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| travisgod at (no spam) aol.cominyrface... |
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| travisgod at (no spam) aol.cominyrface... |
| Posted: Sun Oct 25, 2009 5:30 am |
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On Oct 25, 11:24 am, Greendistantstar <Greendistants... at (no spam) iinet.net.au>
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Quote: travis... at (no spam) aol.cominyrface wrote:
this shit is fixed
Trav
A win for Rua would have made a match v Anderson Silva a big $ night for Dana, so
this decision actually isn't the best outcome for the UFC.
That doesn't make a sucky decision suck less, but a fix?
Nah, the UFC just needs better judges.
GDS
"Let's roll!"
they didn't want shogun as champ...i think they sell Rua/Silva as a
non title match main event 106 or something now.
They obv wanted Cain to go over vs Rothwell too. He was winning that
fight handily and the outcome didn't seem in doubt but best to stop it
when u get a chance rather than risk Rothwell landing a big shot.
Lesnar will kill Cain tho, he's 50lbs heavier and better at everything
Cain is good at.
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| Greendistantstar... |
| Posted: Sun Oct 25, 2009 9:24 am |
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travisgod at (no spam) aol.cominyrface wrote:
Quote: this shit is fixed
Trav
A win for Rua would have made a match v Anderson Silva a big $ night for Dana, so
this decision actually isn't the best outcome for the UFC.
That doesn't make a sucky decision suck less, but a fix?
Nah, the UFC just needs better judges.
GDS
"Let's roll!" |
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| Pierre Honeyman... |
| Posted: Sun Oct 25, 2009 1:06 pm |
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On Oct 25, 8:08 am, "travis... at (no spam) aol.cominyrface" <travis... at (no spam) aol.com>
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Quote: this shit is fixed
Trav
That was a bullshit call.
Pierre |
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| Mark Goldberg... |
| Posted: Sun Oct 25, 2009 5:44 pm |
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Greendistantstar wrote:
Quote: travisgod at (no spam) aol.cominyrface wrote:
this shit is fixed
Trav
A win for Rua would have made a match v Anderson Silva a big $ night for
Dana, so
this decision actually isn't the best outcome for the UFC.
That doesn't make a sucky decision suck less, but a fix?
Nah, the UFC just needs better judges.
GDS
"Let's roll!"
Everyone get's their shorts in a knot at fights like this one.
I had it three rounds to Rua, two to Machida. But if the refs look at
the failed takedowns and such and see it as a deficit for Rua, then it's
likely they saw it as 3 to 2 for Machida.
But that's the way these very close contests go. The fact is that a
rematch is mandated and the fans and the fighters know that they have to
push to 'win' not just counterpunch and counterkick to stay on top.
The rematch might be very interesting.
Massigati is an example from the ref's side as to how unobjective things
get. In Lesnar vs Mir 1, he let's Lesnar get well into a kneebar,
tapping like a dying sparrow in the frost, and then... massagati stops
the fight. Which I actually thought was ok. I mean lesnar didn't show
any sign of pain, so I figured Massagati let it go to see if the giant
could muscle his way out.... but he was of course, tapping, which would
by definition necessitate an immediate stoppage. But he didn't.
Here, with Rothwell he stops it with the guy getting up and defending
himself. Stupid stoppage. Little blood, no knockout or crosseyed look
from Rothwell.... go figure massagati
Actually, as dreary as the fight was with Machida and Rua, I was
fascinated at the very high level that both fighters had and showed.
Machida could not be taken down.... very very strong base and counters.
Rua would not be fooled into the counterpunch attack, but made his own
by rear kicks with force that disrupted the timing of Machida, and never
got tagged straight up like Machida does so easily.
Unfortunately they nullified each other thru desiring to not make
mistakes. This was what everyone hated Silva for and derided him but Rua
never made the effort accept to counter Machida's style and make sure he
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| SPORTfighter... |
| Posted: Mon Oct 26, 2009 9:21 am |
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On Oct 25, 11:08 am, "travis... at (no spam) aol.cominyrface" <travis... at (no spam) aol.com>
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Quote: this shit is fixed
Trav
WELL....See its like this.
the judges like getting hired, sure they are hired by the athloetic
commish but they know damn well the athletic commish likes shows
getting run so they can get pizzaid.
and so are decisions fixed ? are the judges biased?
well yes and no.no one tells them who they want to win.
they dont need to.
furthermore
many judges and commission people are friends with the fighters and
star struck by big names.
after years some fighters are their friends, they go to strip clubs
with them and shit.
even locally this kinda happens.
everyone knows my team, they dont really like us cause we dont go to
the local mma parties and stuff.
but they know if they have my fighter losing and he won, ill make a
big stink.ill find the judge and talk to him about it, get him to
explain.
at th next rules meeting ill make a big deal of asking whos juging the
fights about to happen, if this judge is named ill ask him to epplain
the criteria theyll be using on this show.
frankloy. half the judges dont know near as much as me and they know
it.
so when a fight goes to decision unless my guy gets killed i can
epxlain ion the cage why he won within earshot as they are deciding
the last round.
these comunities even in vegas are pretty insular.
and ive even seen lifelong friends where one is fighting and one is
judging, shit ive seen guys ref matches for their own team.
this is actually worse when the commission is overseeing the evnt
cause you can do much, with no commish you can bicth.
if i saw a fight betwen say lesner and acrwin and i happen to think
lesners a dick will it affect me?
sure it will.
fact is maybe 1/3d or round are very close and the judge siuts there
thinking "gee who should i go for" and then you say :"fuck it ill go
with my friend"
but say i also hang out with ufc people, and like getting front row
seat...if i go against the dick lesner im gonna get called out by dana
and maybe lose my cushy gig...so i may not like hium, but fuck it hes
getting my vote, what the hell do i care who really won anyways?
locally is sucks, but maybe half the fighters are from known respected
teams, hal;f arent, in the say 15% of the time the unknown team
fighter actually should win, often he loses cause of shenanigans.
btw my team fought in NH saturday(3-0 again thank you) and mass runs
WAY better cause we got to commiision
my guys brought there own gloves, thers a state law that the guys
running the show supply the gloves so we get these aweful one.
so sure enough i see the NH guy we are fighting warming up with other
gloves im like "hey what the fuck?"
commish is like "Well we know him hge can wear what he wants"
im like "fuck that then we aint fighting"
if i knew nothing wed have fought , but lontg stpory short the
promoter comes in and things get dealt with we get our own gloves,
which this state commission never even looks at, as far as they know
we are wearing brass knuckle.s
in mass thers no hassle, guys who know the sport look at your gloves
put em on and they know whats up.they dontklet ringside fingerless bag
gl;oves slide as they are like bricks, but in states with commission
we wear them alot, they inspect the glove and dont know the
differencre bewteen mma competition gloves and the bag versions.
ive seen dumbass karate types get in pro cages with mma sparring
gloves on.
point is commission are like the rest of gevoernment
corrupt and incompetent. |
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| SPORTfighter... |
| Posted: Mon Oct 26, 2009 9:23 am |
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On Oct 25, 7:44 pm, Mark Goldberg <msgoldb... at (no spam) optonline.net> wrote:
Quote: Greendistantstar wrote:
travis... at (no spam) aol.cominyrface wrote:
this shit is fixed
Trav
A win for Rua would have made a match v Anderson Silva a big $ night for
Dana, so
this decision actually isn't the best outcome for the UFC.
That doesn't make a sucky decision suck less, but a fix?
Nah, the UFC just needs better judges.
GDS
"Let's roll!"
Everyone get's their shorts in a knot at fights like this one.
I had it three rounds to Rua, two to Machida. But if the refs look at
the failed takedowns and such and see it as a deficit for Rua, then it's
likely they saw it as 3 to 2 for Machida.
But that's the way these very close contests go. The fact is that a
rematch is mandated and the fans and the fighters know that they have to
push to 'win' not just counterpunch and counterkick to stay on top.
The rematch might be very interesting.
Massigati is an example from the ref's side as to how unobjective things
get. In Lesnar vs Mir 1, he let's Lesnar get well into a kneebar,
tapping like a dying sparrow in the frost, and then... massagati stops
the fight. Which I actually thought was ok. I mean lesnar didn't show
any sign of pain, so I figured Massagati let it go to see if the giant
could muscle his way out.... but he was of course, tapping, which would
by definition necessitate an immediate stoppage. But he didn't.
Here, with Rothwell he stops it with the guy getting up and defending
himself. Stupid stoppage. Little blood, no knockout or crosseyed look
from Rothwell.... go figure massagati
Actually, as dreary as the fight was with Machida and Rua, I was
fascinated at the very high level that both fighters had and showed.
Machida could not be taken down.... very very strong base and counters.
Rua would not be fooled into the counterpunch attack, but made his own
by rear kicks with force that disrupted the timing of Machida, and never
got tagged straight up like Machida does so easily.
Unfortunately they nullified each other thru desiring to not make
mistakes. This was what everyone hated Silva for and derided him but Rua
never made the effort accept to counter Machida's style and make sure he
didn't get tagged.
dont see the ufc wanting rematch of a round snoozer with two guys
from brazil.
just aint martketable.
this was made to put machida over.
they knew it was weak main event to the casual guy but it was to build
machida.
shogun didnt play along, and now they know he cant be used to build
machida theyll only rematch them if they absolutly have to. |
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| Mike... |
| Posted: Mon Oct 26, 2009 9:25 am |
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On Oct 25, 11:08 am, "travis... at (no spam) aol.cominyrface" <travis... at (no spam) aol.com>
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Quote: this shit is fixed
Trav
To BE the man, you gotta BEAT the man! WaaaWoooo! Take a ride on space
mountain!
-Mike K. |
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| Sam the Bam... |
| Posted: Mon Oct 26, 2009 9:47 am |
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On Oct 26, SPORTfighter <billamaho... at (no spam) yahoo.com> wrote:
Quote: everyone knows my team, they dont really like us cause
we dont go to the local mma parties and stuff.
but they know if they have my fighter losing and he won,
ill make a big stink.
Suppose your fighter is losing, but they
give him the win?
Quote: point is commission are like the rest of gevoernment
corrupt and incompetent.
But don't they help people, like with affirmative action?
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| Sam the Bam... |
| Posted: Mon Oct 26, 2009 9:48 am |
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On Oct 25, "travis... at (no spam) aol.cominyrface" <travis... at (no spam) aol.com> wrote:
I missed it. How did it go?
Sam |
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| Mark Goldberg... |
| Posted: Mon Oct 26, 2009 2:03 pm |
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SPORTfighter wrote:
Quote: dont see the ufc wanting rematch of a round snoozer with two guys
from brazil.
just aint martketable.
this was made to put machida over.
they knew it was weak main event to the casual guy but it was to build
machida.
shogun didnt play along, and now they know he cant be used to build
machida theyll only rematch them if they absolutly have to.
I thought it would be great with Shogun trying to overwhelm Machida and
the test would be who's punching and kicking would predominate.
So you think Dana White will pull out of the announced rematch?
I wonder how he pulls that one off.
I know it sounds peculiar but for all the failure of the matchup I was
impressed with the technical skills of both fighters.
I do think that that's the best Rua, but I think Machida is capable of a
better fight. I don't he's a man who likes having put himself in this
position and will fight to nullify and breakdown Rua.
Am I off with that one?
Mark |
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| SPORTfighter... |
| Posted: Mon Oct 26, 2009 4:11 pm |
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On Oct 26, 3:47 pm, Sam the Bam <samtheb... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote:
Quote: On Oct 26, SPORTfighter <billamaho... at (no spam) yahoo.com> wrote:
everyone knows my team, they dont really like us cause
we dont go to the local mma parties and stuff.
but they know if they have my fighter losing and he won,
ill make a big stink.
Suppose your fighter is losing, but they
give him the win?
id be likely to get it over a shit team...maybe....if there were the
right judges, but some teams are more well liked than mine.
lets just say these things all have influece.
but my guys finish, so no worries.
Quote: point is commission are like the rest of gevoernment
corrupt and incompetent.
But don't they help people, like with affirmative action?
i stand corrected. |
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| SPORTfighter... |
| Posted: Mon Oct 26, 2009 4:13 pm |
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On Oct 26, 4:03 pm, Mark Goldberg <msgoldb... at (no spam) optonline.net> wrote:
Quote: SPORTfighter wrote:
dont see the ufc wanting rematch of a round snoozer with two guys
from brazil.
just aint martketable.
this was made to put machida over.
they knew it was weak main event to the casual guy but it was to build
machida.
shogun didnt play along, and now they know he cant be used to build
machida theyll only rematch them if they absolutly have to.
I thought it would be great with Shogun trying to overwhelm Machida and
the test would be who's punching and kicking would predominate.
So you think Dana White will pull out of the announced rematch?
I wonder how he pulls that one off
the pressure for the rematch is huge, maybe so much itll make the
fight more sellable.
what do i know?
Quote: I know it sounds peculiar but for all the failure of the matchup I was
impressed with the technical skills of both fighters.
I do think that that's the best Rua, but I think Machida is capable of a
better fight. I don't he's a man who likes having put himself in this
position and will fight to nullify and breakdown Rua.
Am I off with that one?
Mark |
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| Fraser Johnston... |
| Posted: Tue Oct 27, 2009 7:42 pm |
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<travisgod at (no spam) aol.com> wrote in message
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Shogun should of won it but Rogans calling was as onesided as they come. I saw
Lyoto connect and Shogun miss and Rogan call how good Shoguns kick was.
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