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TB...
Posted: Mon Oct 26, 2009 12:50 pm
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Its my understanding that Muslims must pray towards Mecca 5 times a
day. If a Muslim is in another solar system, or even in another
galaxy (Pegasus), or on the Ancient ship Destiny (as in the Stargate
Universe series) how can he know in which way to bow?
 
Seth...
Posted: Mon Oct 26, 2009 4:55 pm
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"TB" <tsbrueni at (no spam) dcn.davis.ca.us> wrote in message
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Quote:
Its my understanding that Muslims must pray towards Mecca 5 times a
day. If a Muslim is in another solar system, or even in another
galaxy (Pegasus), or on the Ancient ship Destiny (as in the Stargate
Universe series) how can he know in which way to bow?


Towards the Stargate
 
Jette Goldie...
Posted: Mon Oct 26, 2009 5:03 pm
Guest
TB wrote:
Quote:
Its my understanding that Muslims must pray towards Mecca 5 times a
day. If a Muslim is in another solar system, or even in another
galaxy (Pegasus), or on the Ancient ship Destiny (as in the Stargate
Universe series) how can he know in which way to bow?


Probably a general "what direction is Earth?" program will be enough.

--
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Anthony Buckland...
Posted: Mon Oct 26, 2009 5:37 pm
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"Jette Goldie" <jgoldie247 at (no spam) btinternet.com> wrote in message
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Quote:
TB wrote:
Its my understanding that Muslims must pray towards Mecca 5 times a
day. If a Muslim is in another solar system, or even in another
galaxy (Pegasus), or on the Ancient ship Destiny (as in the Stargate
Universe series) how can he know in which way to bow?


Probably a general "what direction is Earth?" program will be enough.
...

And from another galaxy, praying towards the Milky Way
galaxy would probably be sufficient. Assuming you could
_find_ the Milky Way galaxy. In the really unlikely event
that you could identify our star from that distance, your
observations of its position would be millions to billions of
years out of date due to that pesky speed of light thing.
And lining up your body other than towards the galaxy as
a whole would be a pointless exercise in precision.

We've already had at least one Muslim in orbit on a Shuttle,
IIRC. How they settled on a direction five times a day while
orbiting the planet every hour and a half with the cargo bay
pointing down should be worth a paper in a technical journal.

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Took a minute off there to research. Go read about
"Sultan bin Salman bin Abdulaziz Al Saud".
 
nemo...
Posted: Mon Oct 26, 2009 9:48 pm
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"TB" <tsbrueni at (no spam) dcn.davis.ca.us> wrote in message
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Quote:
Its my understanding that Muslims must pray towards Mecca 5 times a
day. If a Muslim is in another solar system, or even in another
galaxy (Pegasus), or on the Ancient ship Destiny (as in the Stargate
Universe series) how can he know in which way to bow?

Muslims knew a humongous amount about astronomy and navigation while we were
still running around arguing about were the stars stuck onto the inside of a
huge glass globe with the Earth at the centre!
 
jack...
Posted: Tue Oct 27, 2009 4:30 am
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On Oct 26, 7:03 pm, Jette Goldie <jgoldie... at (no spam) btinternet.com> wrote:
Quote:
TB wrote:
Its my understanding that Muslims must pray towards Mecca 5 times a
day.  If a Muslim is in another solar system, or even in another
galaxy (Pegasus), or on the Ancient ship Destiny (as in the Stargate
Universe series) how can he know in which way to bow?

Probably a general "what direction is Earth?" program will be enough.

--
Jette Goldie
jette.gol... at (no spam) gmail.comhttp://www.flickr.com/photos/wolfette/http://www.jette.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/http://wolfette.livejournal.com/
("reply to" is spamblocked - use the email addy in sig)



This is not a hypothetical problem of the future. Right here on Earth
now similar questions arise from any religion that is somehow tied in
with geographical/astronomical observations. The large religions
developed in semi-tropical regions of the world where daylight, for
example, is more evenly distributed throughout the year than on the
rest of the planet. Or they are tied to particular spots on the
Earth. For example, with religions which use sunrises and sunsets as
markers for holy days, what do you do if you find yourself above the
Arctic or below the Antarctic Circles in the middle of summers and
winters? From what I understand religious leaders generally just
require observers to make their best effort to accommodate. And this
is the same for times in general. Given from when any one "day"
starts on the Date Line to when it finally ends on the Date Line you
have a "day" of forty-eight hours. Which means you cannot just go by
your own time zone in observing religious holidays if you want to
contact people who live elsewhere on the Earth during that particular
holi"day."

I think a previous poster was right. You decide on a direction that
is Mecca-ward on the Destiny and stick to it. Whether or not a
material object such as the Stargate would be appropriate I don't know.
 
TB...
Posted: Tue Oct 27, 2009 11:20 am
Guest
On Oct 26, 4:37 pm, "Anthony Buckland"
<anthonybucklandnos... at (no spam) telus.net> wrote:
Quote:
"Jette Goldie" <jgoldie... at (no spam) btinternet.com> wrote in message

news:hc59su$6f8$1 at (no spam) news.eternal-september.org...

TB wrote:
Its my understanding that Muslims must pray towards Mecca 5 times a
day. If a Muslim is in another solar system, or even in another
galaxy (Pegasus), or on the Ancient ship Destiny (as in the Stargate
Universe series) how can he know in which way to bow?

Probably a general "what direction is Earth?" program will be enough.
...

And from another galaxy, praying towards the Milky Way
galaxy would probably be sufficient. Assuming you could
_find_ the Milky Way galaxy. In the really unlikely event
that you could identify our star from that distance, your
observations of its position would be millions to billions of
years out of date due to that pesky speed of light thing.
And lining up your body other than towards the galaxy as
a whole would be a pointless exercise in precision.

We've already had at least one Muslim in orbit on a Shuttle,
IIRC. How they settled on a direction five times a day while
orbiting the planet every hour and a half with the cargo bay
pointing down should be worth a paper in a technical journal.

Another issue for off world Muslims: How to decide when to celebrate
Ramadan!
 
CF...
Posted: Tue Oct 27, 2009 1:02 pm
Guest
Jette Goldie wrote:

Quote:
TB wrote:
Its my understanding that Muslims must pray towards Mecca 5 times a
day. If a Muslim is in another solar system, or even in another
galaxy (Pegasus), or on the Ancient ship Destiny (as in the Stargate
Universe series) how can he know in which way to bow?


Probably a general "what direction is Earth?" program will be enough.
The problem is, they don't know which way earth is, isn't it? They are

speeding out of the known universe. What happens when they come to the
"end"?
Registered Linux User #498474
 
CF...
Posted: Tue Oct 27, 2009 1:08 pm
Guest
Anthony Buckland wrote:


Quote:
We've already had at least one Muslim in orbit on a Shuttle,
IIRC. How they settled on a direction five times a day while
orbiting the planet every hour and a half with the cargo bay
pointing down should be worth a paper in a technical journal.
Just shows the stupidity. The guy is orbiting the earth in a space station,

while most of his brethren live in the 7th century!

Registered Linux User #498474
 
Asher_N...
Posted: Tue Oct 27, 2009 4:22 pm
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jack <jrs9 at (no spam) columbia.edu> wrote in
news:da4dba90-a205-41cb-80c1-495680d2d756 at (no spam) j4g2000yqe.googlegroups.com:

Quote:
On Oct 26, 7:03 pm, Jette Goldie <jgoldie... at (no spam) btinternet.com> wrote:
TB wrote:
Its my understanding that Muslims must pray towards Mecca 5 times a
day.  If a Muslim is in another solar system, or even in another
galaxy (Pegasus), or on the Ancient ship Destiny (as in the
Stargate Universe series) how can he know in which way to bow?

Probably a general "what direction is Earth?" program will be enough.

--
Jette Goldie
jette.gol... at (no spam) gmail.comhttp://www.flickr.com/photos/wolfette/http://www
.je
tte.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/http://wolfette.livejournal.com/
("reply to" is spamblocked - use the email addy in sig)



This is not a hypothetical problem of the future. Right here on Earth
now similar questions arise from any religion that is somehow tied in
with geographical/astronomical observations. The large religions
developed in semi-tropical regions of the world where daylight, for
example, is more evenly distributed throughout the year than on the
rest of the planet. Or they are tied to particular spots on the
Earth. For example, with religions which use sunrises and sunsets as
markers for holy days, what do you do if you find yourself above the
Arctic or below the Antarctic Circles in the middle of summers and
winters? From what I understand religious leaders generally just
require observers to make their best effort to accommodate. And this
is the same for times in general. Given from when any one "day"
starts on the Date Line to when it finally ends on the Date Line you
have a "day" of forty-eight hours. Which means you cannot just go by
your own time zone in observing religious holidays if you want to
contact people who live elsewhere on the Earth during that particular
holi"day."

I think a previous poster was right. You decide on a direction that
is Mecca-ward on the Destiny and stick to it. Whether or not a
material object such as the Stargate would be appropriate I don't
know.

In the case of Jews. if there is no real surise-sunset cycle, Jerusalem
time is observed.
 
TB...
Posted: Tue Oct 27, 2009 5:03 pm
Guest
On Oct 27, 4:08 pm, "David V. Loewe, Jr" <davelo... at (no spam) charter.net>
wrote:
Quote:
On Tue, 27 Oct 2009 20:16:23 +0000 (UTC), Gisele



ilove... at (no spam) nospamlycos.com> wrote:
CF <C... at (no spam) example.invalid> wrote:
whodunit wrote:
TB wrote:
Its my understanding that Muslims must pray towards Mecca 5 times a
day. If a Muslim is in another solar system, or even in another
galaxy (Pegasus), or on the Ancient ship Destiny (as in the Stargate
Universe series) how can he know in which way to bow?

I imagine somewhere that Mohammed forbids followers from leaving the
planet, unless they're flying on a magic horse named Barack.

Being a secular humanist, what does that mean? Maybe a horse named
Christopher Hitchens?

Lol... Whodunit always has to find a way to attack Obama....how
pitiful....<g

Besides, everyone knows that President Obama rides a magic unicorn. It
would, therefore, be hard for him to be a horse.

I would like to see Obama ride a Llama.
 
TB...
Posted: Wed Oct 28, 2009 1:58 am
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On Oct 27, 9:00 pm, Anim8rFSK <ANIM8R... at (no spam) cox.net> wrote:
Quote:
In article <hc7tfd$e3... at (no spam) snarked.org>,
"D. Stussy" <spam+newsgro... at (no spam) bde-arc.ampr.org> wrote:



"TB" <tsbru... at (no spam) dcn.davis.ca.us> wrote in message
news:55a55267-8b0e-4383-861c-46f19e36cc88 at (no spam) y32g2000prd.googlegroups.com...
On Oct 27, 1:04 pm, "D. Stussy" <spam+newsgro... at (no spam) bde-arc.ampr.org
wrote:
"Anthony Buckland" <anthonybucklandnos... at (no spam) telus.net> wrote in message

news:AO6dnb1nqbdFr3vXnZ2dnUVZ_gadnZ2d at (no spam) giganews.com...

"Jette Goldie" <jgoldie... at (no spam) btinternet.com> wrote in message
news:hc59su$6f8$1 at (no spam) news.eternal-september.org...
TB wrote:
Its my understanding that Muslims must pray towards Mecca 5 times
a
day. If a Muslim is in another solar system, or even in another
galaxy (Pegasus), or on the Ancient ship Destiny (as in the
Stargate
Universe series) how can he know in which way to bow?

Probably a general "what direction is Earth?" program will be
enough.
...

And from another galaxy, praying towards the Milky Way
galaxy would probably be sufficient. Assuming you could
_find_ the Milky Way galaxy. In the really unlikely event
that you could identify our star from that distance, your
observations of its position would be millions to billions of
years out of date due to that pesky speed of light thing.
And lining up your body other than towards the galaxy as
a whole would be a pointless exercise in precision.

Why would that be difficult? Although Destiny has not travelled in a
straight line, the course back to Earth is generally a line to the rear
of
the ship.

But Destiny keeps dropping out of FTL, and then jumping back into FTL
to travel to its next assigned solar system.

How is that relevant? We're talking about an intergalactic scale (several
million light years), so a few light years here and there aren't going to
make a significant difference. Our nearest neighboring galaxy, Andromeda,

Well, nearest spiral anyway.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_nearest_galaxies

is 200M LY's away, and yet the chart from episode 1 indicates they're about
30 galaxies away. Remember that Destiny is traveling outward, NOT in a
circle (or sphere) around the Milky Way.

Still, within a given galaxy, you'd think they'd make a right angle turn
every time the went back into FTL.

I had thought that Andromeda was about 2 million lights, and Pegasus
about 11 million lights.
 
nemo...
Posted: Wed Oct 28, 2009 8:26 am
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"TB" <tsbrueni at (no spam) dcn.davis.ca.us> wrote in message
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Quote:
On Oct 26, 4:37 pm, "Anthony Buckland"
anthonybucklandnos... at (no spam) telus.net> wrote:
"Jette Goldie" <jgoldie... at (no spam) btinternet.com> wrote in message

news:hc59su$6f8$1 at (no spam) news.eternal-september.org...

TB wrote:
Its my understanding that Muslims must pray towards Mecca 5 times a
day. If a Muslim is in another solar system, or even in another
galaxy (Pegasus), or on the Ancient ship Destiny (as in the Stargate
Universe series) how can he know in which way to bow?

Probably a general "what direction is Earth?" program will be enough.
...

And from another galaxy, praying towards the Milky Way
galaxy would probably be sufficient. Assuming you could
_find_ the Milky Way galaxy. In the really unlikely event
that you could identify our star from that distance, your
observations of its position would be millions to billions of
years out of date due to that pesky speed of light thing.
And lining up your body other than towards the galaxy as
a whole would be a pointless exercise in precision.

We've already had at least one Muslim in orbit on a Shuttle,
IIRC. How they settled on a direction five times a day while
orbiting the planet every hour and a half with the cargo bay
pointing down should be worth a paper in a technical journal.

Another issue for off world Muslims: How to decide when to celebrate
Ramadan!

And how to remember not to crash and bang about in the kitchen right through
the night getting food ready for a large hungry family with no consideration
for the poor sods in the adjacent flats!!!

I squeak from experience! Mine opstairsakers are Moslems.
 
nemo...
Posted: Wed Oct 28, 2009 8:30 am
Guest
"TB" <tsbrueni at (no spam) dcn.davis.ca.us> wrote in message
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Quote:
On Oct 27, 4:08 pm, "David V. Loewe, Jr" <davelo... at (no spam) charter.net
wrote:
On Tue, 27 Oct 2009 20:16:23 +0000 (UTC), Gisele



ilove... at (no spam) nospamlycos.com> wrote:
CF <C... at (no spam) example.invalid> wrote:
whodunit wrote:
TB wrote:
Its my understanding that Muslims must pray towards Mecca 5 times a
day. If a Muslim is in another solar system, or even in another
galaxy (Pegasus), or on the Ancient ship Destiny (as in the Stargate
Universe series) how can he know in which way to bow?

I imagine somewhere that Mohammed forbids followers from leaving the
planet, unless they're flying on a magic horse named Barack.

Being a secular humanist, what does that mean? Maybe a horse named
Christopher Hitchens?

Lol... Whodunit always has to find a way to attack Obama....how
pitiful....<g

Besides, everyone knows that President Obama rides a magic unicorn. It
would, therefore, be hard for him to be a horse.

I would like to see Obama ride a Llama.

In his pyjamas?

Mind you - he'd need huge pyjamas to be able to ride a whole llama around
inside em!
 
nemo...
Posted: Wed Oct 28, 2009 8:34 am
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"TB" <tsbrueni at (no spam) dcn.davis.ca.us> wrote in message
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Quote:
On Oct 27, 9:00 pm, Anim8rFSK <ANIM8R... at (no spam) cox.net> wrote:
In article <hc7tfd$e3... at (no spam) snarked.org>,
"D. Stussy" <spam+newsgro... at (no spam) bde-arc.ampr.org> wrote:



"TB" <tsbru... at (no spam) dcn.davis.ca.us> wrote in message
news:55a55267-8b0e-4383-861c-46f19e36cc88 at (no spam) y32g2000prd.googlegroups.com...
On Oct 27, 1:04 pm, "D. Stussy" <spam+newsgro... at (no spam) bde-arc.ampr.org
wrote:
"Anthony Buckland" <anthonybucklandnos... at (no spam) telus.net> wrote in
message

news:AO6dnb1nqbdFr3vXnZ2dnUVZ_gadnZ2d at (no spam) giganews.com...

"Jette Goldie" <jgoldie... at (no spam) btinternet.com> wrote in message
news:hc59su$6f8$1 at (no spam) news.eternal-september.org...
TB wrote:
Its my understanding that Muslims must pray towards Mecca 5
times
a
day. If a Muslim is in another solar system, or even in
another
galaxy (Pegasus), or on the Ancient ship Destiny (as in the
Stargate
Universe series) how can he know in which way to bow?

Probably a general "what direction is Earth?" program will be
enough.
...

And from another galaxy, praying towards the Milky Way
galaxy would probably be sufficient. Assuming you could
_find_ the Milky Way galaxy. In the really unlikely event
that you could identify our star from that distance, your
observations of its position would be millions to billions of
years out of date due to that pesky speed of light thing.
And lining up your body other than towards the galaxy as
a whole would be a pointless exercise in precision.

Why would that be difficult? Although Destiny has not travelled in
a
straight line, the course back to Earth is generally a line to the
rear
of
the ship.

But Destiny keeps dropping out of FTL, and then jumping back into FTL
to travel to its next assigned solar system.

How is that relevant? We're talking about an intergalactic scale
(several
million light years), so a few light years here and there aren't going
to
make a significant difference. Our nearest neighboring galaxy,
Andromeda,

Well, nearest spiral
anyway.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_nearest_galaxies

is 200M LY's away, and yet the chart from episode 1 indicates they're
about
30 galaxies away. Remember that Destiny is traveling outward, NOT in a
circle (or sphere) around the Milky Way.

Still, within a given galaxy, you'd think they'd make a right angle turn
every time the went back into FTL.

I had thought that Andromeda was about 2 million lights, and Pegasus
about 11 million lights.

How many candle-power is that?!

The way everything's getting abbreviated these days, in another twenty years
or so we'll be back to cave-man times and talking in short grunts!

And their officers won't be much taller either!
 
 
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