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| Musicman59... |
Posted: Wed Oct 28, 2009 6:45 am |
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there are a few threads on several forums about the Lindberg 1/144 USS
Arizona, none of which are positive. People say its junk, they are
confused as to what Lindbergs intentions really are as to whether or
not the kit will ever be released, etc.
Has Lindberg ever responded to such claims made by some, its safe to
say, over zealous modelers? Lindberg is and always been a whipping
boy when it comes to detail and quality.
Just curious if companies ever respond in writing to all of what is
being said about them.
the only recent thing I can recall in terms of a response was when
Trumpeter delayed or pulled their Wildcat release, but am not sure
who or what caused them to act.
Craig |
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| Sir Ridesalot... |
Posted: Wed Oct 28, 2009 9:29 am |
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On Oct 28, 12:45 pm, Musicman59 <cwestbro... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote:
Quote: there are a few threads on several forums about the Lindberg 1/144 USS
Arizona, none of which are positive. People say its junk, they are
confused as to what Lindbergs intentions really are as to whether or
not the kit will ever be released, etc.
Has Lindberg ever responded to such claims made by some, its safe to
say, over zealous modelers? Lindberg is and always been a whipping
boy when it comes to detail and quality.
Just curious if companies ever respond in writing to all of what is
being said about them.
the only recent thing I can recall in terms of a response was when
Trumpeter delayed or pulled their Wildcat release, but am not sure
who or what caused them to act.
Craig
Hi there.
I think that any military Lindberg kit and a positive response is an
oxymoron.
I had a very nice response from Lindberg when I needed some parts for
their 1/32 scale PT-109 kit. However, the only company I have had a
response from to whom I have made suggestions is Masterbox in the
Ukraine. Masterbox is a relatively new styrene figure company that
also offers a few kits in styrene too. These are 1/35 scale military
and civilian kits. Masterbox is currently working on a 1/35 scale C-47
and a 1/35 scale Horsa glider as well as a 1/35 scale Junkers Ju-52.
All these kits will have flight crews and paratroop figures. The C-47
and Horsa glider will both be available as British or U.S. aircraft
with the respective crews and paratroops. So yes, some companies do
respond.
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| Musicman59... |
Posted: Wed Oct 28, 2009 5:47 pm |
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On Oct 28, 7:34 pm, bruc... at (no spam) realtime.net (Bruce Burden) wrote:
Quote: Sir Ridesalot <i_am_cycle_pat... at (no spam) yahoo.ca> wrote:
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: I think that any military Lindberg kit and a positive response is an
: oxymoron.
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Well, Limberger did release that Japanese(?) submarine in
1/72. At least, they claim it is Japanese. The shape is reminiscent
of a Japanese class of sub. but the details, well, not so much.
And, where is the Los Angeles? They still attempting to
excrete it from between the cheeks?
Bruce
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Robert Don Hughes
hey, I have that "japanese" thing you referred to. Liking kits big, I
bought it w/o thinking much (one of my specialties)
how about listing a few things that are obviously wrong with it? For
me its gonna look fine with all the big honkin' models in the
garage....
Craig |
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| Sir Ridesalot... |
Posted: Wed Oct 28, 2009 7:29 pm |
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On Oct 28, 11:47 pm, Musicman59 <cwestbro... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote:
Quote: On Oct 28, 7:34 pm, bruc... at (no spam) realtime.net (Bruce Burden) wrote:
Sir Ridesalot <i_am_cycle_pat... at (no spam) yahoo.ca> wrote:
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: I think that any military Lindberg kit and a positive response is an
: oxymoron.
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Well, Limberger did release that Japanese(?) submarine in
1/72. At least, they claim it is Japanese. The shape is reminiscent
of a Japanese class of sub. but the details, well, not so much.
And, where is the Los Angeles? They still attempting to
excrete it from between the cheeks?
Bruce
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"I like bad!" Bruce Burden Austin, TX.
- Thuganlitha
The Power and the Prophet
Robert Don Hughes
hey, I have that "japanese" thing you referred to. Liking kits big, I
bought it w/o thinking much (one of my specialties)
how about listing a few things that are obviously wrong with it? For
me its gonna look fine with all the big honkin' models in the
garage....
Craig
Hi there.
If that Lindberg Japanese sub kit is anything like their 1/32 scale
PT-109 or their Blue Devil Destroyer or their 1/48 scale Mig-31 kits
it might be much simpler to list what, if anything, is right about it.
I mean let's face it they really bothched the 1/32 scale kit of the
109 by giving it a hull more suited for a 77' Elco boat or even better
a 78' *HIGGINS* boat plus an engine room hatch cover from a *LATE WAR*
103 Class of 80' Elco boat. I do not know of any single Lindberg
military kit that is even reasonably accurate.
Cheers from Peter |
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| Bruce Burden... |
Posted: Wed Oct 28, 2009 8:34 pm |
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Sir Ridesalot <i_am_cycle_pathic at (no spam) yahoo.ca> wrote:
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: I think that any military Lindberg kit and a positive response is an
: oxymoron.
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Well, Limberger did release that Japanese(?) submarine in
1/72. At least, they claim it is Japanese. The shape is reminiscent
of a Japanese class of sub. but the details, well, not so much.
And, where is the Los Angeles? They still attempting to
excrete it from between the cheeks?
Bruce
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- Thuganlitha
The Power and the Prophet
Robert Don Hughes |
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| The Old Man... |
Posted: Thu Oct 29, 2009 5:54 am |
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On Oct 29, 10:03 am, Don Stauffer <stauf... at (no spam) usfamily.net> wrote:
Quote: Sir Ridesalot wrote:
Hi there.
I think that any military Lindberg kit and a positive response is an
oxymoron.
Cheers from Peter
I recently finished the Lindberg Civil War cannon. I thought it was
great. I showed it to a civil war artillery expert yesterday. She
pointed out that the limber seat covered with leather is not correct, it
should have been copper covered. And the hooks for the buckets were
incorrectly placed. To me these are very minor errors. The kit is
generally quite accurate with very good detail.
Lindberg has a long history of producing both wheat and chaff.
Lindberg came out with the Dornier Pfiel, the Heinkel Salamander and
the Messerschmitt Komet years before anyone else bothered. Their kits
have generally good entry-level offerings and a reasonable starting
point for some serious kitbashing.
And who else has produced a He.100D? |
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| Don Stauffer... |
Posted: Thu Oct 29, 2009 8:03 am |
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Sir Ridesalot wrote:
Quote: Hi there.
I think that any military Lindberg kit and a positive response is an
oxymoron.
Cheers from Peter
I recently finished the Lindberg Civil War cannon. I thought it was
great. I showed it to a civil war artillery expert yesterday. She
pointed out that the limber seat covered with leather is not correct, it
should have been copper covered. And the hooks for the buckets were
incorrectly placed. To me these are very minor errors. The kit is
generally quite accurate with very good detail.
Lindberg has a long history of producing both wheat and chaff. |
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| WmB... |
Posted: Thu Oct 29, 2009 3:46 pm |
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"Don Stauffer" <stauffer at (no spam) usfamily.net> wrote in message
news:4ae9a093$0$48226$815e3792 at (no spam) news.qwest.net...
Quote: Sir Ridesalot wrote:
Hi there.
I think that any military Lindberg kit and a positive response is an
oxymoron.
Cheers from Peter
I recently finished the Lindberg Civil War cannon. I thought it was great.
I showed it to a civil war artillery expert yesterday. She pointed out
that the limber seat covered with leather is not correct, it should have
been copper covered. And the hooks for the buckets were incorrectly
placed. To me these are very minor errors. The kit is generally quite
accurate with very good detail.
Lindberg has a long history of producing both wheat and chaff.
I remember a while back when you had a few painting questions on it - which
way did you eventually go and what did she have to say about it?
WmB |
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| Val Kraut... |
Posted: Thu Oct 29, 2009 4:31 pm |
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I have to believe they listen to their marketing folks mainly - hey they are
a profit seeking business..
An example some years back one of the big companies did re-releases - the
ones where the molds were in good shape, they marketed as priemium limited
re-releases for the collector. The others, from the same basic series, where
the molds were damaged - lots of cleanup or warpage, they markets for
youngsters complete with a patch, booklet and membership certificate. When
one of the magazines noted this they threatened to pull their advertizing.
Big and cool subjects seem to trump accuracy and quality. And since a lot of
people build for fun - I know people who love to glue parts together, they
find it relaxing, and wouldn't touch a paint brush, or simply build straight
from the box. Hugh Japanese submarine has appeal.
On the other hand - folks have tried really hard to influence re-releases
and failed. There were multiple attempts via r.m.s to get Revell to reissue
the 1950s space station and XSL-Moon Rocket. Write to the message board,
email revell etc - many participated but it never happened. I just bought
some re-releases from that period and couldn't help but wonder - weren't
these some of the least interesting kits from those sets - but that could
mean the ones whose molds aren't worn and in need of repair,
There have also been some subjects that modelers consistently asked for and
never got - my view here is another subject was available in a museum near
the manufacturer.
Bottom line is - many things drive the hobby - not sure the modeler is one
of the main ones.
Val
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| someone at (no spam) some.domain... |
Posted: Thu Oct 29, 2009 6:25 pm |
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In article <4aea17ac$0$5007$607ed4bc at (no spam) cv.net>, "Val Kraut" <marvalk at (no spam) optonline.net> wrote:
Quote:
I have to believe they listen to their marketing folks mainly - hey they are
a profit seeking business..
An example some years back one of the big companies did re-releases - the
ones where the molds were in good shape, they marketed as priemium limited
re-releases for the collector. The others, from the same basic series, where
the molds were damaged - lots of cleanup or warpage, they markets for
youngsters complete with a patch, booklet and membership certificate. When
one of the magazines noted this they threatened to pull their advertizing.
Big and cool subjects seem to trump accuracy and quality. And since a lot of
people build for fun - I know people who love to glue parts together, they
find it relaxing, and wouldn't touch a paint brush, or simply build straight
from the box. Hugh Japanese submarine has appeal.
On the other hand - folks have tried really hard to influence re-releases
and failed. There were multiple attempts via r.m.s to get Revell to reissue
the 1950s space station and XSL-Moon Rocket. Write to the message board,
email revell etc - many participated but it never happened. I just bought
some re-releases from that period and couldn't help but wonder - weren't
these some of the least interesting kits from those sets - but that could
mean the ones whose molds aren't worn and in need of repair,
There have also been some subjects that modelers consistently asked for and
never got - my view here is another subject was available in a museum near
the manufacturer.
Bottom line is - many things drive the hobby - not sure the modeler is one
of the main ones.
Val
Kraut
some people may dump on lindberg, ignoring the fact they do make a lot of kits
others don't. their jn4 kit is the best around and reasonable.
i like the 1/72 german kits because you can make them as well as your talents
allow. some of them are packed 2 to a box for 10-12 bucks.
if you want to build easy 100 dollar kits, fine. i want to practice my scratch
building on harder kits that don't cost a left nut.
the people at lindberg do listen and respond to emails. so don't kill of
another model company with indifference. |
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| Bruce Burden... |
Posted: Thu Oct 29, 2009 8:34 pm |
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Musicman59 <cwestbrooke at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote:
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: how about listing a few things that are obviously wrong with it?
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http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showt...=983692&page=5
Bruce
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| Val Kraut... |
Posted: Thu Oct 29, 2009 10:08 pm |
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Quote: some people may dump on lindberg, ignoring the fact they do make a lot of
kits
others don't. their jn4 kit is the best around and reasonable.
i like the 1/72 german kits because you can make them as well as your
talents
allow. some of them are packed 2 to a box for 10-12 bucks.
if you want to build easy 100 dollar kits, fine. i want to practice my
scratch
building on harder kits that don't cost a left nut.
the people at lindberg do listen and respond to emails. so don't kill of
another model company with indifference.
I didn't mean this as a shot at Lindberg in particular. In Fact I just
purchased multiple copies of Linberg re-releases that I originally did when
they first came out. Not exactly new high tech - but with a little work
build into a passable result. others in my opinion should not again see the
light of flouresents in the local hobby shop - yet if people enjoy them and
they sell - so why not. My gripe was with how the companies react to the
hardline modelers.
Val Kraut |
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| William Banaszak... |
Posted: Fri Oct 30, 2009 12:12 am |
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The Old Man wrote:
Quote: On Oct 29, 10:03 am, Don Stauffer <stauf... at (no spam) usfamily.net> wrote:
Sir Ridesalot wrote:
Hi there.
I think that any military Lindberg kit and a positive response is an
oxymoron.
Cheers from Peter
I recently finished the Lindberg Civil War cannon. I thought it was
great. I showed it to a civil war artillery expert yesterday. She
pointed out that the limber seat covered with leather is not correct, it
should have been copper covered. And the hooks for the buckets were
incorrectly placed. To me these are very minor errors. The kit is
generally quite accurate with very good detail.
Lindberg has a long history of producing both wheat and chaff.
Lindberg came out with the Dornier Pfiel, the Heinkel Salamander and
the Messerschmitt Komet years before anyone else bothered. Their kits
have generally good entry-level offerings and a reasonable starting
point for some serious kitbashing.
And who else has produced a He.100D?
I thought MPM has done one. Am I in error? As for Lindberg's, I
liked it and have built a few of them over the years.
Bill Banaszak, MFE Sr. |
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| William Banaszak... |
Posted: Fri Oct 30, 2009 12:20 am |
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Val Kraut wrote:
Quote: some people may dump on lindberg, ignoring the fact they do make a lot of
kits
others don't. their jn4 kit is the best around and reasonable.
i like the 1/72 german kits because you can make them as well as your
talents
allow. some of them are packed 2 to a box for 10-12 bucks.
if you want to build easy 100 dollar kits, fine. i want to practice my
scratch
building on harder kits that don't cost a left nut.
the people at lindberg do listen and respond to emails. so don't kill of
another model company with indifference.
I didn't mean this as a shot at Lindberg in particular. In Fact I just
purchased multiple copies of Linberg re-releases that I originally did when
they first came out. Not exactly new high tech - but with a little work
build into a passable result. others in my opinion should not again see the
light of flouresents in the local hobby shop - yet if people enjoy them and
they sell - so why not. My gripe was with how the companies react to the
hardline modelers.
Val Kraut
That's because we're the luatic fringe. We buy models because
that's what we do. We do not represent a mass market.
The same situation applies to Star Trek. When the studio puts out a
film, they really don't care if they don't follow established canon.
It's their product and they'll make it the way they think will sell
tickets and let us Trekkers fret over the non-compliances.
Bill Banaszak, MFE Sr. |
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| The Old Man... |
Posted: Fri Oct 30, 2009 1:30 am |
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On Oct 30, 2:12 am, William Banaszak <vze3z... at (no spam) verizon.net> wrote:
Quote: The Old Man wrote:
On Oct 29, 10:03 am, Don Stauffer <stauf... at (no spam) usfamily.net> wrote:
Sir Ridesalot wrote:
Hi there.
I think that any military Lindberg kit and a positive response is an
oxymoron.
Cheers from Peter
I recently finished the Lindberg Civil War cannon. I thought it was
great. I showed it to a civil war artillery expert yesterday. She
pointed out that the limber seat covered with leather is not correct, it
should have been copper covered. And the hooks for the buckets were
incorrectly placed. To me these are very minor errors. The kit is
generally quite accurate with very good detail.
Lindberg has a long history of producing both wheat and chaff.
Lindberg came out with the Dornier Pfiel, the Heinkel Salamander and
the Messerschmitt Komet years before anyone else bothered. Their kits
have generally good entry-level offerings and a reasonable starting
point for some serious kitbashing.
And who else has produced a He.100D?
I thought MPM has done one. Am I in error? As for Lindberg's, I
liked it and have built a few of them over the years.
Bill Banaszak, MFE Sr.- Hide quoted text -
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If MPM made one, I've never seen it sold locally. I've bashed a number
of the Lindberg 100s, besides the actual test aircraft, a couple of
"front line" fighters (never got that far) and several of the design
prototypes that included a contra-rotating prop and swept-forward
wings, usually done as front liners as well. |
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