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Thomas Lumley...
Posted: Sat Oct 24, 2009 3:01 pm
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Hi,

I'm in (fairly urban) north Seattle and I've been watching a pair of
birds at a nyjer seed feeder, which I can't identify from Fisher's
"Birds of Seattle" or the web resources I've looked at. If anyone has
any suggestions, I'd be grateful.

The birds are about the size of a sparrow. They are eating the nyjer
seeds and have appropriate-looking beaks for seed eating.

They are pale brown below, mid-brown above, with barred black and pale
brown wings. They have a pale line under the eye, but not a ring
around the eye. The back of the neck is greyish and slightly lighter
than the back or crown. There is a definite yellow patch on the
throat.

Their behavior isn't particularly notable -- not especially aggressive
or shy or fidgety or anything. They don't perch upside down or at
strange angles.

-thomas
 
Josh Hayes...
Posted: Sun Oct 25, 2009 11:38 pm
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Thomas Lumley <thomas at (no spam) drizzle.net> wrote in news:1a51b4af-526a-46da-
81b6-3f4d685efbf7 at (no spam) g23g2000vbr.googlegroups.com:

Quote:

Hi,

I'm in (fairly urban) north Seattle and I've been watching a pair of
birds at a nyjer seed feeder, which I can't identify from Fisher's
"Birds of Seattle" or the web resources I've looked at. If anyone has
any suggestions, I'd be grateful.

The birds are about the size of a sparrow. They are eating the nyjer
seeds and have appropriate-looking beaks for seed eating.

They are pale brown below, mid-brown above, with barred black and pale
brown wings. They have a pale line under the eye, but not a ring
around the eye. The back of the neck is greyish and slightly lighter
than the back or crown. There is a definite yellow patch on the
throat.

Their behavior isn't particularly notable -- not especially aggressive
or shy or fidgety or anything. They don't perch upside down or at
strange angles.

-thomas


Thomas,

I too live in fairly urban north Seattle, and I can tell you I have
several finchy species coming through about now.

I'd suggest checking fall coloring for migrant sparrows -- I have
approximately one zillion immature white-crowned sparrows in my yard
even as we speak (well, probably not -- it's, like, 2230 hr). If they're
eating niger seed, and a yellow patch on the throat, check out immature
goldfinches. If there are little snatches of yellow on the trailing wing
coverts, think siskins.

If you'd like to drop a note to a local birder, feel free to email me at
josh at blarg dot net. My yard list is stuck; nothing new at all for a
couple of months.

Best of luck! If you remain stumped, and can get some pics, post 'em to
alt.binaries.birds.

-Josh
 
Martin Jensen...
Posted: Mon Oct 26, 2009 7:53 am
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Stumped! Out here in the East, don't know of a finch with a line below the eye.
LIght neck above and yellow patch (presumably small) in front doesn't sound like
Goldfinch, which has black wings with white bars.

I'd suggest a Dickcissel if it were not so far to the West out of range. Is
there a Western variant of this bird?

We had a tan-barred-wings finch identified here a few weeks ago as a female Blue
Grosbeak, but that would be larger than most sparrows. Size may be important
here, and sparrows range from very small Chippers to Fox and House.

Martin

Thomas Lumley wrote:
Quote:
Hi,

I'm in (fairly urban) north Seattle and I've been watching a pair of
birds at a nyjer seed feeder, which I can't identify from Fisher's
"Birds of Seattle" or the web resources I've looked at. If anyone has
any suggestions, I'd be grateful.

The birds are about the size of a sparrow. They are eating the nyjer
seeds and have appropriate-looking beaks for seed eating.

They are pale brown below, mid-brown above, with barred black and pale
brown wings. They have a pale line under the eye, but not a ring
around the eye. The back of the neck is greyish and slightly lighter
than the back or crown. There is a definite yellow patch on the
throat.

Their behavior isn't particularly notable -- not especially aggressive
or shy or fidgety or anything. They don't perch upside down or at
strange angles.

-thomas
 
Thomas Lumley...
Posted: Mon Oct 26, 2009 1:21 pm
Guest
I've posted three photos to
http://picasaweb.google.com/tslauckl/Birds1

More precise size information: they are slightly smaller than a House
Sparrow.

-thomas
 
Martin Jensen...
Posted: Mon Oct 26, 2009 5:52 pm
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Thomas Lumley wrote:
Quote:
I've posted three photos to
http://picasaweb.google.com/tslauckl/Birds1

More precise size information: they are slightly smaller than a House
Sparrow.

-thomas

Thanks for the pics and the size description.

Now I am ready to declare: I'm stumped.

Martin
 
3Putt in Coastal SC...
Posted: Mon Oct 26, 2009 6:00 pm
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"Martin Jensen" <hawkeye96 at (no spam) comcast.net> wrote in message
news:hc5coc$uib$1 at (no spam) news.eternal-september.org...
Quote:
Thomas Lumley wrote:
I've posted three photos to
http://picasaweb.google.com/tslauckl/Birds1

More precise size information: they are slightly smaller than a House
Sparrow.

-thomas

Thanks for the pics and the size description.

Now I am ready to declare: I'm stumped.

Martin

Give a bird book a try. It appears exactly as pictured and is smaller than
a Sparrow.
 
Martin Jensen...
Posted: Mon Oct 26, 2009 10:23 pm
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3Putt in Coastal SC wrote:
Quote:
"Martin Jensen" <hawkeye96 at (no spam) comcast.net> wrote in message
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Thomas Lumley wrote:
I've posted three photos to
http://picasaweb.google.com/tslauckl/Birds1

More precise size information: they are slightly smaller than a
House Sparrow.

-thomas

Thanks for the pics and the size description.

Now I am ready to declare: I'm stumped.

Martin

Give a bird book a try. It appears exactly as pictured and is
smaller than a Sparrow.

What is the "it" that appears exactly as pictured? I didn't find "it" in any of
my bird books.
 
Martin Jensen...
Posted: Tue Oct 27, 2009 12:44 pm
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3Putt in Coastal SC wrote:
Quote:
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3Putt in Coastal SC wrote:
"Martin Jensen" <hawkeye96 at (no spam) comcast.net> wrote in message
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Thomas Lumley wrote:
I've posted three photos to
http://picasaweb.google.com/tslauckl/Birds1

More precise size information: they are slightly smaller than a
House Sparrow.

-thomas

Thanks for the pics and the size description.

Now I am ready to declare: I'm stumped.

Martin

Give a bird book a try. It appears exactly as pictured and is
smaller than a Sparrow.

What is the "it" that appears exactly as pictured? I didn't find
"it" in any of
my bird books.


Just won't give up, will ya?

Thanks for your "friendly" response, Jerry. A simple answer would have been OK.

Martin
 
Leon Fisk...
Posted: Tue Oct 27, 2009 12:45 pm
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On Tue, 27 Oct 2009 07:55:28 -0700 (PDT), Thomas Lumley
<thomas at (no spam) drizzle.net> wrote:

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On Oct 27, 5:02 am, jadel <delco... at (no spam) ab.edu> wrote:
On second thought, they are most likely just female goldfinches in non-
breeding plumage, but they definitely are goldfinches.

The illustrations in Sibley are very clear.

Thanks much. I will check Sibley.

From photos on the web there seems to be considerable variation in how
much gold there is on female goldfinches.


-thomas

There are some images here:

http://www.allaboutbirds.org/guide/American_Goldfinch/id

Note that if you click on the goofy bar with the "dots" in
the middle just above the group of three images it will
rotate three more in place.

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Larry Sheldon...
Posted: Tue Oct 27, 2009 12:53 pm
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Do we need a "time out" here?
 
Larry Sheldon...
Posted: Tue Oct 27, 2009 12:55 pm
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Leon Fisk wrote:

Quote:
Note that if you click on the goofy bar with the "dots" in
the middle just above the group of three images it will
rotate three more in place.

I never figured that out before!

Thanks.
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Martin Jensen...
Posted: Wed Oct 28, 2009 7:25 am
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jadel wrote:
Quote:
They are immature goldfinches.

J. Del Col

The pics and Cornell web site prove that you're dead right.

Martin
 
 
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