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| John Hurley... |
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Greetings wreck runners! Please tell us about your training week and
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| Michelle... |
| Posted: Sat Oct 24, 2009 3:21 pm |
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In article
<10934611-dd78-46ac-a213-2c87f6787caa at (no spam) k26g2000vbp.googlegroups.com>,
John Hurley <johnbhurley at (no spam) sbcglobal.net> wrote:
Quote: Greetings wreck runners! Please tell us about your training week and
goals.
This was a stepback week; only 21.22 miles.
10/20 3 miles 39:29 (13:09 pace)
10/21 10K 1:15:51 (12:10 pace)
10/22 3 miles 39:54 (13:18 pace)
10/24 9 miles 1:58:35 (13:10 pace)
This week finished the first third of the 18-week training plan. Next week
it kicks up in earnest. Last week, I did 24 miles, but next week it steps
up to 29, adding a mile to each midweek run (4, 7, and 4), with a 14-mile
run on Saturday.
Last year, when I was training for the Nike Women's Marathon, I had to walk
parts of every long run that was 16-miles or longer, and also had to walk
parts (too many parts) of the marathon itself. I'm in a quandary about the
PF Chang marathon: I definitely want to do it, but I also do not want to
walk any part of it. Just finishing it will not be a challenge; I know
that I can do that. Finishing it without walking any part of it will be
the challenge.
If I find that I have to walk during training runs, I'm thinking of
switching to the half marathon and trying for a personal record there.
Running the half without walking would not be a challenge; I've done that
before, on a tougher course. But improving my time would definitely be a
challenge.
The quandary is if I can't finish even 20 miles in training without
walking, should I enter the marathon knowing that I'll most likely have to
walk part of it, or should I switch to the half, knowing that I'll be able
to run the whole thing, and try for a PR.
Anyway, the countdown is
Iron Girl 10 mile race: 3 weeks
Vegas RnR Half Mara: 6 weeks
PF Chang RnR Mara: 12 weeks
Possible plans after that:
half marathon or 10K on Feb 14 (Lost Dutchman)
Phoenix Gay Pride 5K sometime in April. (I won a free entry.)
Xenia, OH half marathon on April 11 (when visiting my daughter, son-in-law,
and grandkids)
Brooklyn half marathon in late May (when visiting NYC for my 50th
high-school reunion)
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| D Stumpus... |
| Posted: Sat Oct 24, 2009 4:30 pm |
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Quote: If I find that I have to walk during training runs, I'm thinking of
switching to the half marathon and trying for a personal record there.
Running the half without walking would not be a challenge; I've done that
before, on a tougher course. But improving my time would definitely be a
challenge.
The quandary is if I can't finish even 20 miles in training without
walking, should I enter the marathon knowing that I'll most likely have to
walk part of it, or should I switch to the half, knowing that I'll be able
to run the whole thing, and try for a PR.
If it's any consolation, I walk a bit in all of my long runs. Today I did
18.6 with about 2400' of climbing, and I walked 3 times, probably 100 yards
each. I also stopped at the halfway point for 2-3 minutes and took in the
views. Each break was at the ned of a long climb. That's pretty typical
for me. I get tired, and it feels good to walk a bit. Now I didn't *have*
to stop, I wasn't keeling over from exhaustion, just felt like taking a
short break.
Among my mountain runner friends (other than the elites), there's most
always some walking in the long runs, or at the very least some 3-5 minute
breaks as we regroup, refill our water bottles, or snack. |
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| Michelle... |
| Posted: Sat Oct 24, 2009 9:24 pm |
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In article <hbvv61$vvl$1 at (no spam) news.eternal-september.org>,
"D Stumpus" <dstumpus.xthis at (no spam) pobox.com> wrote:
Quote: If it's any consolation, I walk a bit in all of my long runs. Today I
did 18.6 with about 2400' of climbing, and I walked 3 times, probably
100 yards each.
Thanks. But the race is a sub ultra distance and is essentially flat. It
goes down 15 feet over the first mile, climbs 150 feet over 8.5 miles,
remains flat for 9.5 miles, and goes down 90 feet over the remaining 8.2
miles.
<http://arizona.competitor.com/files/2009/04/course_elevations.gif>
My training routes are even flatter.
-- Michelle
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| Parker Race... |
| Posted: Sun Oct 25, 2009 7:00 am |
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On Oct 24, 12:12 pm, John Hurley <johnbhur... at (no spam) sbcglobal.net> wrote:
Quote: Greetings wreck runners! Please tell us about your training week and
goals.
M off
T 3 trails
W off
Th 6 roads
F 6.5 (hilly) roads
Sa 8.5 roads
Su 16 trails, awesome run, perfect weather and the usually sandy
trials were soft bu not too soft due to all the rain on Saturday.
Total 40
Goals: the same
Races:
After The leaves 20k
Possible Marathon at the end of November, 10k on T day if not. |
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| Charlie Pendejo... |
| Posted: Sun Oct 25, 2009 7:54 am |
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59 mild October miles, as:
Mo: 7
Tu: 8
We: 7
Th: 6
Fr: 7
Sa: 12 including 10k race
Su: 12
Didn't feel especially perky race morning, didn't run in under 39
minutes as was my time goal. Barely snuck in under 40, at 39:57 on my
watch.
Other hand, I sure can't complain about finishing, best I could tell,
17th our of 3400+.
This race was a Nike production (the "Human Race") in my local park,
and Nike doesn't do nearly as good a job as either NY Road Runners or
the local running clubs who put on races. Too much promotion and
gimmickry, too little attention to fundamentals.
Specifically: [a] I'm serious about "best I can tell" for the
results. The flashy website is useless; I haven't been able to pull
up a list of New York finishers and times. Finally this morning
plugging in my name yielded a gun time (which is, I believe, about ten
seconds off) and a place ranking among the tens of thousands who ran
some edition of the 10k in cities all over the world - but not within
the NY race. A monitor in a tent after the race displayed some
sketchy results when it wasn't showing gratuitous Nike promotional
fluff, and that seemed to indicate I placed #17 (seems about right -
after half a mile, two dozen or fewer people were in front of me, and
I could see 'em all). Though it didn't show 16 people in front of me,
the runners it did list were typically on 2 to 4 consecutive lines
repeated, etc. Runners were actually booing the monitor.
And [b] I don't believe the mile markers, and neither did the couple
runners I asked after the race. There's a couple 100 foot hills which
do have an impact on pace, but having run literally thousands of loops
here and raced it a handful of times, I'm certain I didn't run as
crazy unevenly as: 5:34, 7:01, 6:13, 6:28, 7:51, 5:30 (, 1:20). No
way. The middle miles, maybe, but the first couple and last couple
were not that fast or that slow.
So anyhow, I wasn't sure what kind of AG awards they might be giving
out nor where I placed as a 40+ guy. Figured I'd stick around despite
the chill and my being soaked in sweat, but by an hour and forty
minutes after the race started, still no awards and we were instead
being treated to some horribly cheesy pop music which seemed like its
own Saturday Night Live self-parody. I grumbled to myself and jogged
home, feeling extra curmudgeonly.
Should've taken a day off two or three days before the race, in
retrospect, to be more recovered. Since a surprisingly good finish at
a race 5 weeks ago, I've tacked on 10-20 more weekly miles and
probably the intensity a smidgen most weeks too, on the theory that
"if I'm running this well on so little training, just wait 'til I'm
really working at it!" Well of course to race well now, those "extra"
miles should've been a few months ago, but oh well, maybe my legs will
have absorbed them by Thanksgiving for a 5M Turkey Trot, or mid-Dec
for a 15k. |
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| Charlie Pendejo... |
| Posted: Sun Oct 25, 2009 10:12 am |
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pendejo:
Quote: Barely snuck in under 40, at 39:57 on my watch.
Michelle:
Quote: 40:06 officially. 1028 overall of runners worldwide. 16th overall in NYC.
Thanks. I wonder if they DQ'd a Rosie Ruiz type to move me up one
place? :-)
40:06 sounds more like the correct gun time than the 40:16 I saw
earlier. I was consistently 9-10 seconds behind the gun times shown
at the mile markers (the ones with functional clocks, as opposed to
the ones stuck on 55:55:55) and the finish.
Quote: Brooklyn half marathon in late May (when visiting NYC for my
50th high-school reunion)
Hey hey, my favorite local race! Hope to see you there. Do they know
the date already? Seems to me last year it was up in the air until
after the new year.
I'm surprised there were high schools back then. Did they serve
mastodon burgers in the cafeteria?
I2:
Quote: I bet you are not planning on running this race next year. It is too
bad runners had to put up with this kind of nonsense after braving
out to run on a chilly rainy day.
In fairness the rain was on pause from the time I stepped out the door
until I was in the hot shower. There had been enough that it was
muddy where the postrace festivities were held, which given the
badness of the band (who may be universally beloved by the younger
generation for all I know) gave the scene a bit of a parody-of-
Woodstock feel.
If I'd heard what a fiasco the inaugural edition had been last year in
a different location, I might've skipped this one. At least we had a
legit course to run, not this (courtesy of
http://raceguide.blogspot.com/2008/08/nike-human-race-finding-results-and.html):
-- snip --
The race course itself, however, was abysmal... probably the worst
course I've ever experienced in nearly 30 years of running races.
Randall's Island is not a huge island, making it necessary for runners
to complete two loops of the course. Not a problem with a decent
course, but this one was awful. In many places the course was narrowed
too much by fences, and it had the runners going over construction
areas with potentially tricky footing.
The narrow course became even more narrow when the race staff asked
(politely) runners to stay to the left so that front runners making
their second loop could get by.
At one point the runners had to run over a short bridge over a stream
that was only wide enough for four or five people running abreast.
Imagine hundreds of people trying to cross that bridge at once, with
thousands just behind them, and it's easy to understand why I and many
other runners were literally standing in place for several minutes
until I could cross the bridge.
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| Jos Bergervoet... |
| Posted: Sun Oct 25, 2009 11:42 am |
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On Oct 24, 5:12 pm, John Hurley <johnbhur... at (no spam) sbcglobal.net> wrote:
Quote: Greetings wreck runners! Please tell us about yourtrainingweekand
goals.
Mo - cutting back on carbs
Tu -
We 7km pace increasing to MP
Th 5km 10x200 p1min, 40..45s, followed by carbloading
Fr - carbloading
Sa - carbloading
Su 43km Marathon Brabant, see race report in other post!
Carb loading was one day shorter now, but I still gained 2.5kg weight,
see: http://home.claranet.nl/users/bergervo/running/biometry/
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| Charlie Pendejo... |
| Posted: Sun Oct 25, 2009 11:45 am |
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pendejo:
Quote: I'm surprised there were high schools back then. Did they serve
mastodon burgers in the cafeteria?
Michelle:
Quote: No, but they did serve sarcastic assholes.
Especially in NYC, that's fortunate, otherwise that'd be a lot of
folks going hungry. |
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| Michelle... |
| Posted: Sun Oct 25, 2009 1:08 pm |
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In article
<2a88fdc6-4317-4d30-96c1-0f718ce30c50 at (no spam) u13g2000vbb.googlegroups.com>,
Charlie Pendejo <charlie.pendejo at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote:
Quote: Didn't feel especially perky race morning, didn't run in under 39
minutes as was my time goal. Barely snuck in under 40, at 39:57 on my
watch.
40:06 officially. 1028 overall of runners worldwide. 16th overall in NYC.
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| I2Run... |
| Posted: Sun Oct 25, 2009 1:15 pm |
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Pendejo wrote:
| Didn't feel especially perky race morning, didn't run in under 39
| minutes as was my time goal. Barely snuck in under 40, at 39:57 on my
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| Other hand, I sure can't complain about finishing, best I could tell,
| 17th our of 3400+.
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| This race was a Nike production (the "Human Race") in my local park,
| and Nike doesn't do nearly as good a job as either NY Road Runners or
| the local running clubs who put on races. Too much promotion and
| gimmickry, too little attention to fundamentals.
I bet you are not planning on running this race next year. It is too bad
runners had to put up with this kind of nonsense after braving out to
run on a chilly rainy day. I thought for sure you would clock under
38 min, but 17th overall out of several thousands is pretty impressive.
I am sure rain had some effect too in addition to not enough taper. |
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| I2Run... |
| Posted: Sun Oct 25, 2009 1:42 pm |
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John Hurley wrote:
| Greetings wreck runners! Please tell us about your training week and
| goals.
Mon: 11.5 mi (1300')
Tue: 5.0 mi (450')
Wed: 10.0 mi (800')
Thu: 8.1 mi (700')
Fri: DNR
Sat: 11.7 mi (1300')
Sun: 14.0 mi (1350') of gait analysis
total: 60.3 mi (5900')
Gait analysis:
After discovering the purpose of a footpod that P.K.Kat was inquiring
about in an other thread, I decided to open the box two years after
I had received it as a freebie with Garmin 305 and use it to record my
stride rate over 14 miles. This was done on a 14 mi hilly loop, with
6 miles of climb, 6 miles of drop and another 2 miles of mostly flat.
My average stride rate for the whole distance was 186 per minute.
Most of the up hills, all down hills and the flats recorded the same.
There were a couple of minute variations on the up hills, two of 188
and a 190. I thought all along I had a much quicker stride rate on downs
as compared to the flats and ups as I am much quicker in those sections.
It was an interesting anecdotal information and time to put the pod back
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| Michelle... |
| Posted: Sun Oct 25, 2009 3:21 pm |
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In article
<21bd7671-2716-44e9-a51d-8f9f110edbd7 at (no spam) l34g2000vba.googlegroups.com>,
Charlie Pendejo <charlie.pendejo at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote:
Quote: 40:06 officially. 1028 overall of runners worldwide. 16th overall in NYC.
Thanks. I wonder if they DQ'd a Rosie Ruiz type to move me up one
place? 
Could be; that's what happened when I ran the Nike Women's Marathon last
year. She is now officially listed as DNF. 
<http://ready2beat.com/sports/other/nike-women-s-marathon-race-results/linko
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Quote: Brooklyn half marathon in late May (when visiting NYC for my
50th high-school reunion)
Hey hey, my favorite local race! Hope to see you there. Do they know
the date already? Seems to me last year it was up in the air until
after the new year.
No, they have not listed the date yet, but this year it was on May 30, so
there's a very good chance that the HM will be on the weekend of May 29/30
next year. My HS reunion will be May 27.
Quote: I'm surprised there were high schools back then. Did they serve
mastodon burgers in the cafeteria?
No, but they did serve sarcastic assholes.
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| jobs... |
| Posted: Mon Oct 26, 2009 8:41 am |
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John Hurley wrote:
Quote: Greetings wreck runners! Please tell us about your training week and
goals.
M - -
T - 5 miles on treadmill
(start at (no spam) 8:30, gradually increase to 6:45 midway, back up to 8:30)
W - 8 miles hilly at (no spam) 8:00-10:00
T - AM: 4.5 miles at (no spam) 9:00
PM: 4.5 miles on treadmill at (no spam) 8:30
F - -
S - 6.5 miles hilly at (no spam) 9:00
S - 4.5 miles on treadmill at (no spam) 8:00
total: 33 miles
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| Daniel... |
| Posted: Mon Oct 26, 2009 9:15 am |
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Training Week Ending October 25, 2009
Mon Weights 1/2 hour
Tue half hour run
Wed walk 40 minutes
Thu run ~ 40 minutes
Fri Walk 50 minutes
Sat 0
Sun 5K RACE plus warmup, cooldown...
The 5K was first even-tempo-escalating-effort race (meaning I didn't start too
fast and burn out at 3K point) since I-don't-know-when. I've been so slow
lately I don't even want to talk about time and pace -- but it was significantly
faster than my average training pace of late. And -- my daughter beat me! I
didn't pace her and *let* her beat me, she beat me fair and square! That was --
awesome!
Goals: add / increase length on weekly "long run"; try to go move outdoors five
times per week. When I get a few 70 to 80 minute runs in that don't require too
much extra recovery, I want to take stock and decide whether to train for this
road HM:
http://www.oaklandmarathon.com/Race_Information/halfmarathon.htm
A lot of the club members are doing the full or the half. . . It's 20+ weeks
away. I'm trying to get optimistic, but first things first: grow the long runs
back.
Peace,
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