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Bart Mathias...
Posted: Mon Oct 26, 2009 1:36 pm
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Michelle wrote:
Quote:
In article
21bd7671-2716-44e9-a51d-8f9f110edbd7 at (no spam) l34g2000vba.googlegroups.com>,
Charlie Pendejo <charlie.pendejo at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote:

[...]
I'm surprised there were high schools back then. Did they serve
mastodon burgers in the cafeteria?

No, but they did serve sarcastic assholes.

How in the world do they cook them?
 
John Hurley...
Posted: Mon Oct 26, 2009 3:00 pm
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On Oct 26, 5:42 pm, "D Stumpus" <dstumpus.xt... at (no spam) pobox.com> wrote:

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Lowest mileage week in a couple of years, I think.  Just not motivated, I
guess.  It's probably a good thing for someone as compulsive about running
nearly every day as me to back off...

I think I had about 50 miles in last week also. Actually took 2 days
off running ... shocking eh?

I don't think you and I will receive much sympathy from most everyone
else out here for dogging it with a 50 mile week.

C'est la vie.
 
D Stumpus...
Posted: Mon Oct 26, 2009 3:42 pm
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Lowest mileage week in a couple of years, I think. Just not motivated, I
guess. It's probably a good thing for someone as compulsive about running
nearly every day as me to back off...

Mon: off Busy, just didn't feel like it.
Tue: 12 mi, 2400' climb, felt ok.
Wed: 7 mi, 1000' climb. Recovery. Walked some 10% grades.
Thu: 12 mi, 2400' climb, felt pretty good, quicker than Tuesday.
Fri: off Started to warm up, felt awful, got back in car.
Sat: 18.6 2400' climb, felt pretty good, except for 1+ miles too hard at
mile 8.**
Sun: off Busy, to hell with it.

Total 49 irresolute miles. 8200' climb.

** I'm descending, and I tend to run about 7:00/mile or faster on downhills
when I'm feeling ok (and I was). I hear quick steps approaching from
behind -- hmm must be a fast guy. He catches me, I pick up the pace, and so
does he. I'm straining now, but we exchange pleasantries. I ask him about
how his racing is going since it's pretty obvious he's a seriously fast
runner. He said that his last big race was the AC100, and he won it.
O-keeee.

Anyway, he wasn't in the mood to slog with me and slowly pulled away, after
talking a bit about his recovery from a broken leg (mountain climbing
accident). I got the hint and returned to a "sustainable" (that word is
all the rage lately) pace.
 
D Stumpus...
Posted: Mon Oct 26, 2009 4:00 pm
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"Bart Mathias" <mathias at (no spam) hawaii.edu> wrote

Quote:
Definitely over the hill. One puzzle--if it's downhill from here on
out, why isn't it easier than before?

Count on about 1% slowdown a year on average, given similar training, after
age 38.

It doesn't feel any more difficult, it just takes longer :)

I'm about 23-27% slower than I was at my peak in the mid-80's...my 10k has
gone from 33 to 41 minutes.
 
anders...
Posted: Mon Oct 26, 2009 9:37 pm
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On Oct 25, 7:54 pm, Charlie Pendejo <charlie.pend... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote:

Quote:
Didn't feel especially perky race morning, didn't run in under 39
minutes as was my time goal.  Barely snuck in under 40, at 39:57 on my
watch.

Thus kindly giving me my Nelson Muntz moment of the year: my SB beats
your SB by a margin of several seconds! To my slight surprise, I found
out that on a regime of 15 hrs on an Olmo for each hour in NBs it is
much harder to accomplish a sub-1:30 half than a sub-40 10K. (In fact
it was so difficult that I failed twice on the former. But I told
myself on both occasions that my main objective was to pick up the T-
shirt.)



Quote:
Should've taken a day off two or three days before the race, in
retrospect, to be more recovered.  Since a surprisingly good finish at
a race 5 weeks ago, I've tacked on 10-20 more weekly miles and
probably the intensity a smidgen most weeks too, on the theory that
"if I'm running this well on so little training, just wait 'til I'm
really working at it!"  Well of course to race well now, those "extra"
miles should've been a few months ago, but oh well, maybe my legs will
have absorbed them by Thanksgiving for a 5M Turkey Trot, or mid-Dec
for a 15k.

There are some training errors that one just loves to make again and
again! In hindsight, a day of rest on the last but one day before the
race could have made a difference - but, alas, at our age there are
good days and there are bad days...


Anders
 
Charlie Pendejo...
Posted: Tue Oct 27, 2009 3:46 am
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pendejo:
Quote:
 Barely snuck in under 40, at 39:57 on my watch.

anders:
Quote:
Thus kindly giving me my Nelson Muntz moment of the year:

Ha ha!


Quote:
my SB beats your SB by a margin of several seconds!

Nicely done. When was yours? Is the S definitively over? (Well OK,
I'm not sufficiently motivated to search out another 10k any time soon
to try to knock off a second or two per km.)


Quote:
To my slight surprise, I found out that on a regime of 15 hrs on
an Olmo for each hour in NBs it is much harder to accomplish a
sub-1:30 half than a sub-40 10K.

I'm pretty sure an Olmo is neither a Muppet, an Israeli prime
minister, nor a Scandinavian capital city. More likely a piece of
gear for some aerobic pursuit or another?
 
Bart Mathias...
Posted: Tue Oct 27, 2009 7:28 pm
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D Stumpus wrote:
Quote:
"Bart Mathias" <mathias at (no spam) hawaii.edu> wrote

Definitely over the hill. One puzzle--if it's downhill from here on
out, why isn't it easier than before?

Count on about 1% slowdown a year on average, given similar training, after
age 38.

It doesn't feel any more difficult, it just takes longer :)

I'm about 23-27% slower than I was at my peak in the mid-80's...my 10k has
gone from 33 to 41 minutes.

I didn't start to really slow down until long after age 38 (if I had,
the disappointment might have discouraged me from continuing for a third
year). I continued to get PRs (aka PBs) in more than half my races until
I was 52, when successive years of plantar fasciitis and achilles
tendinitis slowed me down.

When I turned 57 I started a long string of PWs. My 10K has gone from 40
minutes to an hour sometimes.

That's 50% in 22 years, or over 2% a year (except this is probably a
case for differential calculus, which I have completely forgotten). It's
that "given similar training" that is the real rub. I just can't manage
30 to 50 miles a week at 7~8 minute pace anymore. <sob>

Bart
 
anders...
Posted: Tue Oct 27, 2009 9:14 pm
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On Oct 27, 3:46 pm, Charlie Pendejo <charlie.pend... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote:

Quote:
Nicely done.  When was yours?  Is the S definitively over?  (Well OK,
I'm not sufficiently motivated to search out another 10k any time soon
to try to knock off a second or two per km.)

Mid-September. That is, when my cycling mileage had peaked at 500+ km
per week and I had a thin but steady row of 1-2 weekly "Kenyan
style" (40-60 min with a slow-as-I-can start and a fast-but-easy
finish) runs.

I hope to knock off a few seconds on Saturday on a somewhat short but
hilly course, but I appreciate that you don't wish to rob me of my one
running glory this year.


Quote:
I'm pretty sure an Olmo is neither a Muppet, an Israeli prime
minister, nor a Scandinavian capital city.  More likely a piece of
gear for some aerobic pursuit or another?

I had to look it up in Wikipedia to get the reference to Elmo, but
your hunch is spot-on. I still have more pairs of running shoes than I
have cycles or indeed wheels, but the thought process of why I would
still need another one is an entirely familiar one.


Anders

PS I am currently in my second week of three runs and I have
discovered that I don't like skiing indoors and in a very small circle
as much as I imagined. Maybe I will also re-discover the irresistible
thrill of running and - knowing my near-monomaniac tendencies - I can
join you and Jos in your pursuit of fulfillment on the marathon
distance in 2010?
 
Charlie Pendejo...
Posted: Wed Oct 28, 2009 12:28 am
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anders:
Quote:
I am currently in my second week of three runs and I have
discovered that I don't like skiing indoors and in a very small circle
as much as I imagined. Maybe I will also re-discover the irresistible
thrill of running and - knowing my near-monomaniac tendencies - I can
join you and Jos in your pursuit of fulfillment on the marathon
distance in 2010?

The more, the merri...

Bah, who am I kidding. Misery loves company. And two's company,
(sub-)three is vowed. (ugh, I know - more misery)
 
pithydoug...
Posted: Wed Oct 28, 2009 1:26 am
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On Oct 26, 9:00 pm, John Hurley <johnbhur... at (no spam) sbcglobal.net> wrote:
Quote:
On Oct 26, 5:42 pm, "D Stumpus" <dstumpus.xt... at (no spam) pobox.com> wrote:

snip

Lowest mileage week in a couple of years, I think.  Just not motivated, I
guess.  It's probably a good thing for someone as compulsive about running
nearly every day as me to back off...

I think I had about 50 miles in last week also.  Actually took 2 days
off running ... shocking eh?

A little delayed oomph from oilcreek? Don't forget the power of
rest.

-D
 
D Stumpus...
Posted: Wed Oct 28, 2009 1:54 pm
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"Bart Mathias" <mathias at (no spam) hawaii.edu> wrote

Quote:
I didn't start to really slow down until long after age 38 (if I had, the
disappointment might have discouraged me from continuing for a third
year). I continued to get PRs (aka PBs) in more than half my races until I
was 52, when successive years of plantar fasciitis and achilles tendinitis
slowed me down.

When I turned 57 I started a long string of PWs. My 10K has gone from 40
minutes to an hour sometimes.

That's 50% in 22 years, or over 2% a year (except this is probably a case
for differential calculus, which I have completely forgotten). It's that
"given similar training" that is the real rub. I just can't manage 30 to
50 miles a week at 7~8 minute pace anymore. <sob

It's not just the "similar training", it's the "same weight" too Smile.

I trained to the max when younger, 95 mpw, two speed workouts and a race
most weeks, etc. So it was all downhill, although very gradually, after 40
for me.

Considering I train fewer miles and am 8-10 lbs heavier, I have no
complaints, other than missing the days when almost no one could pass me in
a workout Smile
 
dizzy...
Posted: Wed Oct 28, 2009 6:41 pm
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John Hurley wrote:

Quote:
Greetings wreck runners! Please tell us about your training week and
goals.

Three good runs in the last 5 days - a nice "long" run of 5.5 miles, a
"fast" 4.2, and a hilly 4 today.

Hope the weather holds-out a month or two longer. Indoor running and
treadmills (yech) await.
 
pithydoug...
Posted: Thu Oct 29, 2009 3:00 am
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On Oct 28, 3:54 pm, "D Stumpus" <dstumpus.xt... at (no spam) pobox.com> wrote:
Quote:
"Bart Mathias" <math... at (no spam) hawaii.edu> wrote

Considering I train fewer miles and am 8-10 lbs heavier, I have no
complaints, other than missing the days when almost no one could pass me in
a workout Smile

Or the students grow to kick the teacher's ass. Smile :)

-D
 
pithydoug...
Posted: Fri Oct 30, 2009 12:14 am
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On Oct 25, 5:21 pm, Michelle <miche... at (no spam) michelle.org> wrote:
Quote:
In article
21bd7671-2716-44e9-a51d-8f9f110ed... at (no spam) l34g2000vba.googlegroups.com>,
 Charlie Pendejo <charlie.pend... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote:


Quote:
I'm surprised there were high schools back then.  Did they serve
mastodon burgers in the cafeteria?

They were one room with an outside loo. The food may have been
terradactyl - yesterdays answer to the chicken.
Quote:

No, but they did serve sarcastic assholes.

M(I'l use the single letter so I don't spell it wrong and catch hell),
You having a bad week? You're not usually this bitchy.

-D
 
pithydoug...
Posted: Fri Oct 30, 2009 12:22 am
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On Oct 26, 5:42 pm, "D Stumpus" <dstumpus.xt... at (no spam) pobox.com> wrote:
Quote:
Lowest mileage week in a couple of years, I think.  Just not motivated, I
guess.  It's probably a good thing for someone as compulsive about running
nearly every day as me to back off...


Have you ever tried to run just a few flat miles a day for a week and
then slowly ramping back up? If you can survive writing small numbers
in your log book, it has a incredible rejuvenating effect both
mentally and physically. Rest is not a dirty word. ;)

-D
 
 
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