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In article <MPG.254f5730c0b1717198969b at (no spam) news.giganews.com>,
BAR <screw at (no spam) you.com> wrote:

In article
wclark2-752C97.18005725102009 at (no spam) charm.magnus.acs.ohio-
state.edu>, wclark2 at (no spam) colnospamumbus.rr.com says...

In article <MPG.254e90d3a79195e898969a at (no spam) news.giganews.com>,
BAR <screw at (no spam) you.com> wrote:

In article <t5e9e5p2slrt4aoud1lsi7raillomdu9go at (no spam) 4ax.com>,
bknight at (no spam) conramp.net says...

On Sun, 25 Oct 2009 07:52:26 -0400, BAR
screw at (no spam) you.com> wrote:

In article
vae7e5hhmapkt169mpmnrgui6vif0ra0of at (no spam) 4ax.com>,
bknight at (no spam) conramp.net says...


And one other thing ... Do you think part of the
health care
push
is to
cover up for the Wall Street ripoff? Money that
could be
used
for
health care and many other important issues, maybe
more
important
was lost forever, apparently, to predatory
investment
bankers.

No. The health care push has been on the table for
years.

Why is government controlled health care the only
solution?

who said that it is?

Are you now anti-public option and pro private
solutions?

Excuse me, but to those capable of thought, "option"
implies one of
a
number of alternatives.

Got it?

You make me laugh at your gullibility. Do you need to be
deprogrammed
at
the dinner table like we have to do with our daughter after
her daily
programming at school?

OK, so you concede that you did not understand what "option"
meant.
Probably a good idea if you actually went to school with your
daughter
one day, and sat in on her reading comprehension class.

"Option" implies a number of alternatives. "Public Option"
implies one
of
the alternatives.

Brilliant! So health care with a public option is not
"government
controlled health care"

Actually the public option part would be government controlled.
It's also
the first step to a single payer system which is what Obama really
wants.

Yes - and there is the difference that poor ol' Bertie can't quite
grasp. The public part is government controlled, but the rest IS
NOT!

Of course, if you choose to see a reds under the bed conspiracy in
this,
that's up to you. In any case, an awful lot of folk would be very
happy
with a single payor system.

Fortunately there are more who wouldn't be happy with it.



That darned liberal thing called reality is knocking at your door to
laugh at you.

http://www.healthcare-now.org/another-poll-shows-majority-support-for-single-payer/

A New York Times/CBS News poll released last week shows, yet again,
that the majority of Americans support national health insurance.

The poll, which compares answers to the same questions from 30 years
ago, finds that, "59% [of Americans] say the government should
provide national health insurance, including 49% who say such
insurance should cover all medical problems."

Only 32% think that insurance should be left to private enterprise.


Healthcare-now.org, yeah no agenda there.


You should stay away from the drugs man --- it's a CBS NYTimes poll --
BrainDamaged BAR -- another sad case of the meth addict & a computer?

CBS/NYT, yeah no agenda there.


whatever -- the truth is you can't even figure out who did the poll when
it was RIGHT in front of you -- get off the drugs now.

As soon as you get off the Kool-aid.

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BAR <screw at (no spam) you.com> wrote:

In article <t5e9e5p2slrt4aoud1lsi7raillomdu9go at (no spam) 4ax.com>,
bknight at (no spam) conramp.net says...

On Sun, 25 Oct 2009 07:52:26 -0400, BAR <screw at (no spam) you.com
wrote:

In article <vae7e5hhmapkt169mpmnrgui6vif0ra0of at (no spam) 4ax.com>,
bknight at (no spam) conramp.net says...


And one other thing ... Do you think part of the
health
care
push
is to
cover up for the Wall Street ripoff? Money that could
be
used
for
health care and many other important issues, maybe
more
important
was lost forever, apparently, to predatory investment
bankers.

No. The health care push has been on the table for
years.

Why is government controlled health care the only
solution?

who said that it is?

Are you now anti-public option and pro private solutions?

Excuse me, but to those capable of thought, "option" implies
one
of a
number of alternatives.

Got it?

You make me laugh at your gullibility. Do you need to be
deprogrammed at
the dinner table like we have to do with our daughter after her
daily
programming at school?

OK, so you concede that you did not understand what "option"
meant.
Probably a good idea if you actually went to school with your
daughter
one day, and sat in on her reading comprehension class.

Nice try dude.

Where options require choices, when there is only one choice there
are
no options.

Why has the public option been renamed the competitive option? It
sounds
like Congress is trying to sugar coat a piece of shit to make it
easier
to swallow.

How many Sham-Wow's have you bought? You will believe anything they
tell
you.

You seem to be confused between a "public option" and a single payer
system. Lie down for a while and it might become clear.

he says his wife is a chemist -- I suspect she has done very bad
things
to his brain.

Say it a few more times. It was so effective the first time.


the evidence is that you cannot read or comprehend information placed on
your screen --- or how else should we explain your failure to understand
the source of the poll when the answer was right in front of your face?

Er, he doesn't want to admit he was wrong?

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NoSpam at (no spam) NoThanks.net says...

You make me laugh at your gullibility. Do you need to be
deprogrammed
at
the dinner table like we have to do with our daughter after her
daily
programming at school?

Have you got her thinking the earth is 5,000 years old?

No, those are the next door neighbors.

My wife is a real scientist, an analytical chemist. She works with all
of those cool machines you see on CSI.

never have seen the show --- but I can tell the drugs she has given you
have
had done very bad things to your brain.

Drugs? How about heavy metals and dangerous chemicals? She's got this
bucket of mecury and plays with sulfuric acid. And, she knows quite a
bit abotu lithium-ion batteries.

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NoSpam at (no spam) NoThanks.net says...

You make me laugh at your gullibility. Do you need to be
deprogrammed
at
the dinner table like we have to do with our daughter after her
daily
programming at school?

Have you got her thinking the earth is 5,000 years old?

No, those are the next door neighbors.

My wife is a real scientist, an analytical chemist. She works with all
of those cool machines you see on CSI.

never have seen the show --- but I can tell the drugs she has given you
have
had done very bad things to your brain.

Drugs? How about heavy metals and dangerous chemicals? She's got this
bucket of mecury and plays with sulfuric acid. And, she knows quite a
bit abotu lithium-ion batteries.



so maybe we can hope she'll come up with a portable electro-shock device for
you.

In article <clark-3A7533.08194928102009 at (no spam) charm.magnus.acs.ohio-
state.edu>, clark at (no spam) nospam.matsceng.ohio-state.edu says...

So much for your claim that the MSM (except Fox!) is "in the tank"
for
Obama...

Some people have the gift of forsight.

And others have the gift of "foresight". No wonder you have such
problems with the future.


I am glad you are spending so much of your highly valued, by someone,
time to spell check my posts. You should do the same to your own posts.
Your spelling error rate is orders of magnitude higher than mine.

But, I guess that a pedantic prig like you has nothing better to do than
go around and say BAR misspelled a word, BAR misspelled a word. So, keep
at it.

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On 30 Oct 2009 23:57:16 GMT, Carbon <nobrac at (no spam) nospam.tampabay.rr.com
wrote:

Please share with us again how free market economics will keep medical
expenses low, when big healthcare has been exempted from having to
comply with antitrust regulations.

Please share with us how you fail to understand that this is not true.

All health insurance companies negotiate rates with Drs. and Hospitals,
trying to achieve the lowest rate possible. What does antitrust regulations
have to do with this process?

-Greg

Then why do the Republicans try to obstruct and delay on
every single vote instead of accepting Obama's invitation
to have a hand in crafting the reform bill?

False. Flatly and provably false.

Show me what the CBO estimates government expenditures on healthcare
to be in ten years if we do nothing.

Then why do the Republicans try to obstruct and delay on
every single vote instead of accepting Obama's invitation
to have a hand in crafting the reform bill?

They're also supposedly for free speech.

As long as you agree with them the are.

Shut up.

It's called price fixing, which for health insurance companies
includes not only the premiums they charge, but also the amount they
pay to doctors. In reality, the doctors are in a much weaker position
than the policy holders. Most people have PPO insurance and will
usually stay within their network. If a physician isn't happy with
what he/she is getting, the only choice is to leave the network and
lose the patients from that network.

Insurance companies only exist to help people --- no other motives -- just

ask dene

True -- that argument that they make obscene profits is not a very good
one -- but they do charge 31% in overhead adminstrative costs & that is
obscene.

they do neither! the CBO says so;

False. Flatly and provably false.

"Chris Bellomy" <ten.wohsdoog at (no spam) sirhc> wrote in message
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Then why do the Republicans try to obstruct and delay on
every single vote instead of accepting Obama's invitation
to have a hand in crafting the reform bill?

Good Gawd Chris, you know isn't true.

On 1-Nov-2009, Chris Bellomy <ten.wohsdoog at (no spam) sirhc> wrote:

Then why do the Republicans try to obstruct and delay on
every single vote instead of accepting Obama's invitation
to have a hand in crafting the reform bill?

Republicans obstruct? Who is not allowing them any input at all into the
respective bills?