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Lieberman Twists the Knife
Healthcare Policy | Joe Lieberman
by Robert Scheer | October 28, 2009 - 9:26am
Is there a more hypocritical figure in American politics than Joe
Lieberman? The Connecticut senator declared Tuesday that he would
support a filibuster of any health care reform bill that has a public
option--even the version with the "trigger" compromise accepted by
Republican Sen. Olympia Snowe--because it might cost money.
"I think that a lot of people may think that the public option is
free," said Lieberman, one of the Senate's big spenders, in a suddenly
frugal mood. "It's not. It's going to cost the taxpayers and people
that have health insurance now, and if it doesn't, it's going to add
terribly to our national debt."
This from a senator who, as much as anyone, helped run up the national
debt since 9/11 by pushing to raise the military budget to its highest
level since World War II. It is a budget inflated by enormous
expenditures on high-tech weaponry irrelevant to combating terror,
such as the $2-billion-a-piece submarines--produced in his home state
of Connecticut--that he claimed were needed to combat al-Qaida, a
landlocked enemy holed up in caves. The same week that he and others
in Congress passed a $680-billion defense bill larded with pork of the
sort he has always supported, Lieberman is worried about the impact of
a very limited public option on the debt.
Lieberman, whose state is also home to insurance companies that are
opposed to any consumer-friendly medical coverage alternative, boldly
stated that his opposition to even the most limited version of a
public option should not be surprising: "I think my colleagues know
for a long time that I've been opposed to a government-created,
government-run insurance company." Perhaps during his filibuster to
prevent a vote on the public option Lieberman can square that position
with his longtime support of the massive government-run insurance
programs Medicare and Social Security.
Maybe he can also take that time to justify his strong support for the
government bailout of troubled banking and insurance companies that
has tripled the federal deficit this year to $1.4 trillion. Is AIG not
now a "government-run insurance company," and doesn't the $185 billion
of taxpayer money tossed at that sorry enterprise add up to more than
twice the yearly cost of the health reform package? And that's without
considering the trillions of tax dollars put into play to shore up
Citigroup, Bank of America, GM, Chrysler and those other suddenly
socialized sectors of American corporate life.
If a scant public choice in health care is so threatening to our way
of life, because health care alone must be kept a pristine captive of
the most destructive impulses of an unbridled free market, then why
not privatize Medicare as well as the publicly financed health care
programs for government workers--including those in Congress like
Lieberman, veterans and the active military? And while we're at it,
why not revive that Republican fantasy, popular in their ranks just a
few years ago, of privatizing Social Security by turning the most
effective government program over to the vagaries of the stock market?
I do continue to begrudgingly respect the consistency, if not the
wisdom, of libertarians like Ron Paul who oppose all of this big-
government intrusion into the economy. At least their belief in the
efficiency of the free market, affirmed in opposition to the banking
bailout, is not compromised by a willingness to throw trillions in
taxpayer dollars into backing the riskiest of corporate bets. But it
is not possible to feel anything but loathing for those like Lieberman
who vote for every big government program, no matter how wasteful, in
support of big business, but draw the line at a program designed to
cut medical costs for the ordinary citizens they have been sworn to
serve.
Lieberman's threat to thwart a vote on sorely needed health care
legislation, complete with a public option that a majority of
Americans have consistently supported, should spell the end of his
connection with the Democratic caucus. It should also cost him the
committee chairmanship he was granted in order to guarantee the 60
votes needed to prevent a filibuster. But a filibuster, which would
expose Lieberman and the others as irresponsible wreckers of essential
reform, is not the worst outcome. The surrender by the Democratic
leadership to this blackmail by the party's disgraced former vice
presidential candidate would be a blow from which the party would not
deserve to recover.
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Robert Scheer is the editor of Truthdig. rscheer at (no spam) truthdig.com
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The old house on the hill
'He lives in the old house on the hill
this elderly man of dark secrets
haunted by the memories decades ago
which shaped this man throughout his life
The old house on the hill
a call from Hell..
Far from the people, he lives in the past
always alone, alone to the last
a saw, a drill and hammering on nails
the curtain covers the dusty windows
scratching sounds and the sound of knives
being sharpened from time to time
The old house on the hill
the old house on the hill.'
lyrics, Carpathian Forest
Submitted by nedlud on October 28, 2009 - 9:55am.
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Carpathian Forest?!
Holy shit! Awesome.
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"They say those who can't just instruct others/And act like victims or
jilted lovers" -QOTSA
http://thefirstchurchofmutterhals.blogspot.com/
Submitted by Stacie Adams on October 28, 2009 - 2:21pm.
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Joe's literally sleeping with the insurance lobbyists...
And let's not forget Hadasah, she's a big-time insurance and drug
industry lobbyist.
Submitted by sergio on October 28, 2009 - 10:21am.
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Too bad 'e ain't sleeping with the fishes.
Cheers
?
Submitted by dididadadidit on October 28, 2009 - 1:16pm.
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Fuck Lieberman
I hope he dies a slow, painful, and violent death. The idiots in the
Senate are just that. You can nuture and care for a snake all you want
but it will still bite you because it's a snake.
As for health care, lets just call it what it is: a TAX. I just found
out that they decided that they are going to take another $40 per
paycheck from me and have yet to explain why. In 2000 I was paying a
10th of what I am now and had way better coverage.
Now back to this filthy pig and the scumbags in Conn who gave him
another term. FUCK YOU BOTH. I hope a hurricane rips your state to
shreds and that Loserman gets hit by a truck.
Too bad the Unabomber is no longer free and able to send special gifts
to all of the health care CEOs this year.
Submitted by Insidious on October 28, 2009 - 10:38am.
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"The 'scumbags' in Connecticut," who reelected Liebermann
This is political seppuku. Liebermann, like Truman before him, will
not run in 2014, because he knows the numbers won't be there. He is a
traitor to his constituents. What platform is he going to run on? that
he is the one who killed the public option, the one most of the
country is clamoring for?
Submitted by REJames50 on October 28, 2009 - 11:02am.
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LIEberman is loathsome
And he won't need to run again,the insurance companies will have paid
him off nicely enough that he can retire with a legacy of misdeeds .
If the Muffin Man had any testosterone at all,he'd have IMMEDIATELY
stripped that so and so of his committee chairmanship and ALL
Senatorial perks.But no, these goons are up here playing procedural
parliamentary games while people are dying.
Submitted by MizzGrizz on October 28, 2009 - 12:01pm.
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Which
Would have *guaranteed* him voting with the Rs.
As Is ee it they took the chance of getting his vote.
OK they probably failed (depending on what form the final bill tkaes)
but I think it was worth a shot.
Submitted by cewillir on October 28, 2009 - 12:46pm.
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A bad person
Lieberman says health reform "it's going to add terribly to our
national debt." Perhaps if we stop giving his country Israel billions
in support, that money can cover health care for Americans. This man
does not represent Americans!
Submitted by underledge on October 28, 2009 - 12:42pm.
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oh, he represents some...
Turncoat, hypocritical, sanctimonious war freaks.
Submitted by MizzGrizz on October 28, 2009 - 12:46pm.
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Joe Lieberscum
If only Joe Lieberscum could be convinced that the public option would
benefit Israel then he'd be doing cartwheels in support of it.
_______
I've got values but I don't know how or why.
Submitted by metricman on October 28, 2009 - 4:17pm.
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Lieberman in favor of US paying for Israel's health system
Let's see....US foreign aid to the State of Israel is in the tens of
billions of dollars every year. Per capita, that comes to several
thousand dollars for every Israeli man, woman and child. Israel
provides excellent nationalized health care for all its citizens.
So, Lieberman sees no problem with American taxpayers essentially
funding Israel's nationalized health system, but he thinks Americans
shouldn't have the same benefits. WTF?
Submitted by sergio on October 28, 2009 - 5:36pm.
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Dewey wrote:
Quote: Dienazi <die at (no spam) nazi.nazi> wrote in news:die-C74F8E.22414228102009
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Lieberman is a fucking asshole who deserves to be murdered.
You're an idiot.
maybe not murdered, but certainly sent to gitmo for the rest of his
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In article <die-C74F8E.22414228102009 at (no spam) news.individual.net>, Dienazi says...
Quote:
Lieberman is a fucking asshole who deserves to be murdered.
it's those JEWS!!! they control everything!!!
GodBuilt
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" bozak" <*****____bozak1 at (no spam) gmail.com____*****> wrote in news:hccnvh
$qkm$1 at (no spam) news.eternal-september.org:
Quote: Dewey wrote:
Dienazi <die at (no spam) nazi.nazi> wrote in news:die-C74F8E.22414228102009
at (no spam) news.individual.net:
Lieberman is a fucking asshole who deserves to be murdered.
You're an idiot.
maybe not murdered, but certainly sent to gitmo for the rest of his
life for some rest and relaxation...
Now that is something I can agree with.
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"Dienazi" <die at (no spam) nazi.nazi> wrote in message
news:die-C74F8E.22414228102009 at (no spam) news.individual.net...
Quote: Lieberman is a fucking asshole who deserves to be murdered.
One of the best things about being Jewish is that antisemites,
like this cretin "dienazi", are uniformly nitwits, misfucks and
born losers who don't have the nuts to own up to their
own shortcomings and failures so they blame everything
on da Joooooooos. By the way, moron, did you ever
think about what your name means? I guess you have
a death wish.
It's funny, but not surprising, how all the real morons always
turn out to be antisemitic. I can tell even before they show
themselves, e. g. septic, bozak, dienazi, there was a guy
on the baseball newsgroup "Realto Margarino" who was
equally demented and sure enough he eventually started
rantin about da Joooos.
- Gary Rosen |
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TJ Xenos wrote:
Quote: On Oct 30, 12:36 pm, D Goldberg <daagoldb... at (no spam) yahoo.com> wrote:
Nothing for Americans?
Newsflash: Our government already spends TRILLIONS of dollars per year
on welfare for Americans.
Americans spend trillions in taxes so the governement can do so
(distribute welfare, give money to israel, invade sovereign nations,
take your pick). How much is israel paying the US to fund its
programs?
they pay for it in nuclear technology...  |
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Gary Rosen wrote:
Quote: "Dienazi" <die at (no spam) nazi.nazi> wrote in message
news:die-C74F8E.22414228102009 at (no spam) news.individual.net...
Lieberman is a fucking asshole who deserves to be murdered.
One of the best things about being Jewish is that antisemites,
like this cretin "dienazi", are uniformly nitwits, misfucks and
born losers who don't have the nuts to own up to their
own shortcomings and failures so they blame everything
on da Joooooooos. By the way, moron, did you ever
think about what your name means? I guess you have
a death wish.
It's funny, but not surprising, how all the real morons always
turn out to be antisemitic. I can tell even before they show
themselves, e. g. septic, bozak, dienazi, there was a guy
on the baseball newsgroup "Realto Margarino" who was
equally demented and sure enough he eventually started
rantin about da Joooos.
- Gary "the chosen one" Rosen
ahhhhh yes if you say something wrong and the person happens
to be a jew rosen immediately shits his pants...
lol...
somebody should tell rosens this is actually about taking care
of americans... there are plenty of american jews that would
benefit from that as well, but surely that doesnt make sense
to gary, its all about some shitty piece of land that supposedly
has great meaning to it because of religion...
what a mindfucked moronic mark...
fuck all that ignorant book religion bullshit that has morons like
him on a leash...
youre persecuting me because im jewish... lol... uhhhh no its
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TJ Xenos wrote:
Quote: On Oct 30, 12:36 pm, D Goldberg <daagoldb... at (no spam) yahoo.com> wrote:
Nothing for Americans?
Newsflash: Our government already spends TRILLIONS of dollars per year
on welfare for Americans.
Americans spend trillions in taxes so the governement can do so
(distribute welfare, give money to israel, invade sovereign nations,
take your pick). How much is israel paying the US to fund its
programs?
Good luck getting a response on that from Goldfart.
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Gary Rosen wrote:
Quote: "Dienazi" <die at (no spam) nazi.nazi> wrote in message
news:die-C74F8E.22414228102009 at (no spam) news.individual.net...
Lieberman is a fucking asshole who deserves to be murdered.
One of the best things about being Jewish is that antisemites,
like this cretin "dienazi", are uniformly nitwits, misfucks and
born losers who don't have the nuts to own up to their
own shortcomings and failures so they blame everything
on da Joooooooos. By the way, moron, did you ever
think about what your name means? I guess you have
a death wish.
It's funny, but not surprising, how all the real morons always
turn out to be antisemitic. I can tell even before they show
themselves, e. g. septic, bozak, dienazi, there was a guy
on the baseball newsgroup "Realto Margarino" who was
equally demented and sure enough he eventually started
rantin about da Joooos.
Pal, you have a lot to learn about Usenet.
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| Posted: Fri Oct 30, 2009 3:08 pm |
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Chainsaw wrote:
Quote: Gary Rosen wrote:
"Dienazi" <die at (no spam) nazi.nazi> wrote in message
news:die-C74F8E.22414228102009 at (no spam) news.individual.net...
Lieberman is a fucking asshole who deserves to be murdered.
One of the best things about being Jewish is that antisemites,
like this cretin "dienazi", are uniformly nitwits, misfucks and
born losers who don't have the nuts to own up to their
own shortcomings and failures so they blame everything
on da Joooooooos. By the way, moron, did you ever
think about what your name means? I guess you have
a death wish.
It's funny, but not surprising, how all the real morons always
turn out to be antisemitic. I can tell even before they show
themselves, e. g. septic, bozak, dienazi, there was a guy
on the baseball newsgroup "Realto Margarino" who was
equally demented and sure enough he eventually started
rantin about da Joooos.
Pal, you have a lot to learn about Usenet.
learning takes an ability... |
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In article <hcdoq5$1n1$1 at (no spam) news.eternal-september.org>, Gary Rosen says...
Quote:
"Dienazi" <die at (no spam) nazi.nazi> wrote in message
news:die-C74F8E.22414228102009 at (no spam) news.individual.net...
Lieberman is a fucking asshole who deserves to be murdered.
One of the best things about being Jewish is that antisemites,
like this cretin "dienazi", are uniformly nitwits, misfucks and
born losers who don't have the nuts to own up to their
own shortcomings and failures so they blame everything
on da Joooooooos. By the way, moron, did you ever
think about what your name means? I guess you have
a death wish.
It's funny, but not surprising, how all the real morons always
turn out to be antisemitic. I can tell even before they show
themselves, e. g. septic, bozak, dienazi, there was a guy
on the baseball newsgroup "Realto Margarino" who was
equally demented and sure enough he eventually started
rantin about da Joooos.
- Gary Rosen
i am always amazed how anti-Semitic the left tends to be, and they don't really
realize it.
EVERYTHING the left claims it believes in, civil rights, women's rights, gay
rights, elected government, rule of law, the list goes on and on, is embodied in
the state of Israel, and simply does not exist in any way, shape or form with
the Palestinian leadership.
how can anyone support an organization that is as anti-woman, anti-gay, and
anti-human rights as both the Hamas and the Fatah? both of these organizations
are nothing more than a collection of murdering gangsters.
the hatred of Israel is really nothing more than transparent denial of facts,
and anti-Semitism.
GodBuilt
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On Oct 30, 2:16 pm, On The Highways and Bi-Ways God Built
<GodBuilt1... at (no spam) Yahoo.com> wrote:
Quote: In article <hcdoq5$1n... at (no spam) news.eternal-september.org>, Gary Rosen says...
"Dienazi" <d... at (no spam) nazi.nazi> wrote in message
news:die-C74F8E.22414228102009 at (no spam) news.individual.net...
Lieberman is a fucking asshole who deserves to be murdered.
One of the best things about being Jewish is that antisemites,
like this cretin "dienazi", are uniformly nitwits, misfucks and
born losers who don't have the nuts to own up to their
own shortcomings and failures so they blame everything
on da Joooooooos. By the way, moron, did you ever
think about what your name means? I guess you have
a death wish.
It's funny, but not surprising, how all the real morons always
turn out to be antisemitic. I can tell even before they show
themselves, e. g. septic, bozak, dienazi, there was a guy
on the baseball newsgroup "Realto Margarino" who was
equally demented and sure enough he eventually started
rantin about da Joooos.
- Gary Rosen
i am always amazed how anti-Semitic the left tends to be, and they don't really
realize it.
EVERYTHING the left claims it believes in, civil rights, women's rights, gay
rights, elected government, rule of law, the list goes on and on, is embodied in
the state of Israel, and simply does not exist in any way, shape or form with
the Palestinian leadership.
how can anyone support an organization that is as anti-woman, anti-gay, and
anti-human rights as both the Hamas and the Fatah? both of these organizations
are nothing more than a collection of murdering gangsters.
the hatred of Israel is really nothing more than transparent denial of facts,
and anti-Semitism.
GodBuilt
--
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"I am a false prophet and God is a superstition.." "Again!"
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Israel is a reactionary police state, which is as we speak, is
kidnapping and torturing Palestinian children in torture prisons, to
try to force the small children to be spies and informants. Isreal has
created an opened air concentration camp known as Gaza, where the
people are not allowed to enter or leave, and Israel recently attacked
with Naval bombardment, Air Force airel bombing, artilliary strikes,
missile attacks, brutal thug military troop assaults, (who shoots
Palestinian families including toddlers as they stand passively next
to the brutal Zionist enforcers): the use of illegal weapons like Dime
and White Phosphorous in highly packed residential neighborhoods and
many, many more terrible crimes against humanity. A high percentage of
Gaza's population are malnurished. Israel has a wall of hate, known as
the 'separation barried' which is higher and longer than the Berlin
wall was.
Israel is the second worst country in the world. The worst country in
the world, the center of hate and reaction on the planet, is the
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"Chainsaw" <asadachi at (no spam) bakemono.net> wrote in message
news:hchnpa$dnf$2 at (no spam) news.eternal-september.org...
Quote: Gary Rosen wrote:
"Chainsaw" <asadachi at (no spam) bakemono.net> wrote in message
news:hcfki9$ibh$2 at (no spam) news.eternal-september.org...
Gary Rosen wrote:
"Dienazi" <die at (no spam) nazi.nazi> wrote in message
news:die-C74F8E.22414228102009 at (no spam) news.individual.net...
Lieberman is a fucking asshole who deserves to be murdered.
One of the best things about being Jewish is that antisemites,
like this cretin "dienazi", are uniformly nitwits, misfucks and
born losers who don't have the nuts to own up to their
own shortcomings and failures so they blame everything
on da Joooooooos. By the way, moron, did you ever
think about what your name means? I guess you have
a death wish.
It's funny, but not surprising, how all the real morons always
turn out to be antisemitic. I can tell even before they show
themselves, e. g. septic, bozak, dienazi, there was a guy
on the baseball newsgroup "Realto Margarino" who was
equally demented and sure enough he eventually started
rantin about da Joooos.
Pal, you have a lot to learn about Usenet.
Teach me, buddariri.
You'll either learn on your own or retreat with your tail between
your legs. Time will tell.
Oooooooooooooooooooooooooh! Well, I've been on
Usenet for over 20 years and haven't retreated yet, so that's
an awful lot of "time" to "tell".
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Gary Rosen wrote:
Quote: "Chainsaw" <asadachi at (no spam) bakemono.net> wrote in message
news:hchnpa$dnf$2 at (no spam) news.eternal-september.org...
Gary Rosen wrote:
"Chainsaw" <asadachi at (no spam) bakemono.net> wrote in message
news:hcfki9$ibh$2 at (no spam) news.eternal-september.org...
Gary Rosen wrote:
"Dienazi" <die at (no spam) nazi.nazi> wrote in message
news:die-C74F8E.22414228102009 at (no spam) news.individual.net...
Lieberman is a fucking asshole who deserves to be murdered.
One of the best things about being Jewish is that antisemites,
like this cretin "dienazi", are uniformly nitwits, misfucks and
born losers who don't have the nuts to own up to their
own shortcomings and failures so they blame everything
on da Joooooooos. By the way, moron, did you ever
think about what your name means? I guess you have
a death wish.
It's funny, but not surprising, how all the real morons always
turn out to be antisemitic. I can tell even before they show
themselves, e. g. septic, bozak, dienazi, there was a guy
on the baseball newsgroup "Realto Margarino" who was
equally demented and sure enough he eventually started
rantin about da Joooos.
Pal, you have a lot to learn about Usenet.
Teach me, buddariri.
You'll either learn on your own or retreat with your tail between
your legs. Time will tell.
Oooooooooooooooooooooooooh! Well, I've been on
Usenet for over 20 years and haven't retreated yet, so that's
an awful lot of "time" to "tell".
Well there are those who will never learn. As PT Barnum supposedly
said, there's another one born every minute.
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