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| Lew... |
 Posted: Wed Oct 28, 2009 8:52 pm |
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For some reason gloves only last me a year (around 10,000 miles). I
always wear a hole in the left glove, in the palm roughly between my
thumb and index finger. I notice the left grip is worn down too. I
buy good name brand gloves and don't move my hands around much
unless I'm in the twisties. Maybe it's the way I pivot my hand to
grab the clutch. Anybody else have this problem?
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| Tim... |
| Posted: Wed Oct 28, 2009 8:52 pm |
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On Oct 28, 10:52 pm, Lew <no... at (no spam) notmindspring.invalid.com> wrote:
Quote: For some reason gloves only last me a year (around 10,000 miles). I
always wear a hole in the left glove, in the palm roughly between my
thumb and index finger. I notice the left grip is worn down too. I
buy good name brand gloves and don't move my hands around much
unless I'm in the twisties. Maybe it's the way I pivot my hand to
grab the clutch. Anybody else have this problem?
Yep. I figure a year is a good deal for a pair of gloves, and buy a
new pair. |
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| Rob Kleinschmidt... |
| Posted: Thu Oct 29, 2009 4:03 pm |
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On Oct 29, 1:34 pm, Lew <no... at (no spam) notmindspring.invalid.com> wrote:
Quote: On 29 Oct 2009, Rob Kleinschmidt wrote innews:be8cc02b-c311-4c92-9b92-8222b31244c8 at (no spam) i12g2000prg.googlegroups.co
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I tried to notice my hands while riding today. Honda decided to
give my clutch lever an inch longer reach than my brake lever. When
I grab the clutch, I pivot on the webbing of my left hand to reach
it. That's where the friction and wear comes from, and all the padding
is on the palm and fingers, not the web area. My levers aren't
adjustable, but I'll figure something out.
What I was thinking was just rotate the clutch lever on
the bars a little, unless the lever mounts are actually
welded to the bar.
If you also rotated the bars a little so your hands were
higher, I'd guess that might shift some weight off the
webs and to the outside of your hands.
Maybe you could do something with the grip too.
Good luck with it. Like I said, use a magic marker
to show you where things were positioned before you
started moving them. That way, you get some idea
how much you're changing stuff and can put it back
if you made it worse. |
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| Tim... |
| Posted: Thu Oct 29, 2009 4:04 pm |
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On Oct 29, 4:34 pm, Rob Kleinschmidt <Rkleinsch1216... at (no spam) aol.com> wrote:
Quote: On Oct 29, 10:38 am, "tomor... at (no spam) erols.com"
tomorrowaterolsdot... at (no spam) yahoo.com> wrote:
For example, summer gloves are thin. Why? Because your hands get hot
in the summer in thicker gloves. They are thin leather, and typically
have only one layer, maybe two in the palms. They often have holes in
them for breathing. Those holes, treated to perspiration, sun, rain,
wind, twisting, bunching, pulling, and pressure, tend to enlarge at
stress points. Eventually, those strees points lead to failure
points, and tears begin. Tears become holes, and soon the gloves are
worn out.
It's also possible though that they're wearing out a little
prematurely. Only a one year lifetime seems a little short.
I'd suggest looking at the adjustment of the bars and controls.
and also the construction and fit of the gloves.
Even a very minor tweak on the position of a lever can
make huge difference in ease of operating the controls.
Perforated gloves always seem to tear more easily, and
some of the crap sold as motorcycle gear I wouldn't expect
to last a full season. Definitely buy good name brand stuff
No fun at all when the crap gloves you're wearing abrade
away on the pavement.
OTOH, I trade off between lightweight, medium and
winter gloves, so maybe a one year lifetime if they're
worn year round isn't so excessive.
I have ridden about 50 different motorcycles, ranging from clip-on
equipped supersport bikes to full dress Harley baggers to street
roadsters (H'mmm.... have one of each of those now, licensed,
registered, insured, inspected, and ... oh, yeah have ridden each of
them to work at least once this week....) with all kinds of seating
positions, have riiden them on short commutes, long distance rides
(1,542 miles in 23 hours and 55 miles, if memory serves) cross-country
tours, week-end sporting rides in the mountains, in winter, in fall,
in summer, in spring, in the rain, in the sun, even occasionally in
snow, at night, in the morning, alone, with other riders, with a
passenger, without a passenger, with drum brakes, with disk brakes,
with stiff throttles, with light throttles, with one finger front
brakes, with full hand brakes, ranging from a Honda Super 90 to an
MZ125RT to a Harley Street Glide to a Honda PC800, a Ducati 900SS
bevel drive, Norton Commando, Yamaha SR500 thumper. I've put as many
as three or four different handlebars and seats on various bikes,
changed footpegs for rearsets, put highway pegs on one for a 7,600
mile cross country and back tour, and you know what? For 30 years
I've been going through about one pair of gloves a year. Oh, sure,
some gloves last longer. Winter gauntlets tend to last me about 5-7
years, one pair lasted almost a decade. Middleweight gloves last me
about three years. Race gloves last a season, maybe a season and a
half, unless I crash in them. My latest summer gloves were thrown
away about three weeks ago, and were just under a year and a half
old. If memort serves, they cost about $59 new and were
overwhelmingly comfortable. I liked them a lot. I'm not thrilled
that I have to go looking for a replacement pair.
Surprisingly, when I was younger and poorer, I wore lower quality,
cheaper gloves, and now that I'm older, more brittle, heal more
slowly, and can afford better quality gloves, I buy higher quality
gloves. Also surprisingly, I'm capable of figuring out which gloves
are better made, fit me better, and feel better when I'm riding. I
buy those gloves. And they last, if they are summer gloves, about
one year. Maybe I'll get two full seasons out of them, maybe I won't.
I'm so happy that this only happens to Lew and I, and that everyone
else is still wearing that first pair of fur lined J.C. Penny driving
gloves that their 16-year-old buddy loaned them back in '63 when they
first started riding. Just think of all the money that has been
saved! No wonder Held is on the verge of bankruptcy! |
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| Tim... |
| Posted: Thu Oct 29, 2009 4:05 pm |
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On Oct 29, 5:47 pm, Rob Kleinschmidt <Rkleinsch1216... at (no spam) aol.com> wrote:
Quote: On Oct 29, 1:20 pm, Lew <no... at (no spam) notmindspring.invalid.com> wrote:
On 29 Oct 2009, Datesfat Chicks wrote innews:fZCdnVyINZkrS3TXnZ2dnUVZ_tydnZ2d at (no spam) giganews.com
Might I inquire what type of gloves you have?
Last year I wore out some Joe Rockets. This year, it was Olympia Gel
Sport gloves. http://www.compacc.com/p.cfm/c/1001006/p/91
That's kind of surprising. Olympia gloves have always lasted
really well for me.
Probably about 60% of the gloves I've bought over the years have been
Olympia brand. Summerweight models last me about a year, on
average. Nice gloves. |
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| Rob Kleinschmidt... |
| Posted: Thu Oct 29, 2009 4:18 pm |
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On Oct 29, 6:04 pm, Tim <tomorrowerolsdot... at (no spam) yahoo.com> wrote:
Quote: On Oct 29, 4:34 pm, Rob Kleinschmidt <Rkleinsch1216... at (no spam) aol.com> wrote:
It's also possible though that they're wearing out a little
prematurely. Only a one year lifetime seems a little short.
I'd suggest looking at the adjustment of the bars and controls.
and also the construction and fit of the gloves.
Even a very minor tweak on the position of a lever can
make huge difference in ease of operating the controls.
I have ridden about 50 different motorcycles, ranging from clip-on
equipped supersport bikes to full dress Harley baggers to street
roadsters (H'mmm.... have one of each of those now, licensed,
registered, insured, inspected, and ... oh, yeah have ridden each of
them to work at least once this week....) with all kinds of seating
positions, have riiden them on short commutes, long distance rides
(1,542 miles in 23 hours and 55 miles, if memory serves) cross-country
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I'm so happy that this only happens to Lew and I, and that everyone
else is still wearing that first pair of fur lined J.C. Penny driving
gloves that their 16-year-old buddy loaned them back in '63 when they
first started riding. Just think of all the money that has been
saved! No wonder Held is on the verge of bankruptcy!
Well gosh Tim, newby rider that I am, I must be doing
something wrong. My gloves often last me multiple
seasons. Not only that, I've been riding the same bike
for the last 100,000 miles and that's still not worn out
either. I eagerly await your advice on the error of my ways
and how to wear 'em out quicker.
Somebody better quick stop Lew too before he falls for
all of this ergonomics silliness and tries to improve the
layout of his controls. |
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| Tim... |
| Posted: Thu Oct 29, 2009 4:57 pm |
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On Oct 29, 10:18 pm, Rob Kleinschmidt <Rkleinsch1216... at (no spam) aol.com>
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Quote: On Oct 29, 6:04 pm, Tim <tomorrowerolsdot... at (no spam) yahoo.com> wrote:
On Oct 29, 4:34 pm, Rob Kleinschmidt <Rkleinsch1216... at (no spam) aol.com> wrote:
It's also possible though that they're wearing out a little
prematurely. Only a one year lifetime seems a little short.
I'd suggest looking at the adjustment of the bars and controls.
and also the construction and fit of the gloves.
Even a very minor tweak on the position of a lever can
make huge difference in ease of operating the controls.
I have ridden about 50 different motorcycles, ranging from clip-on
equipped supersport bikes to full dress Harley baggers to street
roadsters (H'mmm.... have one of each of those now, licensed,
registered, insured, inspected, and ... oh, yeah have ridden each of
them to work at least once this week....) with all kinds of seating
positions, have riiden them on short commutes, long distance rides
(1,542 miles in 23 hours and 55 miles, if memory serves) cross-country
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I'm so happy that this only happens to Lew and I, and that everyone
else is still wearing that first pair of fur lined J.C. Penny driving
gloves that their 16-year-old buddy loaned them back in '63 when they
first started riding. Just think of all the money that has been
saved! No wonder Held is on the verge of bankruptcy!
Well gosh Tim, newby rider that I am, I must be doing
something wrong. My gloves often last me multiple
seasons. Not only that, I've been riding the same bike
for the last 100,000 miles and that's still not worn out
either. I eagerly await your advice on the error of my ways
and how to wear 'em out quicker.
Somebody better quick stop Lew too before he falls for
all of this ergonomics silliness and tries to improve the
layout of his controls.
Huh.
Rob, what part of "One thing I've learned over the years is that
people are different. One person may have acidic sweat that attacks
gloves and another person may not. One person may operate the
throttle or the front brake lever or the clutch lever in a way that
chafes a glove in just the right way to wear it out in one small,
localized spot, and another may not" made you think that I was
criticizing you or anyone else whose gloves last longer than mine?
I mean, you suggested that I must be doing something wrong; I didn't
suggest that you were. |
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| Rob Kleinschmidt... |
| Posted: Thu Oct 29, 2009 5:25 pm |
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On Oct 29, 6:57 pm, Tim <tomorrowerolsdot... at (no spam) yahoo.com> wrote:
Quote: On Oct 29, 10:18 pm, Rob Kleinschmidt <Rkleinsch1216... at (no spam) aol.com
wrote:
On Oct 29, 6:04 pm, Tim <tomorrowerolsdot... at (no spam) yahoo.com> wrote:
On Oct 29, 4:34 pm, Rob Kleinschmidt <Rkleinsch1216... at (no spam) aol.com> wrote:
It's also possible though that they're wearing out a little
prematurely. Only a one year lifetime seems a little short.
I'd suggest looking at the adjustment of the bars and controls.
and also the construction and fit of the gloves.
Even a very minor tweak on the position of a lever can
make huge difference in ease of operating the controls.
I have ridden about 50 different motorcycles, ranging from clip-on
equipped supersport bikes to full dress Harley baggers to street
roadsters (H'mmm.... have one of each of those now, licensed,
registered, insured, inspected, and ... oh, yeah have ridden each of
them to work at least once this week....) with all kinds of seating
positions, have riiden them on short commutes, long distance rides
(1,542 miles in 23 hours and 55 miles, if memory serves) cross-country
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I'm so happy that this only happens to Lew and I, and that everyone
else is still wearing that first pair of fur lined J.C. Penny driving
gloves that their 16-year-old buddy loaned them back in '63 when they
first started riding. Just think of all the money that has been
saved! No wonder Held is on the verge of bankruptcy!
Well gosh Tim, newby rider that I am, I must be doing
something wrong. My gloves often last me multiple
seasons. Not only that, I've been riding the same bike
for the last 100,000 miles and that's still not worn out
either. I eagerly await your advice on the error of my ways
and how to wear 'em out quicker.
Somebody better quick stop Lew too before he falls for
all of this ergonomics silliness and tries to improve the
layout of his controls.
Huh.
Rob, what part of "One thing I've learned over the years is that
people are different. One person may have acidic sweat that attacks
gloves and another person may not. One person may operate the
throttle or the front brake lever or the clutch lever in a way that
chafes a glove in just the right way to wear it out in one small,
localized spot, and another may not" made you think that I was
criticizing you or anyone else whose gloves last longer than mine?
I mean, you suggested that I must be doing something wrong; I didn't
suggest that you were.
Actually, what I was attempting to suggest was that if Lew
was wearing out gloves that fast, there might be a correctable
problem. As in the part where I wrote:
"It's also possible though that they're wearing out a little
prematurely. Only a one year lifetime seems a little short.
I'd suggest looking at the adjustment of the bars and controls.
and also the construction and fit of the gloves. "
"Even a very minor tweak on the position of a lever can
make huge difference in ease of operating the controls."
In this case, I suspect the ergonomics of his control setup
might stand some improvement, particularly since one glove
was wearing out faster than the other.
Olympia is a manufacturer I've had good experience with
personally Myself, I wouldn't expect to wear out a pair of
Olympia gloves in one year, and sadly if I did, these days
I'd expect my hands would hurt.
Hence my suggestion that there might be something wrong
with the picture that could be improved, and not just normal
wear. Okay ? |
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| Sean_Q_... |
| Posted: Thu Oct 29, 2009 6:53 pm |
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Some totally off-topic musings on a pair of used gloves
Confederate cavalry commander JEB Stuart's gloves are in a museum
somewhere, along with his boots, revolver and hat, etc.
I suppose he used those gloves for a time in the 1860's, but they've
been a museum piece for over a century.
No one wears them now, although I suppose they're still serviceable.
It's as if they've been waiting, quietly and patiently for over 140
years, as ready as they were in the 1860's to be put on and used again
in aid of the Confederacy.
For the vast majority of the time their purpose has been simply
to be seen, by people who want to behold an authentic Civil War
artifact used by a celebrity. Perhaps Stuart wore them on his ride
around the Union army on the Peninsula, or the Battle of Brandy
Station or they were preserved after Yellow Tavern. Gazing on these
gloves, visitors can imagine the thunder of hoofs, gunshots
and rebel yells.
Therefore they served their original intended purpose for only
a tiny fraction of their time span. There's a strange sense of irony
about this.
I wonder what the anonymous and long-forgotten glove-maker would have
thought of what came of his handiwork.
They look well-crafted. I'm sure the CSA's premier cavalry general would
have worn nothing but the best. And yet, no matter how skillfully made,
no matter how ready, willing and able to serve the Southern Cause,
they can't help the Davis regime now.
Even back then they did their best, but weren't enough. That is to say,
I don't believe the Fate of the Confederacy hinged on this one pair
of gloves... but then again who knows? Maybe Stuart got so preoccupied
wringing them out after a sudden late June rain shower that his
mission to support Lee's army in Pennsylvania somehow slipped his mind.
Anyway now they're in a glass case. I've never been to the museum,
but I saw their picture on the Internet. For a brief moment I felt
a curious connection with history through the actual riding gloves
belonging to the last swashbuckling Squire:
"Now each Cavalier that loves honor and right,
Let him follow the feather of Stuart tonight."
Come tighten your girth and slacken your rein;
Come buckle your blanket and holster again;
Try the click of your trigger and balance your blade,
For he must ride sure that goes riding a raid.
This is all that's left of the Confederacy, some gloves in a glass box
and a few other relics? But then, if the South had prevailed,
it's likely that JEB Stuart's gloves would still be in a glass box
in a museum somewhere...
Just some musings.
ps. To Lew: keep your worn-out gloves. You may become as famous
as JEB Stewart, and some museum will put them in a glass case too.
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| Stephen!... |
| Posted: Thu Oct 29, 2009 11:02 pm |
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Lew <notme at (no spam) notmindspring.invalid.com> wrote in
news:Xns9CB2E8D344BABnotmenotmindspringco at (no spam) 69.16.186.50:
Quote: buy good name brand gloves and don't move my hands around much
unless I'm in the twisties. Maybe it's the way I pivot my hand to
grab the clutch. Anybody else have this problem?
Relax. Yer too tense (or is it two tents?)
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| S'mee... |
| Posted: Fri Oct 30, 2009 4:40 pm |
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On Oct 30, 8:17 pm, "Stephen!" <N... at (no spam) spam.com> wrote:
Quote: "tomor... at (no spam) erols.com" <tomorrowaterolsdot... at (no spam) yahoo.com> wrote innews:c7a9df43-4ed7-424a-9b1d-ed1b7f3d56a2 at (no spam) u13g2000vbb.googlegroups.com:
One thing I've learned over the years is that people are different.
One person my have acidic sweat that attacks gloves and another person
may not. One person may operate the throttle or the front brake lever
or the clutch lever in a way that chafes a glove in just the right way
to wear it out in one small, localized spot, and another may not.
CAN'T WE ALL JUST GET ALONG!??!??!??!!
yeah, but wouldn't things get boring as fuck? |
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| Stephen!... |
| Posted: Fri Oct 30, 2009 8:17 pm |
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"tomorrow at (no spam) erols.com" <tomorrowaterolsdotcom at (no spam) yahoo.com> wrote in
news:c7a9df43-4ed7-424a-9b1d-ed1b7f3d56a2 at (no spam) u13g2000vbb.googlegroups.com:
Quote: One thing I've learned over the years is that people are different.
One person my have acidic sweat that attacks gloves and another person
may not. One person may operate the throttle or the front brake lever
or the clutch lever in a way that chafes a glove in just the right way
to wear it out in one small, localized spot, and another may not.
CAN'T WE ALL JUST GET ALONG!??!??!??!!
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| Stephen!... |
| Posted: Mon Nov 02, 2009 12:13 am |
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"S'mee" <stevenkeith2 at (no spam) hotmail.com> wrote in news:92c24e86-01a5-45c3-a363-
b4a5c8347e96 at (no spam) u36g2000prn.googlegroups.com:
Quote: ÿCAN'T WE ALL JUST GET ALONG!??!??!??!!
yeah, but wouldn't things get boring as fuck?
Touche.
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| Stephen!... |
| Posted: Mon Nov 02, 2009 12:14 am |
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"tomorrow at (no spam) erols.com" <tomorrowaterolsdotcom at (no spam) yahoo.com> wrote in
news:2b951d1e-3606-4049-a691-842ef621a05f at (no spam) h2g2000vbd.googlegroups.com:
Quote: ÿCAN'T WE ALL JUST GET ALONG!??!??!??!!
Why would you WANT to get along with a glove destroying acid sweater???
Heh... Hadn't thought of it that way.
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| Rob Kleinschmidt... |
| Posted: Mon Nov 02, 2009 11:32 am |
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On Oct 30, 10:05 am, "tomor... at (no spam) erols.com"
<tomorrowaterolsdot... at (no spam) yahoo.com> wrote:
Quote: Thanks for the clarification and the additional information, Rob.
I've heard good things about the Nikwax, but have not tried it myself
yet. This is the first I've ever heard of Snowseal; but it sounds
like a very good thing for winter gloves.
http://www.casanovasadventures.com/catalog/misc/p2006.htm
Turns out I misremembered both the spelling and
the active ingredient.
It's "Sno-Seal" and it's beeswax based. You apply a
coating, then hit the leather with a little heat to melt the
wax in. Used to use it to try to get leather boots through
a winter of rock salt and slush without destroying them. |
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