In article <8jbge55di5g877tkv0katcqvi5p5ten... at (no spam) 4ax.com>,
removeem... at (no spam) rejectswsportsdot.org says...





On Wed, 28 Oct 2009 05:46:57 -0500, thunder <thunderTAKE... at (no spam) gti.net
wrote:

On Tue, 27 Oct 2009 09:38:30 -0700, JustWaitAFrekinMinute! wrote:

Personally I believe it. If they were really on their laptops as they
said they were, they would have heard all of the bells and whistles
that
were going off in the cockpit. Either way, the laptop story is pretty
easy to confirm by any low level computer hack...

Nothing for nothing, but whatever they were doing, sleeping, arguing,
downloading porn, they weren't paying attention to flying the plane,
which was their job. I did say was. Both pilots now have their licenses
revoked.

Not trying to be a devil's advocate here, but nowadays, flying a
commercial airplane is the single most boring profession there is.

Last year, I flew from TF Green to Fort Collins, CO and back on a
Gulfstream G-5 courtesy of NASA and NOAA. On the return trip, and
being a private pilot, I asked and recieved, permission to enter the
cockpit duirng the flight home.

It's all fly-by-wire and computer controlled. The pilots just sit
there and do much of nothing but look around and talk. The pilot
explained that if they had to, they could literally program the plane
to take off, reach altitude, cruise and land without having a single
hand on the controls at any time. The only reason they are in the
cockpit in the first place is if something goes wrong and human
intervention is needed.

These planes are so automated, there was a proposal a few years ago to
limit flight crews to one - a pilot who was only there as a
contingency plan. When you think about it, Predators are flown from a
base in Kansas I believe doing missions in Afghanistan - how much of a
stretch would it be to do the same for commercial airlines? (another
discussion I would think)

So I can understand how it happened.

If it's all programmed in, how come they went almost two hours (missing
the decent and the landing) without landing? Everyone says oh, they went
past the airport. Nobody is noting that they should have been on a
decent miles before the airport. As a flying consumer, I want to know
what happened up there that they didn't hear the bells and whistles, and
the tower for almost two frekin' hours...

On Wed, 28 Oct 2009 06:13:22 -0700 (PDT), Loogypicker





loogypic... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote:
On Oct 28, 8:36 am, Tosk <justwaitafrekinmin... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote:
In article <8jbge55di5g877tkv0katcqvi5p5ten... at (no spam) 4ax.com>,
removeem... at (no spam) rejectswsportsdot.org says...

On Wed, 28 Oct 2009 05:46:57 -0500, thunder <thunderTAKE... at (no spam) gti.net
wrote:

On Tue, 27 Oct 2009 09:38:30 -0700, JustWaitAFrekinMinute! wrote:

Personally I believe it. If they were really on their laptops as
they
said they were, they would have heard all of the bells and
whistles that
were going off in the cockpit. Either way, the laptop story is
pretty
easy to confirm by any low level computer hack...

Nothing for nothing, but whatever they were doing, sleeping,
arguing,
downloading porn, they weren't paying attention to flying the plane,
which was their job. I did say was. Both pilots now have their
licenses
revoked.

Not trying to be a devil's advocate here, but nowadays, flying a
commercial airplane is the single most boring profession there is.

Last year, I flew from TF Green to Fort Collins, CO and back on a
Gulfstream G-5 courtesy of NASA and NOAA. On the return trip, and
being a private pilot, I asked and recieved, permission to enter the
cockpit duirng the flight home.

It's all fly-by-wire and computer controlled. The pilots just sit
there and do much of nothing but look around and talk. The pilot
explained that if they had to, they could literally program the plane
to take off, reach altitude, cruise and land without having a single
hand on the controls at any time. The only reason they are in the
cockpit in the first place is if something goes wrong and human
intervention is needed.

These planes are so automated, there was a proposal a few years ago
to
limit flight crews to one - a pilot who was only there as a
contingency plan. When you think about it, Predators are flown from a
base in Kansas I believe doing missions in Afghanistan - how much of
a
stretch would it be to do the same for commercial airlines? (another
discussion I would think)

So I can understand how it happened.

If it's all programmed in, how come they went almost two hours (missing
the decent and the landing) without landing? Everyone says oh, they
went
past the airport. Nobody is noting that they should have been on a
decent miles before the airport. As a flying consumer, I want to know
what happened up there that they didn't hear the bells and whistles,
and
the tower for almost two frekin' hours...- Hide quoted text -

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Actually, it's not all programmed in.

Not all that's true. But a large part of the actual flight at
altitude is programmed in. That thing could have kept flying forever
in the same direction if it had fuel.

What I don't understand is how they missed the calls and various bells
and whistles. Seems to me they might have had something turned down
or off.- Hide quoted text -

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