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| gray asphalt... |
 Posted: Sat Oct 24, 2009 8:27 pm |
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I don't think Michael Moore's movie, "Capitalism, A Love Story",
is very convincing. Some of it made me wonder about people who
just aren't facing reality... but
I watched "Sicko" and it was so close to my own opinions that it
asked a lot of the same questions I asked without ever having seen it.
Have you seen it? Were you impressed with the French health care
system? That movie convinced me that we, the US, are not the
greatest country in the world ... that we are in denial and maybe
our unfounded optimism is leading us off the edge of a cliff. Maybe
a little dramatic but not as dramatic as what might happen to people
who have never lived in need and find themselves deserted by the
ones who they think are friends.
And one other thing ... Do you think part of the health care push is to
cover up for the Wall Street ripoff? Money that could be used for
health care and many other important issues, maybe more important
was lost forever, apparently, to predatory investment bankers. |
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| Posted: Sat Oct 24, 2009 8:47 pm |
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On Sat, 24 Oct 2009 19:27:20 -0700, "gray asphalt"
<dontwrite at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote:
Quote: I don't think Michael Moore's movie, "Capitalism, A Love Story",
is very convincing. Some of it made me wonder about people who
just aren't facing reality... but
I watched "Sicko" and it was so close to my own opinions that it
asked a lot of the same questions I asked without ever having seen it.
Have you seen it? Were you impressed with the French health care
system? That movie convinced me that we, the US, are not the
greatest country in the world ... that we are in denial and maybe
our unfounded optimism is leading us off the edge of a cliff. Maybe
a little dramatic but not as dramatic as what might happen to people
who have never lived in need and find themselves deserted by the
ones who they think are friends.
I'm sure that your statement about the status of the U.S. was just an
opinion regarding health care.
You may well be right about that comparison. Its an opinion that has
a following, but that's just one of a myriad of areas to be considered
when discussing our greatness. There few, if any, other subjects
that America isn't the world leader.
Quote: And one other thing ... Do you think part of the health care push is to
cover up for the Wall Street ripoff? Money that could be used for
health care and many other important issues, maybe more important
was lost forever, apparently, to predatory investment bankers.
No. The health care push has been on the table for years.
BK |
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| BAR... |
| Posted: Sun Oct 25, 2009 3:43 pm |
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In article <c8c7b7b0-14ef-4f9f-961e-6e4835885d09
at (no spam) f20g2000prn.googlegroups.com>, gdstrue at (no spam) aol.com says...
Quote:
On Oct 25, 1:33 pm, BAR <sc... at (no spam) you.com> wrote:
In article <4ae4b32a$0$4247$882e0... at (no spam) news.ThunderNews.com>,
NoS... at (no spam) NoWay.com says...
"BAR" <sc... at (no spam) you.com> wrote in message
news:MPG.254e73341aabae18989692 at (no spam) news.giganews.com...
In article <4ae4a524$0$17148$882e0... at (no spam) news.ThunderNews.com>,
NoS... at (no spam) NoWay.com says...
Why is government controlled health care the only solution?
Why do you fear knowledge?
Your tin foil hat isn't covering your whole head.
Says the guy that makes up stuff..... or did I miss the suggestion in
this
thread that single payer is the only option?
What is the problem and what is your solution?
It must be pretty dark where your head is...
People like you are amazing. You can't identify the problems and you
haven't got a clue about the solutions.- Hide quoted text -
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Which is precisely why he's in my idiot file.
I should expend the energy for the two mouse clicks to drop him into the
idiot file but it just seems such a waste of time. |
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| BAR... |
| Posted: Sun Oct 25, 2009 3:44 pm |
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In article <t5e9e5p2slrt4aoud1lsi7raillomdu9go at (no spam) 4ax.com>,
bknight at (no spam) conramp.net says...
Quote:
On Sun, 25 Oct 2009 07:52:26 -0400, BAR <screw at (no spam) you.com> wrote:
In article <vae7e5hhmapkt169mpmnrgui6vif0ra0of at (no spam) 4ax.com>,
bknight at (no spam) conramp.net says...
And one other thing ... Do you think part of the health care push is to
cover up for the Wall Street ripoff? Money that could be used for
health care and many other important issues, maybe more important
was lost forever, apparently, to predatory investment bankers.
No. The health care push has been on the table for years.
Why is government controlled health care the only solution?
who said that it is?
Are you now anti-public option and pro private solutions? |
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| William Clark... |
| Posted: Sun Oct 25, 2009 3:59 pm |
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In article <MPG.254e7b696d816139989693 at (no spam) news.giganews.com>,
BAR <screw at (no spam) you.com> wrote:
Quote: In article <wclark2-C0CBFE.15552925102009 at (no spam) charm.magnus.acs.ohio-
state.edu>, wclark2 at (no spam) colnospamumbus.rr.com says...
How did the government suddenly become competent? Let alone in the area
of health care?
The Canadian government can't successfully run their health care system
to provide their own citizens with proper health care without
outsourcing to the USA. Britian parks injured people in ambulances off
the hospital grounds so that the administrators can keep thier response
times at acceptable levels. Britian tells women in labor after their
water breaks to walk to the hospital rather than send an ambulance.
Er, excuse me, Bertie, old chap, but it's "Britain", please. If you are
going to peddle urban legends to suit your crackpot politics, at lease
get the target of your lunacy correct.
Britian Britain what's the difference? It it was such a great place your
would be there now.
"Your" would be there? Bertie Boots, you are getting worse by the
minute. Tut, tut.
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Tell me some more about governments running things. Do you want to buy a
$1,000 toilet seat or a $600 hammer? I can go buy a toilet seat for
$6.99 at HomeDepot and I can get a hammer for $9.99. It didn't take the
government to negotiate those prices for me.
$16,500 for a Ti -6-4 hip prosthesis? I think the government would have
a hard time topping that.
Find something new to whine about.
I see, I provide evidence that your argument is about as flat as last
year's cola, and you can only respond with a lame deflection. No
surprise there, though. I would probably have to do the same if I was
caught like that.
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The problem in health care is that the consumer is not purchasing the
services. With the government stepping in everyone is going to become
"entitled" to a private room in the hospital, "entitled" to all
avaliable tests, "entitled" to whatever anyone else gets. Then you wind
up with the Canadian system but, there is no USA to outsource the care
of the paitents to.
Well, you seem to be a living example of what happens when people don't
have to "purchase" their education. "Paitents", indeed. Shame on you -
but the spelling is at least consistent with the IQ of your statements.
Looking at the world through your jaundiced eye again. Its too bad you
only have one yard-stick.
Caught again - hook, line, and sinker. This is all you can come up with? |
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| William Clark... |
| Posted: Sun Oct 25, 2009 4:00 pm |
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In article <MPG.254e90d3a79195e898969a at (no spam) news.giganews.com>,
BAR <screw at (no spam) you.com> wrote:
Quote: In article <t5e9e5p2slrt4aoud1lsi7raillomdu9go at (no spam) 4ax.com>,
bknight at (no spam) conramp.net says...
On Sun, 25 Oct 2009 07:52:26 -0400, BAR <screw at (no spam) you.com> wrote:
In article <vae7e5hhmapkt169mpmnrgui6vif0ra0of at (no spam) 4ax.com>,
bknight at (no spam) conramp.net says...
And one other thing ... Do you think part of the health care push is to
cover up for the Wall Street ripoff? Money that could be used for
health care and many other important issues, maybe more important
was lost forever, apparently, to predatory investment bankers.
No. The health care push has been on the table for years.
Why is government controlled health care the only solution?
who said that it is?
Are you now anti-public option and pro private solutions?
Excuse me, but to those capable of thought, "option" implies one of a
number of alternatives.
Got it? |
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| William Clark... |
| Posted: Sun Oct 25, 2009 4:02 pm |
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In article <MPG.254e9096b55e8c2c989699 at (no spam) news.giganews.com>,
BAR <screw at (no spam) you.com> wrote:
Quote: In article <c8c7b7b0-14ef-4f9f-961e-6e4835885d09
at (no spam) f20g2000prn.googlegroups.com>, gdstrue at (no spam) aol.com says...
On Oct 25, 1:33 pm, BAR <sc... at (no spam) you.com> wrote:
In article <4ae4b32a$0$4247$882e0... at (no spam) news.ThunderNews.com>,
NoS... at (no spam) NoWay.com says...
"BAR" <sc... at (no spam) you.com> wrote in message
news:MPG.254e73341aabae18989692 at (no spam) news.giganews.com...
In article <4ae4a524$0$17148$882e0... at (no spam) news.ThunderNews.com>,
NoS... at (no spam) NoWay.com says...
Why is government controlled health care the only solution?
Why do you fear knowledge?
Your tin foil hat isn't covering your whole head.
Says the guy that makes up stuff..... or did I miss the suggestion
in
this
thread that single payer is the only option?
What is the problem and what is your solution?
It must be pretty dark where your head is...
People like you are amazing. You can't identify the problems and you
haven't got a clue about the solutions.- Hide quoted text -
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Which is precisely why he's in my idiot file.
I should expend the energy for the two mouse clicks to drop him into the
idiot file but it just seems such a waste of time.
Wouldn't that be self-defeating, given that you already are in there? I
thought you would want to get away from him. |
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| Posted: Sun Oct 25, 2009 5:40 pm |
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On 25-Oct-2009, Carbon <nobrac at (no spam) nospam.tampabay.rr.com> wrote:
Quote: So much fear and paranoia in just one sentence. The government does not
want to "control" healthcare in the sense that you mean. In the rest of
the first world, universal healthcare is cheaper due to economies of
scale. An entire nation of people is going to be more successful at
setting prices than would individuals getting raped one after another by
insurance and pharmaceutical companies who collude together to keep
prices as high as possible. It's simple economics.
you don't understand economics or control. 1st law of control: he who pays
the piper calls the tune.
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bill-o |
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| Kommienezuspadt... |
| Posted: Sun Oct 25, 2009 5:52 pm |
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"BAR" <screw at (no spam) you.com> wrote in message
news:MPG.254e81393ba9756a989698 at (no spam) news.giganews.com...
Quote: In article <4ae4b555$0$14353$882e0bbb at (no spam) news.ThunderNews.com>,
NoSpam at (no spam) NoWay.com says...
"William Clark" <wclark2 at (no spam) colnospamumbus.rr.com> wrote in message
news:wclark2-C0CBFE.15552925102009 at (no spam) charm.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu...
In article <MPG.254e6e47ddaa0c3a989690 at (no spam) news.giganews.com>,
BAR <screw at (no spam) you.com> wrote:
In article <4ae44998$0$5113$9a6e19ea at (no spam) unlimited.newshosting.com>,
nobrac at (no spam) nospam.tampabay.rr.com says...
On Sun, 25 Oct 2009 07:52:26 -0400, BAR wrote:
Why is government controlled health care the only solution?
So much fear and paranoia in just one sentence. The government does
not
want to "control" healthcare in the sense that you mean. In the rest
of
the first world, universal healthcare is cheaper due to economies of
scale. An entire nation of people is going to be more successful at
setting prices than would individuals getting raped one after
another
by
insurance and pharmaceutical companies who collude together to keep
prices as high as possible. It's simple economics.
How did the government suddenly become competent? Let alone in the
area
of health care?
The Canadian government can't successfully run their health care
system
to provide their own citizens with proper health care without
outsourcing to the USA. Britian parks injured people in ambulances off
the hospital grounds so that the administrators can keep thier
response
times at acceptable levels. Britian tells women in labor after their
water breaks to walk to the hospital rather than send an ambulance.
Er, excuse me, Bertie, old chap, but it's "Britain", please. If you are
going to peddle urban legends to suit your crackpot politics, at lease
get the target of your lunacy correct.
BAR -- successfully barring information from his brain once again.
Aren't you going to ask me for cites for my arguments above? Or, are you
and Billy sufficiently grounded in reality that you know that the cites
are easily obtainable.
Why bother? You wouldn't produce them. |
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| Kommienezuspadt... |
| Posted: Sun Oct 25, 2009 5:55 pm |
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"BAR" <screw at (no spam) you.com> wrote in message
news:MPG.254e80b19ef2159a989697 at (no spam) news.giganews.com...
Quote: In article <4ae4b398$0$17323$882e0bbb at (no spam) news.ThunderNews.com>,
NoSpam at (no spam) NoWay.com says...
"BAR" <screw at (no spam) you.com> wrote in message
news:MPG.254e6ed9c47584fd989691 at (no spam) news.giganews.com...
In article <4ae4a140$0$4472$882e0bbb at (no spam) news.ThunderNews.com>,
NoSpam at (no spam) NoWay.com says...
"Frank Ketchum" <nospam at (no spam) thanksanyway.com> wrote in message
news:wVZEm.29284$NE1.3673 at (no spam) newsfe18.iad...
"Kommienezuspadt" <NoSpam at (no spam) NoWay.com> wrote in message
news:4ae45d28$0$12996$882e0bbb at (no spam) news.ThunderNews.com...
Why do you fear knowledge?
Why do you fear admitting that everything the government touches
turns
to
shit?
Yeah -- That's why we lost lost WWII -- letting the government run the
military.....
What happened in Vietnam? The government was running the war in Vietnam
and they sure as hell screwed the pooch on that one.
OK -- don't call the fire - police or an ambulance.
I enjoyed bursting your "the government is the answer" delusion.
Except it is you that is deluded -- I responded to the claim that EVERYTHING
touched by the gov't turns to ....
I never claimed anything of the sort you are now attempting to claim -- but
I don't expect anything resembling coherence from you -- just you looking
foolish -- which I find oddly funny.
But you can rescue yourself -- just point out where I made a claim like "the
government is the answer" -- be the big man that resides only inside your
head -- prove me wrong! |
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| Kommienezuspadt... |
| Posted: Sun Oct 25, 2009 5:58 pm |
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"BAR" <screw at (no spam) you.com> wrote in message
news:MPG.254e802cfc6155d1989696 at (no spam) news.giganews.com...
Quote: In article <4ae4b32a$0$4247$882e0bbb at (no spam) news.ThunderNews.com>,
NoSpam at (no spam) NoWay.com says...
"BAR" <screw at (no spam) you.com> wrote in message
news:MPG.254e73341aabae18989692 at (no spam) news.giganews.com...
In article <4ae4a524$0$17148$882e0bbb at (no spam) news.ThunderNews.com>,
NoSpam at (no spam) NoWay.com says...
Why is government controlled health care the only solution?
Why do you fear knowledge?
Your tin foil hat isn't covering your whole head.
Says the guy that makes up stuff..... or did I miss the suggestion in
this
thread that single payer is the only option?
What is the problem and what is your solution?
It must be pretty dark where your head is...
People like you are amazing. You can't identify the problems and you
haven't got a clue about the solutions.
I know one problem -- you and reality -- or is it just that you can't stop
making up stuff? |
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| Kommienezuspadt... |
| Posted: Sun Oct 25, 2009 5:59 pm |
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"Dene" <gdstrue at (no spam) aol.com> wrote in message
news:c8c7b7b0-14ef-4f9f-961e-6e4835885d09 at (no spam) f20g2000prn.googlegroups.com...
On Oct 25, 1:33 pm, BAR <sc... at (no spam) you.com> wrote:
Quote: In article <4ae4b32a$0$4247$882e0... at (no spam) news.ThunderNews.com>,
NoS... at (no spam) NoWay.com says...
"BAR" <sc... at (no spam) you.com> wrote in message
news:MPG.254e73341aabae18989692 at (no spam) news.giganews.com...
In article <4ae4a524$0$17148$882e0... at (no spam) news.ThunderNews.com>,
NoS... at (no spam) NoWay.com says...
Why is government controlled health care the only solution?
Why do you fear knowledge?
Your tin foil hat isn't covering your whole head.
Says the guy that makes up stuff..... or did I miss the suggestion in
this
thread that single payer is the only option?
What is the problem and what is your solution?
It must be pretty dark where your head is...
People like you are amazing. You can't identify the problems and you
haven't got a clue about the solutions.- Hide quoted text -
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Which is precisely why he's in my idiot file.
-Greg
== No - it's because I've called you on your posts & you ran as fast as you
could to the killfile -- but -- no matter -- I just keep calling you on
it -- not caring if you see it because I know others do. |
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| Kommienezuspadt... |
| Posted: Sun Oct 25, 2009 6:00 pm |
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<bknight at (no spam) conramp.net> wrote in message
news:t5e9e5p2slrt4aoud1lsi7raillomdu9go at (no spam) 4ax.com...
Quote: On Sun, 25 Oct 2009 07:52:26 -0400, BAR <screw at (no spam) you.com> wrote:
In article <vae7e5hhmapkt169mpmnrgui6vif0ra0of at (no spam) 4ax.com>,
bknight at (no spam) conramp.net says...
And one other thing ... Do you think part of the health care push is to
cover up for the Wall Street ripoff? Money that could be used for
health care and many other important issues, maybe more important
was lost forever, apparently, to predatory investment bankers.
No. The health care push has been on the table for years.
Why is government controlled health care the only solution?
who said that it is?
BK
He's claiming I said it -- but -- he seems unable to show us where. |
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| Kommienezuspadt... |
| Posted: Sun Oct 25, 2009 6:01 pm |
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"BAR" <screw at (no spam) you.com> wrote in message
news:MPG.254e90d3a79195e898969a at (no spam) news.giganews.com...
Quote: In article <t5e9e5p2slrt4aoud1lsi7raillomdu9go at (no spam) 4ax.com>,
bknight at (no spam) conramp.net says...
On Sun, 25 Oct 2009 07:52:26 -0400, BAR <screw at (no spam) you.com> wrote:
In article <vae7e5hhmapkt169mpmnrgui6vif0ra0of at (no spam) 4ax.com>,
bknight at (no spam) conramp.net says...
And one other thing ... Do you think part of the health care push is
to
cover up for the Wall Street ripoff? Money that could be used for
health care and many other important issues, maybe more important
was lost forever, apparently, to predatory investment bankers.
No. The health care push has been on the table for years.
Why is government controlled health care the only solution?
who said that it is?
Are you now anti-public option and pro private solutions?
duck & weave all you like -- but truth has this nasty way of proving you
coming up short once again -- |
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| Frank Ketchum... |
| Posted: Sun Oct 25, 2009 6:17 pm |
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"Kommienezuspadt" <NoSpam at (no spam) NoWay.com> wrote in message
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Quote:
Yeah -- That's why we lost lost WWII -- letting the government run the
military.....
Funny that you choose one of the very few things gobmint is for as defined
by the constitution for your example.
I wonder why you didn't mention our wonderful public education system. |
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