am trying to buy my first long sleeve running sjirt, 1/4 zip.

JBH:
Quote:
Why would you want a zipper on a running shirt?

I like quarter zip long sleeves for running in in-between weather,
where once I'm warmed up - or once the day warms up a bit - a little
extra ventilation feels good. The zipper is far from essential in my
book, but it's a nice luxury.


Quote:
5'11 and 155 pounds sure sounds like a medium to me.

I'd think so too.
 
John Hurley...
Posted: Fri Oct 30, 2009 5:36 pm
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On Oct 30, 7:36 pm, Domanda <D... at (no spam) anda.net> wrote:

snip

Quote:
hi everyone.
I am trying to buy my first long sleeve running sjirt, 1/4 zip.
I tried a North Face and a Mizuno. I wonder how tight it has to be, as
I cant decide between the S size and the M. I ignore if it should be
very tight or a bit loose like a normal tshirt (I am 181cm and 70 kg.
5'11'' and 155)
thanks in advance
regards

Why would you want a zipper on a running shirt?

Too tight is not comfortable for me when running. 5'11 and 155 pounds
sure sounds like a medium to me.
 
pithydoug...
Posted: Fri Oct 30, 2009 5:36 pm
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On Oct 30, 8:27 pm, John Hurley <johnbhur... at (no spam) sbcglobal.net> wrote:
Quote:
On Oct 30, 7:36 pm, Domanda <D... at (no spam) anda.net> wrote:

snip

hi everyone.
I am trying to buy my first long sleeve running sjirt, 1/4 zip.
I tried a North Face and a Mizuno. I wonder how tight it has to be, as
I cant decide between the S size and the M. I ignore if it should be
very tight or a bit loose like a normal tshirt (I am 181cm and 70 kg.
5'11'' and 155)
thanks in advance
regards

Why would you want a zipper on a running shirt?

I have 3-4 with zippers and they come in handy. the zipper allows you
adjust for ventilation. Just today I ran with one and on the way out
with the wind at my back, I got warm and zipped it down. On the way
back with the wind in my face I zipped it back up. I do the same thing
even when wearing it under Gortex in -10F. If I was to buy one, which
I have not in many years because my races give out tech shirts with a
zipper, I would want it to have a zipper.


Quote:
Too tight is not comfortable for me when running. 5'11 and 155 pounds
sure sounds like a medium to me.

Tight vs loose is a personal preference, nothing scientific with one
over the other. .

-D
 
bgl...
Posted: Fri Oct 30, 2009 7:36 pm
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"John Hurley" <johnbhurley at (no spam) sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
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On Oct 30, 7:36 pm, Domanda <D... at (no spam) anda.net> wrote:

snip

Quote:
hi everyone.
I am trying to buy my first long sleeve running sjirt, 1/4 zip.
I tried a North Face and a Mizuno. I wonder how tight it has to be, as
I cant decide between the S size and the M. I ignore if it should be
very tight or a bit loose like a normal tshirt (I am 181cm and 70 kg.
5'11'' and 155)
thanks in advance
regards

Why would you want a zipper on a running shirt?

Too tight is not comfortable for me when running. 5'11 and 155 pounds
sure sounds like a medium to me.
Quote:


Some people like their running clothes a little looser, some like them to
fit like sausage skins. Personal preference, as are the materials you like,
that "feel good" to *you*. There's no right or wrong to it.

I love my zipper-turtleneck shirts -- a little extra warmth when starting
out, easy un-zip for cooling later on; also easy re-zip when going into a
cold wind, or, as often happens, into & against that cold wind several times
during any one outing.

For reference, though, I'm kind of a dorky slogger old lady type. I like to
be comfortable when I run; compared to some people, I'm way overdressed.
I'm certainly far from "sleek".
I'm one of those runners that there are occasional threads about to the tune
of "Why is somebody like that cluttering up my landscape?"
bj
 
Dot...
Posted: Fri Oct 30, 2009 11:00 pm
Guest
Domanda wrote:
Quote:
hi everyone.
I am trying to buy my first long sleeve running sjirt, 1/4 zip.
I tried a North Face and a Mizuno. I wonder how tight it has to be, as
I cant decide between the S size and the M. I ignore if it should be
very tight or a bit loose like a normal tshirt (I am 181cm and 70 kg.
5'11'' and 155)
thanks in advance
regards

I wear a base short-sleeve t-shirt under whatever other layers I wear,
and it rides close to body so there's no air bouncing around. Other
layers may be snug if they're stretchy, loose if they're less stretchy.

Almost all my running long sleeves have zips to allow for ventilation.

Something that may or may not be an issue - depending upon your weather
and what else you might be wearing - is how breathable it is vs how
windproof or wind resistant.

I'd say medium also. I'm 5'8", 145lb and usually take a men's small in
long sleeves - sometimes they're snug, sometimes shells are baggy. So
I'd definitely go with at least a medium.

Dot

--
"You’ll never hear me say I beat the Peak. I’ve run up there pretty
fast, and that mountain doesn’t care. I’ll never conquer the Peak." -
Matt Carpenter
 
John Hurley...
Posted: Sat Oct 31, 2009 11:20 am
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On Oct 31, 5:01 pm, sh... at (no spam) panix.com (Melinda Shore) wrote:

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Quote:
Oh, good. Someone else to stick up for cold can be good. You'll be able
to share your experiences. Better mushing up there? or school? (although
6wks ago is too late for school to start)

I'm working at the university, and the (incredible!) West
Ridge trails are right behind my office.  I moved up for a
mix of the job and the mushing and the skiing.  I'm living
out in Two Rivers, which has 4 times as many dogs as people
and again, fantastic trails.

So Melinda I guess the race between you and me at Holiday Valley ( you
on cross country ski gear and me on real ski equipment ) down the Wall
is off?

A while ago I had 2 huskies and enjoyed going on the mountain bike
with them attached and pulling. You need good brakes obviously but it
is a blast. More than 2 huskies ... that's a real big dog food bill
but maybe you just feed them elk and caribou and bear?
 
Dot...
Posted: Sat Oct 31, 2009 1:44 pm
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Domanda wrote:

Quote:
I really do thank everyone. But I am surprised to understand that
there is not right answer. I thought on the contrary that being
tight/snugging had something to do with the transpiration and air
flowing between your body and the shirt (so I imagined a "scientific
answer")

It does for some materials and designs.

I don't think you indicated where you are and temperature / wind regimes
you'd likely encounter.

When you asked for a "shirt," I assumed you were looking for a base
layer weight (somewhat snug is generally preferable), but whether that
would be used alone usually or as base layer under a shell or insulating
layer wasn't stated.

As I mentioned, I usually wear a ss t under everything else, and that is
where I get my relative snugness. If weather changes or I run into a
warmer area, I can peel the long-sleeve layer.

As long as the material is somewhat to very stretchy, I may prefer the
snugger fit. But with things that don't stretch or have minimal stretch,
I definitely go with the looser fit, so I'm not constrained when
running. I've found most garments are made snug or baggy depending upon
how they're intended to be worn. That is, the clothes that really depend
on skin contact, and not over another layer, will be snug.


Quote:

The north face S size was a bit tight on the arms, but I was not able
to understand if it had to be in that way (because it's a "technical"
tool) or not. While the M size was a bit loose on the shoulder/chest.
And sometime TNorth Face runs a bit bigger, so last winter I bought a
jacket S size because the M was too saggy.

If mine are tight around shoulders and arms, I generally get next size
up or a different style or brand. When I have bought them (clearance and
no next size up available), they generally don't get used that much.

Quote:

Also, is there a brand/material which is definitely better than other?
I am going to another store today. But yesterday the North Face felt
much better material and manufacture than the Mizuno

I haven't looked at base layer stuff in years, but at the time I bought
my original stuff (7-8 yr ago), Powerdry from Malden Mills was
considered one of the best fabrics for wicking. There are others now,
including some from Malden Mills, that might be better or at least as
good. When rearranging drawers the other day, a long sleeve (no zip)
shirt surfaced that was made from Thermastat (thermotech?). Judging by
color of label, it's vintage. It's stretchier than powerdry but not sure
about wicking. I don't often use a base-weight long-sleeve shirt.

If you're looking for something for colder temperatures (below freezing)
with a little bit of wind, I like the Swift fabric that Sporthill uses.
It's got sufficient wind resistance for a non-windy day, but also layers
under a shell nicely for windy days.

Techie stuff can be expensive, but if you know what you want or have a
decent idea, you can find closeouts in stores or online. I've gotten
many good deals (about half price) at
www.sierratradingpost.com
http://www.milemarkersports.com/
www.campmor.com
not to mention sales at REI and local running and mountaineering stores.

When I started running, I just ran in cotton sweats and cotton t's and
nylon windbreakers. When I started running more, esp. in AK, I switched
to tech stuff. Then gradually my tech stuff found it's way into my field
gear (field vegetation ecologist before I retired). If you have to deal
with cold and wet for any length of time, the tech stuff is worth the
money. And it generally lasts a long time, maybe making it cheaper than
cotton in long term. JMHO. But if you're running < 1hr/day, in temps
near freezing or above, and not 50mph winds, then the techie stuff
probably doesn't have any real benefits other than feeling nicer.

Dot

--
"You’ll never hear me say I beat the Peak. I’ve run up there pretty
fast, and that mountain doesn’t care. I’ll never conquer the Peak." -
Matt Carpenter
 
Melinda Shore...
Posted: Sat Oct 31, 2009 3:01 pm
Guest
In article <hci0t2$dt$1 at (no spam) news.eternal-september.org>,
Dot <AKTrailRun at (no spam) #gmail.com> wrote:
Quote:
Oh, good. Someone else to stick up for cold can be good. You'll be able
to share your experiences. Better mushing up there? or school? (although
6wks ago is too late for school to start)

I'm working at the university, and the (incredible!) West
Ridge trails are right behind my office. I moved up for a
mix of the job and the mushing and the skiing. I'm living
out in Two Rivers, which has 4 times as many dogs as people
and again, fantastic trails.

Fairbanks has the fittest people I've seen outside of
Boulder. There are plenty of very unfit people, too, but
the fit ones are extremely fit, possibly because they don't
wimp out when the weather takes a turn. I let myself go
quite a bit over the summer but there's now enough snow out
here to get out on skis (but not enough for the dogsled) and
am starting to pull myself together. But it's great - my
"sweet spot" for running and skiing is about 10F, which is
basically where we're going to be at lunchtime for the next
little bit, it looks like.

Quote:
Right. And usually Fairbanks stores will have more appropriate gear for
wearing up there. Even things that students can wear. Apocolypse Design
does some good custom work.

I've been finding that what they have up here really isn't
that different from what's available in the northeast, aside
from headwear and handwear (and even that's substantially
similar), but people are smarter about putting it together.
Part of that knowledge extends to knowing the difference
between what's uncomfortable but safe and what's actually
dangerous, which is knowledge that people in the northeast
have lost as they've become more urbanized and indoors-
focused.

Quote:
Share your experiences with us.

Not much so far - it's been chilly (-10F at my cabin this
morning, which is in a low, cold spot) but still
comfortable. I've been warned of two things: 1) the coldest
I'll be is early training on the ATV, since you're basically
just sitting there, and 2) when it gets really cold plastic
poop (dog poop) buckets get so brittle that they can shatter
easily, and that's very unpleasant.
--
Melinda Shore - Software longa, hardware brevis - shore at (no spam) panix.com

Prouder than ever to be a member of the reality-based community
 
jobs...
Posted: Sat Oct 31, 2009 7:13 pm
Guest
John Hurley wrote:
....
Quote:

Cheap cotton running shirts is what I have worn for 25+ years works
well for me. A like a tyvek jacket on top ( which does have a
zipper ) in cold weather along with gloves. Usually shorts unless
temp goes 30 degrees or below.
....


However, if you sweat a lot, cotton is probably the worst material. I
lose anywhere from 2 to 5 lbs on a run. Wearing cotton would be like
lugging around a few pounds, not to mention the chafing.

jobs
 
jobs...
Posted: Sat Oct 31, 2009 7:18 pm
Guest
pithydoug wrote:
....
Quote:
I have 3-4 with zippers and they come in handy. the zipper allows you
adjust for ventilation. Just today I ran with one and on the way out
with the wind at my back, I got warm and zipped it down. On the way
back with the wind in my face I zipped it back up. I do the same thing
even when wearing it under Gortex in -10F. If I was to buy one, which
I have not in many years because my races give out tech shirts with a
zipper, I would want it to have a zipper.
....


I have a couple with zippers and I find them handy after a run where I'm
not coming home directly but hanging out doing something; the zippers
help to kick up the warmth factor a notch.

jobs
 
jobs...
Posted: Sat Oct 31, 2009 7:33 pm
Guest
Domanda wrote:
....
Quote:
Also, is there a brand/material which is definitely better than other?
I am going to another store today. But yesterday the North Face felt
much better material and manufacture than the Mizuno
....


You got some great responses already. Just adding to that here. A couple
of things you might want to keep in mind are odor and chafing. For
chafing, I found that you don't really know unless you use it. I've have
trouble with technical fabric that looked good and were okay for 4-5
mile runs, but had slight chafing issues when I wore them for slightly
longer runs on warm days.

You could check out merino wool running shirts. Slightly more expensive
but worth every dime. For odor control, they are the best (IMHO). Also,
I've been able to wear merino from 30F to 70F comfortably. Even when
completely soaked after a long run, you don't feel cold.

Personally, I've had good luck with Pearl Izumi shirts, even though they
are mainly known for their cycling stuff.

Good luck,
jobs
 
Dot...
Posted: Sat Oct 31, 2009 9:34 pm
Guest
Melinda Shore wrote:
Quote:
In article <hci0t2$dt$1 at (no spam) news.eternal-september.org>,
Dot <AKTrailRun at (no spam) #gmail.com> wrote:

Oh, good. Someone else to stick up for cold can be good. You'll be able
to share your experiences. Better mushing up there? or school? (although
6wks ago is too late for school to start)


I'm working at the university, and the (incredible!) West
Ridge trails are right behind my office. I moved up for a
mix of the job and the mushing and the skiing. I'm living
out in Two Rivers, which has 4 times as many dogs as people
and again, fantastic trails.

You must be in either GI, SNRAS, or IAB? (Before I retired, I was in the
Palmer part of SNRAS / AFES and stayed on farm when passing through town
enroute to research areas.)

Quote:

Fairbanks has the fittest people I've seen outside of
Boulder. There are plenty of very unfit people, too, but
the fit ones are extremely fit, possibly because they don't
wimp out when the weather takes a turn. I let myself go
quite a bit over the summer but there's now enough snow out
here to get out on skis (but not enough for the dogsled) and
am starting to pull myself together. But it's great - my
"sweet spot" for running and skiing is about 10F, which is
basically where we're going to be at lunchtime for the next
little bit, it looks like.

They have a much stronger running community up there than we do down
here, esp. for winter running. But we probably have stronger mtn runners
and xc skiers, just because of terrain. They have some real animals for
winter ultras - either bike or run them, but could probably ski them also.

I was out today in about +28F, calm and had one of my best runs in a
long time. A hill I did repeatedly in 2008 but rarely (because of road
construction) did in 2009 (and sucked when I did do it) was almost, but
not quite, like a year ago. 30 to 40deg makes a big difference.
Quote:


Right. And usually Fairbanks stores will have more appropriate gear for
wearing up there. Even things that students can wear. Apocolypse Design
does some good custom work.


I've been finding that what they have up here really isn't
that different from what's available in the northeast, aside
from headwear and handwear (and even that's substantially
similar), but people are smarter about putting it together.
Part of that knowledge extends to knowing the difference
between what's uncomfortable but safe and what's actually
dangerous, which is knowledge that people in the northeast
have lost as they've become more urbanized and indoors-
focused.


Share your experiences with us.


Not much so far - it's been chilly (-10F at my cabin this
morning, which is in a low, cold spot) but still
comfortable. I've been warned of two things: 1) the coldest
I'll be is early training on the ATV, since you're basically
just sitting there, and 2) when it gets really cold plastic
poop (dog poop) buckets get so brittle that they can shatter
easily, and that's very unpleasant.

Yea, that's the thing we miss down here. It gets cold, but the plastics
and metals usually hold up even if oil turns to goop. We had -40F a
number of years ago, and cars were falling apart, etc.

Dot

--
"You’ll never hear me say I beat the Peak. I’ve run up there pretty
fast, and that mountain doesn’t care. I’ll never conquer the Peak." -
Matt Carpenter
 
John Hurley...
Posted: Sun Nov 01, 2009 8:52 am
Guest
On Oct 31, 8:33 pm, jobs <jo... at (no spam) remove-deez-words.hotmail.com.edu>
wrote:

snip

Quote:
You got some great responses already. Just adding to that here. A couple
of things you might want to keep in mind are odor and chafing. For
chafing, I found that you don't really know unless you use it. I've have
trouble with technical fabric that looked good and were okay for 4-5
mile runs, but had slight chafing issues when I wore them for slightly
longer runs on warm days.

It seems like 1 out of 3 races these days are handing out "technical
shirts" both short and long sleeve.

Major league irritating when going out for more than an hour ... every
time. They do look good for wearing around with blue jeans but that's
about it.

I will pass on the wool bashing ( this time )! Nothing but cotton for
me baby except for a technical singlet that I can put up with for
5k's!
 
Melinda Shore...
Posted: Sun Nov 01, 2009 3:45 pm
Guest
In article <hcivl5$2jk$1 at (no spam) news.eternal-september.org>,
Dot <AKTrailRun at (no spam) #gmail.com> wrote:
Quote:
You must be in either GI, SNRAS, or IAB?

Close - ARSC. We're in WRRB, so the trails are *right*
outside the door.
Quote:
They have a much stronger running community up there than we do down
here, esp. for winter running. But we probably have stronger mtn runners
and xc skiers, just because of terrain.

I don't know about the skiers (UAF does well nationally) but
I'm sure about the mountain runners. This place is flat!
I'm coming from the land of glacial gorges and I miss the
hills already, although I think having more than a month of
winter just *might* compensate for that a little.

Quote:
Yea, that's the thing we miss down here. It gets cold, but the plastics
and metals usually hold up even if oil turns to goop. We had -40F a
number of years ago, and cars were falling apart, etc.

My favorite story so far was from my insurance agent, who
said that his car got stuck in a snow bank in very cold
temperatures, so he was rocking it out and the shift lever
snapped off.

Being able to see the sun occasionally this time of year is
fantastic, too. Central NY is just solidly overcast from
November through March and it gets pretty dreary. It's been
quite beautiful here.
--
Melinda Shore - Software longa, hardware brevis - shore at (no spam) panix.com

Prouder than ever to be a member of the reality-based community
 
 
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