On 1-Nov-2009, Chris Bellomy <ten.wohsdoog at (no spam) sirhc> wrote:

False. Flatly and provably false.

Show me what the CBO estimates government expenditures on healthcare
to be in ten years if we do nothing.

show me a CBO estimate that has been anything but a lowball & their lowball
says it's going to cost more. Of course w/o this massive additional burden
on our budget, medicare & medicaid will already bankrupt us in our
lifetimes.

On 1-Nov-2009, Chris Bellomy <ten.wohsdoog at (no spam) sirhc> wrote:

they do neither! the CBO says so;
False. Flatly and provably false.

well put up then big boy! your side is just delusional.

http://tinyurl.com/o3twg8

On 1-Nov-2009, "Kommienezuspadt" <NoSpam at (no spam) NoThanks.net> wrote:

It's called price fixing, which for health insurance companies
includes not only the premiums they charge, but also the amount they
pay to doctors. In reality, the doctors are in a much weaker position
than the policy holders. Most people have PPO insurance and will
usually stay within their network. If a physician isn't happy with
what he/she is getting, the only choice is to leave the network and
lose the patients from that network.

Insurance companies only exist to help people --- no other motives --
just

ask dene

It is good business to help people. It is what successful companies do.

--
bill-o

assimilate at (no spam) borg.org wrote, On 11/1/09 10:22 PM:
On 1-Nov-2009, Chris Bellomy <ten.wohsdoog at (no spam) sirhc> wrote:

Then why do the Republicans try to obstruct and delay on
every single vote instead of accepting Obama's invitation
to have a hand in crafting the reform bill?

Republicans obstruct? Who is not allowing them any input at all into the
respective bills?

Rush Limbaugh.

cb

Moderate wrote, On 11/2/09 2:15 PM:
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dene wrote, On 11/2/09 1:58 PM:
"Chris Bellomy" <ten.wohsdoog at (no spam) sirhc> wrote in message
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The GOP, along with at few Blue-Dog Dems were the only ones who saw
this
bill as a total POS.
The GOP also happens to be less popular than syphilis at the
moment, so who cares?
The tide is changing, Chris.
No it isn't. If anything, it's only getting worse for you guys.

You might want to have that myopic vision checked.

Silly wingnut. I do not come into these discussions without facts
at my side.

http://pollingreport.com/cong_rep.htm

In article <J5adnZELJ73f0HLXnZ2dnUVZ_gBi4p2d at (no spam) supernews.com>,
ten.wohsdoog at (no spam) sirhc says...

Moderate wrote, On 11/2/09 2:15 PM:
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dene wrote, On 11/2/09 1:58 PM:
"Chris Bellomy" <ten.wohsdoog at (no spam) sirhc> wrote in message
news:gvWdnfGI2vcKqHLXnZ2dnUVZ_vqdnZ2d at (no spam) supernews.com...

The GOP, along with at few Blue-Dog Dems were the only ones who saw
this
bill as a total POS.
The GOP also happens to be less popular than syphilis at the
moment, so who cares?
The tide is changing, Chris.
No it isn't. If anything, it's only getting worse for you guys.

You might want to have that myopic vision checked.

Silly wingnut. I do not come into these discussions without facts
at my side.

http://pollingreport.com/cong_rep.htm

How about a poll from a non-biased company, CNN is hardly middle of the
road.


Damn you're dense. Try scrolling down that site and see 6 or 7 other

On Mon, 2 Nov 2009 19:35:56 -0500, BAR <screw at (no spam) you.com> wrote:

In article <J5adnZELJ73f0HLXnZ2dnUVZ_gBi4p2d at (no spam) supernews.com>,
ten.wohsdoog at (no spam) sirhc says...

Moderate wrote, On 11/2/09 2:15 PM:
"Chris Bellomy" <ten.wohsdoog at (no spam) sirhc> wrote in message
news:ANednc4gL6Kqp3LXnZ2dnUVZ_oVi4p2d at (no spam) supernews.com...
dene wrote, On 11/2/09 1:58 PM:
"Chris Bellomy" <ten.wohsdoog at (no spam) sirhc> wrote in message
news:gvWdnfGI2vcKqHLXnZ2dnUVZ_vqdnZ2d at (no spam) supernews.com...

The GOP, along with at few Blue-Dog Dems were the only ones who
saw
this
bill as a total POS.
The GOP also happens to be less popular than syphilis at the
moment, so who cares?
The tide is changing, Chris.
No it isn't. If anything, it's only getting worse for you guys.

You might want to have that myopic vision checked.

Silly wingnut. I do not come into these discussions without facts
at my side.

http://pollingreport.com/cong_rep.htm

How about a poll from a non-biased company, CNN is hardly middle of the
road.


Damn you're dense. Try scrolling down that site and see 6 or 7 other
polls. Only the Bloomberg shows it close to even.

BK

Silly wingnut. I do not come into these discussions without facts
at my side.

http://pollingreport.com/cong_rep.htm

cb

Republicans obstruct? Who is not allowing them any input at all into the
respective bills?

Rush Limbaugh.

Only after the GOP voted as a bloc time and again against
*any* Democratic-sponsored initiative, not just on this issue
but on pretty much all of them.

"Chris Bellomy" <ten.wohsdoog at (no spam) sirhc> wrote in message
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Moderate wrote, On 11/2/09 3:35 PM:
"Chris Bellomy" <ten.wohsdoog at (no spam) sirhc> wrote in message

The left isn't about to defect to vote for the next bubble-headed
moron your party trots out on stage.

cb

Why, they voted one in last year.

MNMikeW wrote, On 11/4/09 12:53 PM:
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assimilate at (no spam) borg.org wrote, On 11/4/09 1:22 AM:
On 3-Nov-2009, Chris Bellomy <ten.wohsdoog at (no spam) sirhc> wrote:

It matters a lot. That's how the give-and-take of Washington
politics works. If you want input into legislation, you have
to show willingness to vote for it.
It is a two way street; you can't block input from the minority, and it
was
made clear from the start that Dems would allow none, then expect siad
minority to do anything but oppose
But of course, that's the opposite of what happened here.
Max Baucus bent over backwards trying to produce a bill
that at least one Republican would support. Well, that's
what he got. One Republican.

Face it, the GOP has calculated that they're better off
trying to stymie anything Obama wants. That's why they
have far-and-away the highest filibuster rate in history.
That's their choice, but it comes with consequences.

Obama felt some of the consequences for his policys yesterday in VA and NJ.

If you say so. I'd say he felt the consequences in NY and CA.

Moderate wrote, On 11/4/09 11:59 AM:
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assimilate at (no spam) borg.org wrote, On 11/4/09 1:24 AM:
On 3-Nov-2009, Chris Bellomy <ten.wohsdoog at (no spam) sirhc> wrote:

How many GOP Congressmen have had to apologize to Rush this year?
5? 6?
please cite, I can only recall Mr Steele, not an elected official.
Eric Cantor, Todd Tiahrt, Jim Tedisco, Phil Gingrey, and
Mark Sanford all say hi.

Didn't these people apologize for making comments about Limbaugh that could
be considered defamatory?

CANTOR

"So the Rush Limbaugh approach of hoping the president fails is not
the Eric Cantor, House Republican approach?" [Stephanopoulos] asked.

"Absolutely not," Cantor said. "And I don't -- I don't think anyone
wants anything to fail right now. We have such challenges. What we
need to do is we need to put forth solutions to the problems that real
families are facing today."

...

TIAHRT

?No, no, [Limbaugh]?s just an entertainer." (in response to
whether Limbaugh was the de facto leader of the GOP)

...

TEDISCO

?Rush Limbaugh is meaningless to me,? Tedisco told the
editorial board of The Daily Star on Thursday. ?The only
constituency I?m worried about are the residents of the
20th Congressional District.?

...

GINGREY

"I mean, it?s easy if you?re Sean Hannity or Rush
Limbaugh or even sometimes Newt Gingrich to stand back
and throw bricks."

In article <0NWdnaKBVr8XbmzXnZ2dnUVZ_uCdnZ2d at (no spam) supernews.com>,
ten.wohsdoog at (no spam) sirhc says...

MNMikeW wrote, On 11/4/09 12:53 PM:
"Chris Bellomy" <ten.wohsdoog at (no spam) sirhc> wrote in message
news:YPednc3ubIbDIGzXnZ2dnUVZ_rVi4p2d at (no spam) supernews.com...
assimilate at (no spam) borg.org wrote, On 11/4/09 1:22 AM:
On 3-Nov-2009, Chris Bellomy <ten.wohsdoog at (no spam) sirhc> wrote:

It matters a lot. That's how the give-and-take of Washington
politics works. If you want input into legislation, you have
to show willingness to vote for it.
It is a two way street; you can't block input from the minority, and it
was
made clear from the start that Dems would allow none, then expect siad
minority to do anything but oppose
But of course, that's the opposite of what happened here.
Max Baucus bent over backwards trying to produce a bill
that at least one Republican would support. Well, that's
what he got. One Republican.

Face it, the GOP has calculated that they're better off
trying to stymie anything Obama wants. That's why they
have far-and-away the highest filibuster rate in history.
That's their choice, but it comes with consequences.

Obama felt some of the consequences for his policys yesterday in VA and
NJ.

If you say so. I'd say he felt the consequences in NY and CA.

You are putting up two Congressional districts against two states?

In article <MPG.255be77f541e8044989730 at (no spam) news.giganews.com>,
BAR <screw at (no spam) you.com> wrote:

In article <0NWdnaKBVr8XbmzXnZ2dnUVZ_uCdnZ2d at (no spam) supernews.com>,
ten.wohsdoog at (no spam) sirhc says...

MNMikeW wrote, On 11/4/09 12:53 PM:
"Chris Bellomy" <ten.wohsdoog at (no spam) sirhc> wrote in message
news:YPednc3ubIbDIGzXnZ2dnUVZ_rVi4p2d at (no spam) supernews.com...
assimilate at (no spam) borg.org wrote, On 11/4/09 1:22 AM:
On 3-Nov-2009, Chris Bellomy <ten.wohsdoog at (no spam) sirhc> wrote:

It matters a lot. That's how the give-and-take of Washington
politics works. If you want input into legislation, you have
to show willingness to vote for it.
It is a two way street; you can't block input from the minority, and it
was
made clear from the start that Dems would allow none, then expect siad
minority to do anything but oppose
But of course, that's the opposite of what happened here.
Max Baucus bent over backwards trying to produce a bill
that at least one Republican would support. Well, that's
what he got. One Republican.

Face it, the GOP has calculated that they're better off
trying to stymie anything Obama wants. That's why they
have far-and-away the highest filibuster rate in history.
That's their choice, but it comes with consequences.

Obama felt some of the consequences for his policys yesterday in VA and
NJ.

If you say so. I'd say he felt the consequences in NY and CA.

You are putting up two Congressional districts against two states?

One unpopular governor (who came much closer than expected), and one
governor of a state that has always gone against the occupant of the WH.
Not too much to get bent out of shape about, especially when Obama's
approval rating in VA is still higher than it was at the time of the
Presidential election.

Against that, the shambles of the NY 23rd district, where a hard right
candidate managed to lose a seat to the Democrats that they have held
for over 100 years.

I'd say there is probably not too much to read into those tea leaves
either way.