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Walter Mitty...
Posted: Tue Oct 27, 2009 8:45 am
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Boxing, more than most sports, like to knock recent heroes and laud old
timers.

Naseem Hamed. A great in his day.

Excitement, good chin (when he went down it was off balance as opposed
to being hurt) and explosive speed and power.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QEbBVgdF8SM

Enjoy!


--
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ddcatdd at (no spam) yahoo.com...
Posted: Tue Oct 27, 2009 8:45 am
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On Oct 27, 1:25 pm, "ddca... at (no spam) yahoo.com" <ddca... at (no spam) yahoo.com> wrote:
Quote:
On Oct 27, 10:45 am, Walter Mitty <mitti... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote:

Boxing, more than most sports, like to knock recent heroes and laud old
timers.

Naseem Hamed. A great in his day.

Excitement, good chin (when he went down it was off balance as opposed
to being hurt) and explosive speed and power.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QEbBVgdF8SM

Enjoy!

--
Rum, Sodomy And The Lash. Join The Royal Navy.

Try the original "Jimmy Carter"
Georgie Araujo**
Phil Kim
Joe Miceli**
Teddy "Red Top" Davis
Danny "Bang-Bang" Womber
Chico Vejar**
The original Golden Boy--Art Aragon
Jorge Fernandez
Joey Giardello**
Cisco Andrade
Gil Cadilli
Italo Scortichini
Tuzo "Kid" Portuguez
Benny Briscoe
Dennis "Denny" Moyer**
Gypsy Joe Harris
Bruno Arcari
Eugene "Cyclone" Hart
"Schoolboy" Bobby Chacon
Wilbert "The Vampire" Johnson
William "Caveman" Lee
Frank "The Animal" Fletcher
The Non-Pariel Jack Dempsey**
Mysterious Billy Smith
Young Stribling
Johnny Bratton
Johnny Saxton

**faves of faves


Others:

Langston (LC) Morgan
Gil Turner
Carl "Bobo" Olson
Ralph "Tiger" Jones
Yama Bahama
Henry Hank
Florentino Fernandez**
Rubin "Hurricane" Carter
Issac 'Ike" Logart
Olando Zulueta
Johnny Gonsalves
Johnny Bizzarro
Joey Giambra
David "Poison" Kotey**

**faves
 
ddcatdd at (no spam) yahoo.com...
Posted: Tue Oct 27, 2009 8:45 am
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On Oct 27, 10:45 am, Walter Mitty <mitti... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote:
Quote:
Boxing, more than most sports, like to knock recent heroes and laud old
timers.

Naseem Hamed. A great in his day.

Excitement, good chin (when he went down it was off balance as opposed
to being hurt) and explosive speed and power.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QEbBVgdF8SM

Enjoy!

--
Rum, Sodomy And The Lash. Join The Royal Navy.


Try the original "Jimmy Carter"
Georgie Araujo**
Phil Kim
Joe Miceli**
Teddy "Red Top" Davis
Danny "Bang-Bang" Womber
Chico Vejar**
The original Golden Boy--Art Aragon
Jorge Fernandez
Joey Giardello**
Cisco Andrade
Gil Cadilli
Italo Scortichini
Tuzo "Kid" Portuguez
Benny Briscoe
Dennis "Denny" Moyer**
Gypsy Joe Harris
Bruno Arcari
Eugene "Cyclone" Hart
"Schoolboy" Bobby Chacon
Wilbert "The Vampire" Johnson
William "Caveman" Lee
Frank "The Animal" Fletcher
The Non-Pariel Jack Dempsey**
Mysterious Billy Smith
Young Stribling
Johnny Bratton
Johnny Saxton



**faves of faves
 
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Posted: Tue Oct 27, 2009 11:35 am
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On Tue, 27 Oct 2009 15:45:31 +0100, Walter Mitty <mitticus at (no spam) gmail.com>
wrote:

Quote:

Boxing, more than most sports, like to knock recent heroes and laud old
timers.

Naseem Hamed. A great in his day.

Excitement, good chin (when he went down it was off balance as opposed
to being hurt) and explosive speed and power.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QEbBVgdF8SM

Enjoy!

So when do you think he'll make his come-back? ;D

DCI
 
ddcatdd at (no spam) yahoo.com...
Posted: Tue Oct 27, 2009 11:36 am
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On Oct 27, 2:16 pm, ne... at (no spam) millions.com wrote:
Quote:
On Tue, 27 Oct 2009 10:36:36 -0700 (PDT), "ddca... at (no spam) yahoo.com"





ddca... at (no spam) yahoo.com> wrote:
On Oct 27, 1:25 pm, "ddca... at (no spam) yahoo.com" <ddca... at (no spam) yahoo.com> wrote:
On Oct 27, 10:45 am, Walter Mitty <mitti... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote:

Boxing, more than most sports, like to knock recent heroes and laud old
timers.

Naseem Hamed. A great in his day.

Excitement, good chin (when he went down it was off balance as opposed
to being hurt) and explosive speed and power.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QEbBVgdF8SM

Enjoy!

--
Rum, Sodomy And The Lash. Join The Royal Navy.

Try the original "Jimmy Carter"
Georgie Araujo**
Phil Kim
Joe Miceli**
Teddy "Red Top" Davis
Danny "Bang-Bang" Womber
Chico Vejar**
The original Golden Boy--Art Aragon
Jorge Fernandez
Joey Giardello**
Cisco Andrade
Gil Cadilli
Italo Scortichini
Tuzo "Kid" Portuguez
Benny Briscoe
Dennis "Denny" Moyer**
Gypsy Joe Harris
Bruno Arcari
Eugene "Cyclone" Hart
"Schoolboy" Bobby Chacon
Wilbert "The Vampire" Johnson
William "Caveman" Lee
Frank "The Animal" Fletcher
The Non-Pariel Jack Dempsey**
Mysterious Billy Smith
Young Stribling
Johnny Bratton
Johnny Saxton

**faves of faves

Others:

Langston (LC) Morgan
Gil Turner
Carl "Bobo" Olson
Ralph "Tiger" Jones
Yama Bahama
Henry Hank
Florentino Fernandez**
Rubin "Hurricane" Carter
Issac 'Ike" Logart
Olando Zulueta
Johnny Gonsalves
Johnny Bizzarro
Joey Giambra
David "Poison" Kotey**

**faves

Upon looking down the list of names from boxing'x past, one popped out
as being one of many in my "favorites" on the list. Robert "Cisco"
Andrade.

I followed his career, after watching him in the amateurs bouts in the
old South Gate (California) Arena in the very early 1950's before he
turned pro. The man was the ultimate with boxing skills, movement,
slippig punches, good hand speed, fair power.

If one were to look at his record, it would seem to be fair to
middlin'. However, Cisco was plagued by brittle bones in both hands.
Because of his superior boxing skills, he was able to pepper through
an opponents defensive moves, dominate with scoring blows fron all
angles, and stay out of harms way. Only two of his losses resulted in
not covering the diatance, one by a bigger and stronger Art "Golden
Boy" Aragon, a natural welterweight with fair good power. Cisco hung
in there with him - actually out smarting him in the erly rounds until
the weight and strength factor kicked in. In his last fight against
Davey more he was 37-years-old, at the very end of his career and
DaveycMoore took him in 7 rounds. At that point, with gnarly and
broken hands, he aid enough.

He then went on to a career as a counselor in the California Youth
Authority institution, Fred C. Nelles, in Whittier. His popularity
provided for his opportunity to instill in the youngsters: discipline,
preparation, pride and playing it straight under trying conditions.

Quite a few of the boxing pundits, among them Jim Murray, Sid Ziff,
felt he would have been a World Champion had it not been for the
brittle hands.

Yo me, he was successful against the greatest of odds.

DCI  - Hide quoted text -

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Great stuff, DCI. Superb. Long live the fabulon:
Cisco Andrade! And how about his win
over the great Battling Torres!! Those
lightweights of the1950s+ were sensational,
the best of the best.

Would pay a pretty penny to obtain the film
of Jimmy Carter vs Georgie Araujo but it's
probably been lost. Every fighter on these
two lists was a cut above altho would enjoy
comparing them to your faves.
 
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Posted: Tue Oct 27, 2009 12:16 pm
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On Tue, 27 Oct 2009 10:36:36 -0700 (PDT), "ddcatdd at (no spam) yahoo.com"
<ddcatdd at (no spam) yahoo.com> wrote:

Quote:
On Oct 27, 1:25 pm, "ddca... at (no spam) yahoo.com" <ddca... at (no spam) yahoo.com> wrote:
On Oct 27, 10:45 am, Walter Mitty <mitti... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote:

Boxing, more than most sports, like to knock recent heroes and laud old
timers.

Naseem Hamed. A great in his day.

Excitement, good chin (when he went down it was off balance as opposed
to being hurt) and explosive speed and power.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QEbBVgdF8SM

Enjoy!

--
Rum, Sodomy And The Lash. Join The Royal Navy.

Try the original "Jimmy Carter"
Georgie Araujo**
Phil Kim
Joe Miceli**
Teddy "Red Top" Davis
Danny "Bang-Bang" Womber
Chico Vejar**
The original Golden Boy--Art Aragon
Jorge Fernandez
Joey Giardello**
Cisco Andrade
Gil Cadilli
Italo Scortichini
Tuzo "Kid" Portuguez
Benny Briscoe
Dennis "Denny" Moyer**
Gypsy Joe Harris
Bruno Arcari
Eugene "Cyclone" Hart
"Schoolboy" Bobby Chacon
Wilbert "The Vampire" Johnson
William "Caveman" Lee
Frank "The Animal" Fletcher
The Non-Pariel Jack Dempsey**
Mysterious Billy Smith
Young Stribling
Johnny Bratton
Johnny Saxton

**faves of faves


Others:

Langston (LC) Morgan
Gil Turner
Carl "Bobo" Olson
Ralph "Tiger" Jones
Yama Bahama
Henry Hank
Florentino Fernandez**
Rubin "Hurricane" Carter
Issac 'Ike" Logart
Olando Zulueta
Johnny Gonsalves
Johnny Bizzarro
Joey Giambra
David "Poison" Kotey**

**faves

Upon looking down the list of names from boxing'x past, one popped out
as being one of many in my "favorites" on the list. Robert "Cisco"
Andrade.

I followed his career, after watching him in the amateurs bouts in the
old South Gate (California) Arena in the very early 1950's before he
turned pro. The man was the ultimate with boxing skills, movement,
slippig punches, good hand speed, fair power.

If one were to look at his record, it would seem to be fair to
middlin'. However, Cisco was plagued by brittle bones in both hands.
Because of his superior boxing skills, he was able to pepper through
an opponents defensive moves, dominate with scoring blows fron all
angles, and stay out of harms way. Only two of his losses resulted in
not covering the diatance, one by a bigger and stronger Art "Golden
Boy" Aragon, a natural welterweight with fair good power. Cisco hung
in there with him - actually out smarting him in the erly rounds until
the weight and strength factor kicked in. In his last fight against
Davey more he was 37-years-old, at the very end of his career and
DaveycMoore took him in 7 rounds. At that point, with gnarly and
broken hands, he aid enough.

He then went on to a career as a counselor in the California Youth
Authority institution, Fred C. Nelles, in Whittier. His popularity
provided for his opportunity to instill in the youngsters: discipline,
preparation, pride and playing it straight under trying conditions.

Quite a few of the boxing pundits, among them Jim Murray, Sid Ziff,
felt he would have been a World Champion had it not been for the
brittle hands.

Yo me, he was successful against the greatest of odds.

DCI
 
Walter Mitty...
Posted: Tue Oct 27, 2009 11:03 pm
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never at (no spam) millions.com writes:

Quote:
On Tue, 27 Oct 2009 15:45:31 +0100, Walter Mitty <mitticus at (no spam) gmail.com
wrote:


Boxing, more than most sports, like to knock recent heroes and laud old
timers.

Naseem Hamed. A great in his day.

Excitement, good chin (when he went down it was off balance as opposed
to being hurt) and explosive speed and power.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QEbBVgdF8SM

Enjoy!

So when do you think he'll make his come-back? ;D

DCI

It's funny how history can be re-written. In his hay day I recognised
his "failings" for what they are. People that knew jack about boxing
talked about his "glass jaw". Anyone that saw how he fought and how he
used his balance knows that he was susceptible getting a counter punch
when leaning back - and yes he went down because his balance was so on
the edge. Not once did he go down and was hurt. His record shows that
each time he got back up and knocked them out. But getting back to
rewriting history : Barrera beat him fair and square but it was not the
"humiliation" that many anti Hamed pundits would have you believe. He
came back won a fight and called it a day.

He re-ignited the British boxing scene.

Watch him against Kelly and marvel at his almost impossible reflexes to
move his head back only 1cm more than Kelly could reach.

Possibly too much money too quickly but what a talent.

And what a punch.

--
Rum, Sodomy And The Lash. Join The Royal Navy.
 
D. Flynn...
Posted: Wed Oct 28, 2009 6:07 am
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On Oct 28, 1:03 am, Walter Mitty <mitti... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote:
Quote:
ne... at (no spam) millions.com writes:
On Tue, 27 Oct 2009 15:45:31 +0100, Walter Mitty <mitti... at (no spam) gmail.com
wrote:

Boxing, more than most sports, like to knock recent heroes and laud old
timers.

Naseem Hamed. A great in his day.

Excitement, good chin (when he went down it was off balance as opposed
to being hurt) and explosive speed and power.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QEbBVgdF8SM

Enjoy!

So when do you think he'll make his come-back? ;D

DCI

It's funny how history can be re-written. In his hay day I recognised
his "failings" for what they are. People that knew jack about boxing
talked about his "glass jaw". Anyone that saw how he fought and how he
used his balance knows that he was susceptible getting a counter punch
when leaning back - and yes he went down because his balance was so on
the edge. Not once did he go down and was hurt. His record shows that
each time he got back up and knocked them out. But getting back to
rewriting history : Barrera beat him fair and square but it was not the
"humiliation" that many anti Hamed pundits would have you believe.  He
came back won a fight and called it a day.

He re-ignited the British boxing scene.

Watch him against Kelly and marvel at his almost impossible reflexes to
move his head back only 1cm more than Kelly could reach.

Possibly too much money too quickly but what a talent.

And what a punch.

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Hamed was a fun fighter to watch who definitely injected much
excitement into the sport. He was also a polarizing figure whom you
either loved or hated, but that only made his bouts more interesting.

BTW I posted an article here last month in which he stated he retired
due to brittle hands.
 
Mr.Will...
Posted: Sat Oct 31, 2009 7:30 am
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"Walter Mitty" <mitticus at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote in message
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never at (no spam) millions.com writes:

On Tue, 27 Oct 2009 15:45:31 +0100, Walter Mitty <mitticus at (no spam) gmail.com
wrote:


Boxing, more than most sports, like to knock recent heroes and laud old
timers.

Naseem Hamed. A great in his day.

Excitement, good chin (when he went down it was off balance as opposed
to being hurt) and explosive speed and power.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QEbBVgdF8SM

Enjoy!

So when do you think he'll make his come-back? ;D

DCI

It's funny how history can be re-written. In his hay day I recognised
his "failings" for what they are. People that knew jack about boxing
talked about his "glass jaw". Anyone that saw how he fought and how he
used his balance knows that he was susceptible getting a counter punch
when leaning back - and yes he went down because his balance was so on
the edge. Not once did he go down and was hurt. His record shows that
each time he got back up and knocked them out. But getting back to
rewriting history : Barrera beat him fair and square but it was not the
"humiliation" that many anti Hamed pundits would have you believe. He
came back won a fight and called it a day.

He re-ignited the British boxing scene.

Watch him against Kelly and marvel at his almost impossible reflexes to
move his head back only 1cm more than Kelly could reach.

Possibly too much money too quickly but what a talent.

I always maintain Hamed could have been one of those "greats" had he wanted
to.
I think the most impressive Ive seen was him fighting Belcastro for the Euro
title.
Hamed has only had a handful of bouts at the time and took on a very
seasoned Euro champ, floored him pretty much instantly and did as he
pleased. What was impressive was how elusive he was.

I think when Hamed started to decide he was a power puncher and moved to the
USA he stopped the work on being elusive. It became about the KO. Its one
thing to get KOs as a matter of your style, another to go looking for them.
I think he started taking shots - but he was winning and able to KO folk so
nobody minded.

I think if you were to watch his fights back to back you will see him
slowing, looking less in shape, throwing less punches per fight and becoming
less elusive - at the point he fought Barerra, his repetoire consisted soley
of a silly uppercut that was telegraphed way in advance!

Mr.Will
 
 
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