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Steve...
Posted: Fri Oct 23, 2009 6:07 pm
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Ok only 2 weeks to go until the MN rifle season starts so lets get
some action going!?! First question: Just wondering how most hunters
hang their deer to process? We've always hung ours head up but have
always had trouble getting alot of hair on the meat when taking the
hide off. Then its a hassle to get the hair off the meat. Sometimes
end up picking it off one hair strand at a time. This year we plan to
hang with the hind legs up using a gambrell hanger. If we are so
lucky enough to get a deer that is... Wondering if removing the hide
is any way easier and if getting hair on the meat would be less of a
problem?? Would appreciate any help on this. second question: My
wife, if she gets a deer, would really like to gut it out herself this
year. She has been assisting me doing this the past few years. She
wants to get a good knife and is interested in the swing blade knife
that has been advertized on some of the hunting shows and is in the
Bass Pro and Cabellas catalogs (sells for about $60). Has anyone had
any experience with this knife and would it be worth the money??
Thanks again for any opinions on this!
Steve
 
John Grossbohlin...
Posted: Fri Oct 23, 2009 7:12 pm
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"Steve" <kskenter at (no spam) 2z.net> wrote in message
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Quote:
Ok only 2 weeks to go until the MN rifle season starts so lets get
some action going!?! First question: Just wondering how most hunters
hang their deer to process? We've always hung ours head up but have
always had trouble getting alot of hair on the meat when taking the
hide off. Then its a hassle to get the hair off the meat. Sometimes
end up picking it off one hair strand at a time. This year we plan to
hang with the hind legs up using a gambrell hanger. If we are so
lucky enough to get a deer that is... Wondering if removing the hide
is any way easier and if getting hair on the meat would be less of a
problem?? Would appreciate any help on this. second question: My
wife, if she gets a deer, would really like to gut it out herself this
year. She has been assisting me doing this the past few years. She
wants to get a good knife and is interested in the swing blade knife
that has been advertized on some of the hunting shows and is in the
Bass Pro and Cabellas catalogs (sells for about $60). Has anyone had
any experience with this knife and would it be worth the money??
Thanks again for any opinions on this!
Steve

I hang 'em head down using a homemade pine gambrel and chain hoist. If I
get the hide off while the carcass is still warm it's a lot easier and there
is less hair. The older and colder the deer is the harder it is to get the
hide off and the more hair there is on the meat.

The chain hoist allows me to get the carcass at just the right height for
easy butchering. I bone the meat while it's hanging and let gravity help
me... I don't take the skeleton apart except for chopping it at the end of
the rib cage so there are two pieces so it fits in the trash easier.

John
 
Long Ranger...
Posted: Fri Oct 23, 2009 11:07 pm
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Quote:
Ok only 2 weeks to go until the MN rifle season starts so lets get
some action going!?! First question: Just wondering how most hunters
hang their deer to process? We've always hung ours head up but have
always had trouble getting alot of hair on the meat when taking the
hide off. Then its a hassle to get the hair off the meat. Sometimes
end up picking it off one hair strand at a time. This year we plan to
hang with the hind legs up using a gambrell hanger. If we are so
lucky enough to get a deer that is... Wondering if removing the hide
is any way easier and if getting hair on the meat would be less of a
problem?? Would appreciate any help on this. second question: My
wife, if she gets a deer, would really like to gut it out herself this
year. She has been assisting me doing this the past few years. She
wants to get a good knife and is interested in the swing blade knife
that has been advertized on some of the hunting shows and is in the
Bass Pro and Cabellas catalogs (sells for about $60). Has anyone had
any experience with this knife and would it be worth the money??
Thanks again for any opinions on this!
Steve


Although I have seen photos of what you describe, I can't ever remember
seeing any one in person hang a deer "head up". Lots of folks (me) like to
take a rag soaked in cider vinegar to the deer after it's skinned to get
hair and debris off. It repels the hornets until you can get a bag on it, or
inside a cooler. It all goes away in a short time. I use straight vinegar,
with a bowl underneath to catch the drips, and can be re-used as you go
along up to a point, depending on how much blood etc get in it.
 
pheasant16...
Posted: Sat Oct 24, 2009 4:38 am
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Steve wrote:
Quote:
Ok only 2 weeks to go until the MN rifle season starts so lets get
some action going!?! First question: Just wondering how most hunters
hang their deer to process?

By the hind legs. I make cuts between tendon and muscle to hang them,
then skin while still warm, it comes right off. The only time I need a
knife is to make the cuts around the legs. I use my hand and rub the
skin away from the carcass. May take a couple extra minutes, but no
hair to deal with. Then when you have it pulled down to the neck, get
the saw and cut the neck and front legs off.

The only hair is from opening the body cavity to eviscerate it, and my
brother in law says we should take the hides off first, then eviscerate
so we wouldn't have any hair. Will let him see how it goes before I
jump in. Still don't think we want gut piles around the yard or have to
make a trip to the dump. Let the scavengers find 'em in the field.

Mark
 
Frank...
Posted: Sat Oct 24, 2009 5:49 am
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On Oct 23, 8:07 pm, Steve <ksken... at (no spam) 2z.net> wrote:
Quote:
Ok only 2 weeks to go until the MN rifle season starts so lets get
some action going!?!  First question:  Just wondering how most hunters
hang their deer to process?  We've always hung ours head up but have
always had trouble getting alot of hair on the meat when taking the
hide off.  Then its a hassle to get the hair off the meat.  Sometimes
end up picking it off one hair strand at a time.  This year we plan to
hang with the hind legs up using a gambrell hanger.  If we are so
lucky enough to get a deer that is... Wondering if removing the hide
is any way easier and if getting hair on the meat would be less of a
problem??  Would appreciate any help on this.  second question:  My
wife, if she gets a deer, would really like to gut it out herself this
year.  She has been assisting me doing this the past few years.  She
wants to get a good knife and is interested in the swing blade knife
that has been advertized on some of the hunting shows and is in the
Bass Pro and Cabellas catalogs (sells for about $60).  Has anyone had
any experience with this knife and would it be worth the money??
Thanks again for any opinions on this!
Steve

I hang by back legs but first cut hide above leg area, strip down
towards body and cut off legs.
Do same for front as it makes hide removal easier. Since it is
generally warm around here in early bow and muzzleloader seasons, I
remove hide and quarter on day of kill. When weather is cold, I'll
hang by head as drainage is better if you're waiting a while to remove
hide.

When you cut around legs, slit hide down legs and circle from under
hide to cut. If you make leg cut from outside, you'll cut a lot of
hair and it's messier to keep off meat.

For knife, I like my Buck folding hunter. I use in the field and to
remove hide. Traveling light in the field I have a cheap, 2 inch
folding Cabela's knife, that I've gutted a couple of deer with.

In field, I gut asap to get out blood and heat.
 
Beartooth...
Posted: Sat Oct 24, 2009 9:45 am
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On Sat, 24 Oct 2009 05:38:20 -0500, pheasant16 wrote:
[...]
Quote:
my
brother in law says we should take the hides off first, then eviscerate
so we wouldn't have any hair. Will let him see how it goes before I
jump in.

I do that often with squirrels in Appalachia, so that I have
running water to rinse off the carcass before I open it -- and I get away
with it, because a squirrel is small enough to cool clear through fast
enough.

You *might* get away with it with deer in Minnesota if you do the
whole job right when you first get to the deer -- IF you also have a way
to drag a skinned deer out without getting it dirty (like if the snow is
deep enough).

Rule Zero for care of meat in the field has always been to get
the body cavity empty and the meat cooled as fast as practicable. Even if
you're hunting well North of Duluth, I'd be mighty skeptical about the
flavor of your BIL's deer.

--
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I have precious (very precious!) little idea where up is.
 
Alex Vitek...
Posted: Sat Oct 24, 2009 10:18 am
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At 01:07 AM 10/24/2009, Long Ranger wrote:
Quote:
Lots of folks (me) like to
take a rag soaked in cider vinegar to the deer after it's skinned to get
hair and debris off. It repels the hornets until you can get a bag on it, or
inside a cooler. It all goes away in a short time. I use straight vinegar,
with a bowl underneath to catch the drips, and can be re-used as you go
along up to a point, depending on how much blood etc get in it.

The vinegar not only will keep some of the hornets and and other
flying critters away but will keep down the bacteria count on the
surface. The acid content will protect against a fast bacteria growth
while you are processing.

I will use a vinegar soaked cloth to clean the surfaces of the
cutting boards while making sausage. Doing this every 5-10 minutes
cannot hurt and does not have an effect on the taste of the sausage.
Like you mention the liquid will evaporate quickly.


Alex Vitek <alexvit at (no spam) ix.netcom.com>
http://home.ix.netcom.com/~alexvit/outdoor/amv.htm
 
Steve at (no spam) OutdoorFrontiers.com...
Posted: Sat Oct 24, 2009 1:58 pm
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"pheasant16" <kiavan02 at (no spam) yahoo.com> wrote in message <SNIP>

Quote:
The only hair is from opening the body cavity to eviscerate it, and my
brother in law says we should take the hides off first, then eviscerate so
we wouldn't have any hair. Will let him see how it goes before I jump in.
Still don't think we want gut piles around the yard or have to make a trip
to the dump. Let the scavengers find 'em in the field.

Mark,

A couple years ago, a friend from Texas came to visit me in northern
Wisconsin. We grilled a couple of venison steaks on the grill and what we
didn't realie, was that my friend Rob didn't really like venison, but was
too polite to say so.

After dinner (which he ate two good sized steaks), he asked what the meat
was. When we told him simply whitetail steaks, he couldn't believe it,
saying he'd never had such wonderful tasting deer meat in his life, and he
deer hunted for years. He asked my wife what she marinated the steaks in,
and she said the only prep she'd done was salt and pepper.

He asked me what I'd done to the deer and I said, "the only thing I did was
shoot it, field dress it, then brought it home, immediately skinned it,
boned it, trimmed it and put it in the freezer. He looked at me blankly and
asked, "Field Dress It?"

It turned out that in his part of Texas, they shoot a deer, then bring it
back intact where its hung, skinned, boned out while hanging and the guts
are never removed as when it's hanging head down, all the "guts" fall into
the rib cage. Then once the meat is off, the entire carcass is then hauled
off to someplace for the coyotes.

He now field dresses his deer and says the quality of the meat is much
better.

I think you might want to show this to your brother in law.

And if you're worried about hair on the meat, try to make your cuts in the
direction the hair lies, with the blade coming up from the bottom, (hide
side) and then cut upwards. Doing this will cut through less hair and
there'll be less on the meat. This is the way you can easily hand pick the
few remaining hairs off.
 
Long Ranger...
Posted: Sat Oct 24, 2009 10:49 pm
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The only hair is from opening the body cavity to eviscerate it, and my
brother in law says we should take the hides off first, then eviscerate
so we wouldn't have any hair. Will let him see how it goes before I jump
in. Still don't think we want gut piles around the yard or have to make a
trip to the dump. Let the scavengers find 'em in the field.

Mark,

A couple years ago, a friend from Texas came to visit me in northern
Wisconsin. We grilled a couple of venison steaks on the grill and what we
didn't realie, was that my friend Rob didn't really like venison, but was
too polite to say so.

After dinner (which he ate two good sized steaks), he asked what the meat
was. When we told him simply whitetail steaks, he couldn't believe it,
saying he'd never had such wonderful tasting deer meat in his life, and he
deer hunted for years. He asked my wife what she marinated the steaks in,
and she said the only prep she'd done was salt and pepper.

He asked me what I'd done to the deer and I said, "the only thing I did
was shoot it, field dress it, then brought it home, immediately skinned
it, boned it, trimmed it and put it in the freezer. He looked at me
blankly and asked, "Field Dress It?"

It turned out that in his part of Texas, they shoot a deer, then bring it
back intact where its hung, skinned, boned out while hanging and the guts
are never removed as when it's hanging head down, all the "guts" fall into
the rib cage. Then once the meat is off, the entire carcass is then
hauled off to someplace for the coyotes.

He now field dresses his deer and says the quality of the meat is much
better.


Who knows, he might have even discovered the tenderloins in there.
 
Steve at (no spam) OutdoorFrontiers.com...
Posted: Sun Oct 25, 2009 9:34 am
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"Long Ranger" <worpylorp at (no spam) COMCAST.NET> wrote in message<SNIP>
Quote:

Who knows, he might have even discovered the tenderloins in there.

I did ask about that. Evidently the guts fell far enough down that they
could get the tenderloins out. But I can only imagine what that meat tasted
like after having internal organ damage from a shot, then stewing in body
heat generated gut juice!

I think I'll put up with some hair on the meat and risk getting dirt in the
body cavity and continue to field dress my deer.
 
Steve...
Posted: Sun Oct 25, 2009 10:51 am
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On Oct 24, 2:58 pm, "Steve at (no spam) OutdoorFrontiers.com" <go-
fish... at (no spam) charter.net> wrote:

Quote:
A couple years ago, a friend from Texas came to visit me in northern
Wisconsin.  We grilled a couple of venison steaks on the grill and what we
didn't realie, was that my friend Rob didn't really like venison, but was
too polite to say so.

After dinner (which he ate two good sized steaks), he asked what the meat
was.  When we told him simply whitetail steaks, he couldn't believe it,
saying he'd never had such wonderful tasting deer meat in his life, and he
deer hunted for years.  He asked my wife what she marinated the steaks in,
and she said the only prep she'd done was salt and pepper.

He asked me what I'd done to the deer and I said, "the only thing I did was
shoot it, field dress it, then brought it home, immediately skinned it,
boned it, trimmed it and put it in the freezer.  He looked at me blankly and
asked, "Field Dress It?"

It turned out that in his part of Texas, they shoot a deer, then bring it
back intact where its hung, skinned, boned out while hanging and the guts
are never removed as when it's hanging head down, all the "guts" fall into
the rib cage.  Then once the meat is off, the entire carcass is then hauled
off to someplace for the coyotes.

He now field dresses his deer and says the quality of the meat is much
better.


Very peculiar....... I was just watching a "hunting show" the other
day where they were bowhunting trophy (of course) whitetail deer down
in Texas.. They were also apparently being sponsored by one of the
side by side 4 wheeler manufatcurers as they were wheeling around
quite alot on one. Then towards the end of the show after the trophy
deer was procured they showed the hunters driving off with the deer
loaded onto the flatbed rack on the back with the deer facing back
towards the camera and the belly fully exposed and there wasn't a mark
on it??? I wondered...... Geezzz, they didn't even gut it out?? I
thought maybe they didnt want to get their nice new side by side
bloodied up or something??? Must have been alot of work lifting that
nice big buck up there....
Steve
 
Steve...
Posted: Sun Oct 25, 2009 11:04 am
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On Oct 24, 6:49 am, Frank <frank.logu... at (no spam) dol.net> wrote:
Quote:
I hang by back legs but first cut hide above leg area, strip down
towards body and cut off legs.
Do same for front as it makes hide removal easier.  Since it is
generally warm around here in early bow and muzzleloader seasons, I
remove hide and quarter on day of kill.  When weather is cold, I'll
hang by head as drainage is better if you're waiting a while to remove
hide.

When you cut around legs, slit hide down legs and circle from under
hide to cut.  If you make leg cut from outside, you'll cut a lot of
hair and it's messier to keep off meat.

For knife, I like my Buck folding hunter.  I use in the field and to
remove hide.  Traveling light in the field I have a cheap, 2 inch
folding Cabela's knife, that I've gutted a couple of deer with.

Looks like we've caused ourselves alot of undue troubles and
frustrations over the years by hanging head up..... I guess its just
been the way we've always done it since I was a kid??? Thanks to
everyone who replied and sounds like head down is by far the way to
go!

Thanks also for all the other tips on skinning and cleaning the hair
off the meat!

By the way, we do take the hide off asap while the animal is still
warm and that works great. Of course the tenderloins are the first
matter of business! Mmmmmm!

Steve
 
Steve at (no spam) OutdoorFrontiers.com...
Posted: Sun Oct 25, 2009 5:38 pm
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"Steve" <kskenter at (no spam) 2z.net> wrote in message <SNIP>

Looks like we've caused ourselves alot of undue troubles and
frustrations over the years by hanging head up..... I guess its just
been the way we've always done it since I was a kid??? Thanks to
everyone who replied and sounds like head down is by far the way to
go!

Thanks also for all the other tips on skinning and cleaning the hair
off the meat!

By the way, we do take the hide off asap while the animal is still
warm and that works great. Of course the tenderloins are the first
matter of business! Mmmmmm!

Not to mention that if you want to have a buck mounted, if you hang by the
head, it stretches the neck hide and creates problems for the taxidermist.
 
Joe Bleaux...
Posted: Sun Oct 25, 2009 6:11 pm
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On Sun, 25 Oct 2009 09:51:17 -0700, Steve <kskenter at (no spam) 2z.net> wrote:

Quote:
On Oct 24, 2:58 pm, "Steve at (no spam) OutdoorFrontiers.com" <go-
fish... at (no spam) charter.net> wrote:

A couple years ago, a friend from Texas came to visit me in northern
Wisconsin.  We grilled a couple of venison steaks on the grill and what we
didn't realie, was that my friend Rob didn't really like venison, but was
too polite to say so.

After dinner (which he ate two good sized steaks), he asked what the meat
was.  When we told him simply whitetail steaks, he couldn't believe it,
saying he'd never had such wonderful tasting deer meat in his life, and he
deer hunted for years.  He asked my wife what she marinated the steaks in,
and she said the only prep she'd done was salt and pepper.

He asked me what I'd done to the deer and I said, "the only thing I did was
shoot it, field dress it, then brought it home, immediately skinned it,
boned it, trimmed it and put it in the freezer.  He looked at me blankly and
asked, "Field Dress It?"

It turned out that in his part of Texas, they shoot a deer, then bring it
back intact where its hung, skinned, boned out while hanging and the guts
are never removed as when it's hanging head down, all the "guts" fall into
the rib cage.  Then once the meat is off, the entire carcass is then hauled
off to someplace for the coyotes.

He now field dresses his deer and says the quality of the meat is much
better.


Very peculiar....... I was just watching a "hunting show" the other
day where they were bowhunting trophy (of course) whitetail deer down
in Texas.. They were also apparently being sponsored by one of the
side by side 4 wheeler manufatcurers as they were wheeling around
quite alot on one. Then towards the end of the show after the trophy
deer was procured they showed the hunters driving off with the deer
loaded onto the flatbed rack on the back with the deer facing back
towards the camera and the belly fully exposed and there wasn't a mark
on it??? I wondered...... Geezzz, they didn't even gut it out?? I
thought maybe they didnt want to get their nice new side by side
bloodied up or something??? Must have been alot of work lifting that
nice big buck up there....
Steve

We, in TX, MS, OK and AL, generally do what others have described - hang by
slots cut in the rear legs, gut, then strip the hide, take off the head, then in
this order, the neck roast, the backstraps, front quarters, hose the cavity,
tenderloins, scrape rib meat for sausage bin, rear quarters. Never a problem
with hair. We put all the meat into an ice chest with ice and water with a
little salt and let it soak, changing the water and adding ice, for at least a
couple of days, 3 or 4 is better. Then bone out, package the "cuts" and sausage
meat, and freeze. At the end of the season, the sausage meat goes to our
sausage maker. At one ranch in TX (20K-plus acres, next to a similarly-sized
place), the usual practice is to field ground dress to keep the guts well away
from the ranch HQ and houses. If you know what you are doing and are careful,
there isn't a hair problem doing it that way, either.

A couple of things to add/address:

First, a lot of folks have "skinning racks" or similar at their camp (I don't
know of a ranch, lease or camp without one, in fact). A couple of posts, a
cross-bar, and most often, a boat trailer winch or similar with a t-bar
gambrel/spreader. Some places field-dress while others clean at the rack (and
use a "gut bucket" to haul off to a specific location - some folks hunt coyotes
over them). If the hunt you saw took place on ranch/hunting camp that did the
latter, it probably did take much longer to get the non-field-dressed deer "rack
dressed." Also, consider that what appeared to be "X" amount of time on a taped
show might have been a different amount of time "in real life."

In any case, another tip: We use latex/nitrile gloves and while skinning, we
use the cheap cotton brown or white gloves (they are something like 5 pair for
$5.00 at Walmart) to get a good grip (and it helps a little bit with cold hands
when it's particularly nippy). Also, if you section the carcass, it makes
getting a grip on the meat a little easier (and again, it helps when cold).
 
Larry Caldwell...
Posted: Mon Oct 26, 2009 1:22 am
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In article <767ba5cb-7cca-45ab-a903-
cc5cff7662ed at (no spam) s21g2000prm.googlegroups.com>, kskenter at (no spam) 2z.net (Steve)
says...

Quote:
Ok only 2 weeks to go until the MN rifle season starts so lets get
some action going!?! First question: Just wondering how most hunters
hang their deer to process? We've always hung ours head up but have
always had trouble getting alot of hair on the meat when taking the
hide off. Then its a hassle to get the hair off the meat. Sometimes
end up picking it off one hair strand at a time. This year we plan to
hang with the hind legs up using a gambrell hanger.

Is that the same thing as a single tree? The first thing I do is cut
the musk glands off, then (if possible) hoist it up by the hind legs
with a single tree and cut the head off to let the blood drain.

Quote:
If we are so
lucky enough to get a deer that is... Wondering if removing the hide
is any way easier and if getting hair on the meat would be less of a
problem?? Would appreciate any help on this. second question: My
wife, if she gets a deer, would really like to gut it out herself this
year. She has been assisting me doing this the past few years. She
wants to get a good knife and is interested in the swing blade knife
that has been advertized on some of the hunting shows and is in the
Bass Pro and Cabellas catalogs (sells for about $60). Has anyone had
any experience with this knife and would it be worth the money??
Thanks again for any opinions on this!
Steve

My favorite skinning knife is a Wyoming knife. I put less holes in the
hide with it than any other. I salt the hides and save them until I can
brain tan them. I love the way the leather smells after it is smoked.
If you are strong enough, you can just make the cuts down the inside of
the legs and the belly, tie off the anus and urethra, and pull the hide
off rather than cut it off. I tried it, and went back to my Wyoming
knife. I can cut a hide off in 5 minutes with it without poking any
holes. For gutting I use a straight blade with a serrated back to cut
the pelvic bone.

To get the blood out of the liver, soak it in cheap wine.
 
 
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