Bernstein's Shostokovich 7 withe the CSO is the one I keep returning
to. The closing moments in particular are unsurpassed for me. I'd love
to hear the original radio broadcast, if there in fact was one, or a
private recording perhaps, Can anyone confirm if in fact it was done
at any time in front of an audience? The audience response must have
been tremendous...

Eddie

Bernstein's Shostokovich 7 withe the CSO is the one I keep returning
to. The closing moments in particular are unsurpassed for me. I'd love
to hear the original radio broadcast, if there in fact was one, or a
private recording perhaps, Can anyone confirm if in fact it was done
at any time in front of an audience? The audience response must have
been tremendous...

Eddie

It was indeed done before an audience, several times, as usual for
the CSO series. There was a subsequent broadcast on WFMT, syndicated
by them as well. That would have been edited from the various
performances and rehearsals by Norman Pellegrini. The issued recording
on DG, made at the live performances, was a different production from
the broadcast. Someone, somewhere, probably has a recording of the
WFMT broadcast.

� It was indeed done before an audience, several times, as usual for
the �CSO series. There was a subsequent broadcast on WFMT, syndicated
by them as well. That would have been edited from the various
performances and rehearsals by Norman Pellegrini. The issued recording
on DG, made at the live performances, was a different production from
the broadcast. Someone, somewhere, probably has a recording of the
WFMT broadcast.

�Wouldn't it be in the CSO archive?

Yes, it is. The WFMT tape used for the broadcast. I had the
impression that the original poster would enjoy having a copy of it. I
have not re-read the post, and could be mistaken. In any case, it's my
understanding that the CSO Archives will not duplicate recordings for
individuals.

Yes, it is. The WFMT tape used for the broadcast. I had the
impression that the original poster would enjoy having a copy of it. I
have not re-read the post, and could be mistaken. In any case, it's my
understanding that the CSO Archives will not duplicate recordings for
individuals.

Yes, that's understandable, although it's too bad that there isn't
some convenient way to get at them, especially if the CSO is no longer
issuing their annual CDs of archival recordings. I can think of two
instances offhand of being slightly disappointed in a CSO CD release
(Solti Bruckner 4th, and the Abbado Symphonie Phantastique) because I
remembered the WFMT broadcast performance as being so much more
stunning. Perhaps being in concert gave the orchestra the kind of
swagger that allowed them to really tee off on the piece in a way that
could not be duplicated in a studio. Of course I didn't make a
recording of those particular broadcasts, so I don't have the
evidence, just my fading memory.

I can think of two
instances offhand of being slightly disappointed in a CSO CD release
(Solti Bruckner 4th, and the Abbado Symphonie Phantastique) because I
remembered the WFMT broadcast performance as being so much more
stunning. Perhaps being in concert gave the orchestra the kind of
swagger that allowed them to really tee off on the piece in a way that
could not be duplicated in a studio. Of course I didn't make a
recording of those particular broadcasts, so I don't have the
evidence, just my fading memory.

But this Bernstein DG CD originated from live concerts, so not sure
why the OP was wanting a copy of an WFMT broadcast, unless he wanted
it for different micing or a different choice of edits (from multiple
performances) used.

Steve

  Yes, it is. The WFMT tape used for the broadcast. I had the
impression that the original poster would enjoy having a copy of it. I
have not re-read the post, and could be mistaken. In any case, it's my
understanding that the CSO Archives will not duplicate recordings for
individuals.

Yes, that's understandable, although it's too bad that there isn't
some convenient way to get at them, especially if the CSO is no longer
issuing their annual CDs of archival recordings. I can think of two
instances offhand of being slightly disappointed in a CSO CD release
(Solti Bruckner 4th, and the Abbado Symphonie Phantastique) because I
remembered the WFMT broadcast performance as being so much more
stunning. Perhaps being in concert gave the orchestra the kind of
swagger that allowed them to really tee off on the piece in a way that
could not be duplicated in a studio. Of course I didn't make a
recording of those particular broadcasts, so I don't have the
evidence, just my fading memory.

Yes, that's understandable, although it's too bad that there isn't
some convenient way to get at them, especially if the CSO is no longer
issuing their annual CDs of archival recordings.>>.

Heck51 wrote:
On Oct 27, 8:08 pm, OW <bjm... at (no spam) aol.com> wrote:

Yes, that's understandable, although it's too bad that there isn't
some convenient way to get at them, especially if the CSO is no longer
issuing their annual CDs of archival recordings.>>.

it is too bad the CSO is not releasing past broadcast/recorded
performances - I tped some superb concerts that I was hoping would
appear on archival release -

from '87 - Solti: Strauss - Ein Heldenleben - amazing performance,
recorded in excellent sound

from '95 - Mehta: Strauss - Symphonia Domestica - again, a superb
performance - unbelievable playing...recorded very well. single
performance, or composite?? who cares?? the performance is amazing.

Barenboim: Corigliano - Sym #1. I like the broadcast performance
better than the CD release - more presence, more dramatic...I read
[Donald Peck's book, IIRC] that the CD version was recorded by a
different recording engineer, or different team from the usual...I
wonder if that means the broadcast version is from different
engineering than the CD.

Until a few years ago, CSO broadcasts were recorded by engineers from
WFMT. I know that is no longer the case, but I wonder whether the
engineers from the record companies during and after WFMT's involvement
in broadcasts talked with WFMT's people and learned from them how to get
the best sound out of Orchestra Hall. I suspect Don Tait might have
something to say about this, if he chooses to do so.

Until a few years ago, CSO broadcasts were recorded by engineers from
WFMT. I know that is no longer the case, but I wonder whether the
engineers from the record companies during and after WFMT's involvement
in broadcasts talked with WFMT's people and learned from them how to get
the best sound out of Orchestra Hall. I suspect Don Tait might have
something to say about this, if he chooses to do so.

Bob Harper

On Oct 28, 11:44�am, Bob Harper <bob.har... at (no spam) comcast.net> wrote:

Until a few years ago, CSO broadcasts were recorded by engineers from
WFMT. I know that is no longer the case, but I wonder whether the
engineers from the record companies during and after WFMT's involvement
in broadcasts talked with WFMT's people and learned from them how to get
the best sound out of Orchestra Hall. I suspect Don Tait might have
something to say about this, if he chooses to do so.

Remember Orchestra Hall was rebuilt (yet again) a few years ago, so
all the experience of WFMT's engineers might be for naught.

On Oct 27, 8:08 pm, OW <bjm... at (no spam) aol.com> wrote:

Yes, that's understandable, although it's too bad that there isn't
some convenient way to get at them, especially if the CSO is no longer
issuing their annual CDs of archival recordings.>>.

it is too bad the CSO is not releasing past broadcast/recorded
performances - I tped some superb concerts that I was hoping would
appear on archival release -

from '87 - Solti: Strauss - Ein Heldenleben - amazing performance,
recorded in excellent sound

from '95 - Mehta: Strauss - Symphonia Domestica - again, a superb
performance - unbelievable playing...recorded very well. single
performance, or composite?? who cares?? the performance is amazing.

Barenboim: Corigliano - Sym #1. I like the broadcast performance
better than the CD release - more presence, more dramatic...I read
[Donald Peck's book, IIRC] that the CD version was recorded by a
different recording engineer, or different team from the usual...I
wonder if that means the broadcast version is from different
engineering than the CD.

On Oct 28, 12:54 pm, "Peter T. Daniels" <gramma... at (no spam) verizon.net> wrote:

On Oct 28, 11:44 am, Bob Harper <bob.har... at (no spam) comcast.net> wrote:

Until a few years ago, CSO broadcasts were recorded by engineers from
WFMT. I know that is no longer the case, but I wonder whether the
engineers from the record companies during and after WFMT's involvement
in broadcasts talked with WFMT's people and learned from them how to get
the best sound out of Orchestra Hall. I suspect Don Tait might have
something to say about this, if he chooses to do so.

Remember Orchestra Hall was rebuilt (yet again) a few years ago, so
all the experience of WFMT's engineers might be for naught.

  Orchestra Hall's last renovation was in mid-1997. WFMT went on
recording the concerts for broadcast until funding for the broadcasts
was lost in autumn 2001. I was told by our main engineer about the
different microphone placements he used and finally settled upon to
adjust to the altered acoustics in the years after autumn 1997.

 Recording performances live for release was begun by companies during
the 1980s (the Bernstein Shostakovich symphonies date from 1987). In
any case, I had the impression that Bob Harper's question concerned
the fifteen or so years when WFMT's and the companies' engineers were
both working live. Again, I'll try to ask some questions and reply.

  Don Tait