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| decalod85... |
Posted: Mon Oct 26, 2009 11:52 am |
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On Oct 23, 7:07 pm, Steve <ksken... at (no spam) 2z.net> wrote:
Quote: Ok only 2 weeks to go until the MN rifle season starts so lets get
some action going!?! First question: Just wondering how most hunters
hang their deer to process? We've always hung ours head up but have
always had trouble getting alot of hair on the meat when taking the
hide off. Then its a hassle to get the hair off the meat. Sometimes
end up picking it off one hair strand at a time. This year we plan to
hang with the hind legs up using a gambrell hanger. If we are so
lucky enough to get a deer that is... Wondering if removing the hide
is any way easier and if getting hair on the meat would be less of a
problem?? Would appreciate any help on this. second question: My
wife, if she gets a deer, would really like to gut it out herself this
year. She has been assisting me doing this the past few years. She
wants to get a good knife and is interested in the swing blade knife
that has been advertized on some of the hunting shows and is in the
Bass Pro and Cabellas catalogs (sells for about $60). Has anyone had
any experience with this knife and would it be worth the money??
Thanks again for any opinions on this!
Steve
We hunt my uncle's farm in North Dakota, so cleaning is easy.
We start gutting as soon as we are done taking pictures. Deer goes
back to the farm where we hang it head down from the tractors bucket,
then raise the bucket so the dogs can't reach it. As it is usually in
the 30's or 40's temperature wise, the meat cools down really fast.
If we are tired, we wait to skin and butcher until morning, but it is
tougher work.
I actually carry three blades for field dressing, all from Gerber. I
use their gut hook, the bone saw, and a nice little caping knife they
sell. I know I could do it all with one blade, but I like these and
they make the work faster for me. |
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| Joe Bleaux... |
Posted: Mon Oct 26, 2009 12:13 pm |
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On Sun, 25 Oct 2009 19:11:42 -0500, Joe Bleaux <joebleaux at (no spam) NOTASSO.COM> wrote:
Quote: On Sun, 25 Oct 2009 09:51:17 -0700, Steve <kskenter at (no spam) 2z.net> wrote:
On Oct 24, 2:58 pm, "Steve at (no spam) OutdoorFrontiers.com" <go-
fish... at (no spam) charter.net> wrote:
First, a lot of folks have "skinning racks" or similar at their camp (I don't
know of a ranch, lease or camp without one, in fact). A couple of posts, a
cross-bar, and most often, a boat trailer winch or similar with a t-bar
gambrel/spreader. Some places field-dress while others clean at the rack (and
use a "gut bucket" to haul off to a specific location - some folks hunt coyotes
over them). If the hunt you saw took place on ranch/hunting camp that did the
latter,
it probably did take much longer to get the non-field-dressed deer "rack
dressed."
NOTE - that should have been "...did NOT take much longer to get the
non-field-dressed deer..."
Joe |
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| Chris Barnes... |
Posted: Tue Oct 27, 2009 12:00 pm |
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Steve wrote:
Quote: Ok only 2 weeks to go until the MN rifle season starts so lets get
some action going!?! First question: Just wondering how most hunters
hang their deer to process? We've always hung ours head up but have
always had trouble getting alot of hair on the meat when taking the
hide off. Then its a hassle to get the hair off the meat. Sometimes
end up picking it off one hair strand at a time. This year we plan to
hang with the hind legs up using a gambrell hanger. If we are so
lucky enough to get a deer that is... Wondering if removing the hide
is any way easier and if getting hair on the meat would be less of a
problem?? Would appreciate any help on this. second question: My
wife, if she gets a deer, would really like to gut it out herself this
year. She has been assisting me doing this the past few years. She
wants to get a good knife and is interested in the swing blade knife
that has been advertized on some of the hunting shows and is in the
Bass Pro and Cabellas catalogs (sells for about $60). Has anyone had
any experience with this knife and would it be worth the money??
Hanging - unless you have a REAL meat locker, don't do it. You'd be
much better of packaging it down into meal size portions and putting
into the freezer the same day you kill it than you would to try to hang
it without the proper facilities.
Knife - I use a $15 fillet knife (short blade) I bought from Wal-Mart
for my skinning & processing. The key is to keep the knife SHARP. A
cheap sharp knife if infinitely better than an expensive dull one. |
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| Chris Barnes... |
Posted: Tue Oct 27, 2009 12:06 pm |
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Steve at (no spam) OutdoorFrontiers.com wrote:
Quote: It turned out that in his part of Texas, they shoot a deer, then bring it
back intact where its hung, skinned, boned out while hanging and the guts
are never removed as when it's hanging head down, all the "guts" fall into
the rib cage. Then once the meat is off, the entire carcass is then hauled
off to someplace for the coyotes.
Horse pucky. I have lived in Texas my entire life and hunted all over
the state.
What you describe is not a "Texas method", but a "lazy, city-dweller
method". |
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| Steve at (no spam) OutdoorFrontiers.com... |
Posted: Tue Oct 27, 2009 3:26 pm |
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"Chris Barnes" <chris at (no spam) txbarnes.com> wrote in message
news:hc7crh$oa3$1 at (no spam) news.tamu.edu...
Quote: Steve at (no spam) OutdoorFrontiers.com wrote:
It turned out that in his part of Texas, they shoot a deer, then bring it
back intact where its hung, skinned, boned out while hanging and the guts
are never removed as when it's hanging head down, all the "guts" fall
into the rib cage. Then once the meat is off, the entire carcass is then
hauled off to someplace for the coyotes.
Horse pucky. I have lived in Texas my entire life and hunted all over
the state.
What you describe is not a "Texas method", but a "lazy, city-dweller
method".
Nope, I happen to know this gentleman and his family have lived in Texas for
a while. Well, considering that his great-great ran a stage coach way
station in the 1800's and he and his family ranched as well, this man and
his family are not "lazy, city-dwellers."
Plus, when I lived in Rhinelander and worked for the fire department, we
were also a big-game registration station where deer were registered. There
was a group of four guys that came every year from Texas and stayed at their
aunt's lake house just north of Rhinelander. They'd come up with an 18
cubic foot freezer on a trailer and bow hunt for a couple weeks. At that
time, there were unlimited antlerless permits available and they'd hunt all
day, cut meat in the evenings and do this until the freezer was full. All
the deer were brought in to be registered, and none of them were ever field
dressed. When I first saw this, three deer were lying on the trailer,
undressed, I asked if they lost their knives. They said they never field
dress their deer, but prefer to hang them, skin them and bone the meat off.
I said that I knew a guy in Texas that used to do the same thing. They
said, "That's where we're from, San Antonio, Texas!" |
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| Steve... |
Posted: Tue Oct 27, 2009 4:09 pm |
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On Oct 27, 1:00 pm, Chris Barnes <ch... at (no spam) txbarnes.com> wrote:
Quote: Hanging - unless you have a REAL meat locker, don't do it. You'd be
much better of packaging it down into meal size portions and putting
into the freezer the same day you kill it than you would to try to hang
it without the proper facilities.
Well, in northern MN about mid November, my garage is about as close
as one could get to a meat locker... Usually about 40 degrees and
usually lower.. Our goal, when we get a deer is to get it hung,
skinned, de-tenderloined the same day or evening it is taken. Then,
depending on the weather, (sometimes it can get up into the 40's or
higher daytime) we try to butcher and package on the 2nd or 3rd day
after at the latest.
Quote: Knife - I use a $15 fillet knife (short blade) I bought from Wal-Mart
for my skinning & processing. The key is to keep the knife SHARP. A
cheap sharp knife if infinitely better than an expensive dull one.- Hide quoted text -
I hear ya on keeping it sharp... If the knife I'm using doesn't make
a clean cut, I give it a few strokes on the sharpening stone. I was
actually asking about what knife is used in the gutting process? A
plain hunting / skinning knife or one with a gut hook? I don't like
the gut hook because it can get clogged up in the hair and cause
problems.
Thanks for the reply!
Steve |
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| Chris Barnes... |
Posted: Thu Oct 29, 2009 8:34 am |
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Steve at (no spam) OutdoorFrontiers.com wrote:
Quote: Nope, I happen to know this gentleman and his family have lived in Texas for
a while. Well, considering that his great-great ran a stage coach way
station in the 1800's and he and his family ranched as well, this man and
his family are not "lazy, city-dwellers."
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They said, "That's where we're from, San Antonio, Texas!"
San Antonio *IS* a typical big city. Just like Houston & Dallas (and
even Austin). I repeat my claim above. |
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| Chris Barnes... |
Posted: Thu Oct 29, 2009 8:40 am |
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Steve wrote:
Quote: On Oct 27, 1:00 pm, Chris Barnes <ch... at (no spam) txbarnes.com> wrote:
Hanging - unless you have a REAL meat locker, don't do it. You'd be
much better of packaging it down into meal size portions and putting
into the freezer the same day you kill it than you would to try to hang
it without the proper facilities.
Well, in northern MN about mid November, my garage is about as close
as one could get to a meat locker... Usually about 40 degrees and
usually lower.. Our goal, when we get a deer is to get it hung,
skinned, de-tenderloined the same day or evening it is taken. Then,
depending on the weather, (sometimes it can get up into the 40's or
higher daytime) we try to butcher and package on the 2nd or 3rd day
after at the latest.
A *real* meat locker has temperature controlled EXACTLY to within 2
degrees. There is never "about" any temperature.
1 hour at a temp over 38 is long enough to go from "aging" to "rotting".
Quote: Knife - I use a $15 fillet knife (short blade) I bought from Wal-Mart
for my skinning & processing. The key is to keep the knife SHARP. A
cheap sharp knife if infinitely better than an expensive dull one.- Hide quoted text -
I hear ya on keeping it sharp... If the knife I'm using doesn't make
a clean cut, I give it a few strokes on the sharpening stone. I was
actually asking about what knife is used in the gutting process? A
plain hunting / skinning knife or one with a gut hook? I don't like
the gut hook because it can get clogged up in the hair and cause
problems.
I don't use a special knife. I simply make 2 cuts:
First cut gets the skin, but not into the meat (abdominal wall). The
skin there is loose, so a pinch will allow me to insert the knife blade
between the skin and the meat (blade up) and unzip the skin from nads to
throat.
Second cut then opens the abdominal wall, completely free from hair. |
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| Steve at (no spam) OutdoorFrontiers.com... |
Posted: Thu Oct 29, 2009 9:03 am |
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"Chris Barnes" <chris at (no spam) txbarnes.com> wrote in message
news:hcc94v$fqj$1 at (no spam) news.tamu.edu...
Quote: Steve at (no spam) OutdoorFrontiers.com wrote:
Nope, I happen to know this gentleman and his family have lived in Texas
for a while. Well, considering that his great-great ran a stage coach
way station in the 1800's and he and his family ranched as well, this man
and his family are not "lazy, city-dwellers."
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They said, "That's where we're from, San Antonio, Texas!"
San Antonio *IS* a typical big city. Just like Houston & Dallas (and even
Austin). I repeat my claim above.
Ok, I'll give you San Antonio is a big city, but Burnet certainly doesn't
qualify as big at what, about 5,000 population? And Rob is NOT a lazy,
city-dweller. He's a very good outdoorsman, taught the way in the outdoors
by his father and grandfather, who come from pioneer stock. And that's the
way he learned deer hunting. Why field dressing wasn't done? I don't know
and Rob doesn't either, but it was simply the way things were done in that
region of the state.
Am I defending not field dressing deer properly? NO! But I realize that
people do things differently from region to region. And not always is it
due to laziness as you claim. I wish I knew the original reason for
bringing the deer out intact, but I can't travel back in time to ask Rob's
grand dad why they didn't.....
I do however resent your implication that my friend is lazy as he certainly
is not. Taught differently? Yes. Lazy? NO!!! |
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| decalod85... |
Posted: Thu Oct 29, 2009 1:50 pm |
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On Oct 29, 9:34 am, Chris Barnes <ch... at (no spam) txbarnes.com> wrote:
Quote: Steve at (no spam) OutdoorFrontiers.com wrote:
Nope, I happen to know this gentleman and his family have lived in Texas for
a while. Well, considering that his great-great ran a stage coach way
station in the 1800's and he and his family ranched as well, this man and
his family are not "lazy, city-dwellers."
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They said, "That's where we're from, San Antonio, Texas!"
San Antonio *IS* a typical big city. Just like Houston & Dallas (and
even Austin). I repeat my claim above.
I was born in a small town, lived on a farm for a time, moved to other
small towns, and eventually moved through a progression of larger and
larger cities across North Dakota and Minnesota until I ended up in
the Twin Cities.
I also know a lot of other hunters: some smart and skilled, others
not so much. The difference is not where they live, but whether they
are willing to learn new things, and whether they pay attention.
In all that time, I have never seen or heard someone hang a deer in
the way described above. It is certainly not a "city" thing.
To claim that city dwellers are lazy and do things wrong is as
ridiculous a claim as someone saying that country folks are a bunch of
ignorant, bible-thumping hicks. |
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| decalod85... |
Posted: Thu Oct 29, 2009 2:27 pm |
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On Oct 29, 9:40 am, Chris Barnes <ch... at (no spam) txbarnes.com> wrote:
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I don't use a special knife. I simply make 2 cuts:
First cut gets the skin, but not into the meat (abdominal wall). The
skin there is loose, so a pinch will allow me to insert the knife blade
between the skin and the meat (blade up) and unzip the skin from nads to
throat.
Second cut then opens the abdominal wall, completely free from hair.
That's the way I do it. Only difference is that I use a dedicated gut
hook for unzipping the skin and the abdomen.
If you have a knife you like, stick with it. For me, I hate folding
knives and don't use them anymore. Too much of a pain to clean all
the blood, guts, hair and tallow out of the handle.
I also won't use anything that has handles that are fancy wood, stag
horn, or anything else expensive. I tend to only buy stuff with
rubberized handles. They clean up quick and go easy on your hands
during butchering.
No camo knives. My brother bought one once, set it down after tending
to his deer, and never saw it again. Funny how that camo handle and
sheathe blended in perfectly with the ground. He bought a knife with
a blaze handle after that.
I'm no longer partial to gut hooks built into knife blades. They are
clumsy to hold while gutting, and don't do the job as well as a
dedicated gut hook.
Good luck picking out a knife and a deer, Steve. |
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| Chris Barnes... |
Posted: Fri Oct 30, 2009 9:09 am |
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Steve at (no spam) OutdoorFrontiers.com wrote:
Quote: Ok, I'll give you San Antonio is a big city, but Burnet certainly doesn't
qualify as big at what, about 5,000 population? And Rob is NOT a lazy,
city-dweller. He's a very good outdoorsman, taught the way in the outdoors
by his father and grandfather, who come from pioneer stock. And that's the
way he learned deer hunting. Why field dressing wasn't done? I don't know
and Rob doesn't either, but it was simply the way things were done in that
region of the state.
NO - it is *NOT* regional.
Just because your friend, even if he lives in a small town and from
"pioneer stock", does something - it does NOT mean that everyone else
from Burnett does it.
Quote: I do however resent your implication that my friend is lazy as he certainly
is not. Taught differently? Yes. Lazy? NO!!!
And I resent your implication of an entire region for the idiocy of your
friend. |
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| Steve... |
Posted: Fri Oct 30, 2009 10:35 am |
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On Oct 29, 9:40 am, Chris Barnes <ch... at (no spam) txbarnes.com> wrote:
Quote: Steve wrote:
A *real* meat locker has temperature controlled EXACTLY to within 2
degrees. There is never "about" any temperature.
1 hour at a temp over 38 is long enough to go from "aging" to "rotting".
I am acutely aware of temperature when I have a deer hanging in my
garage. I am meticulous about careing for and processing my venison.
We do not buy beef or pork so venision is our main meat on the table
all year long. So we must be doing some things right with it.
I shudder to see some people transporting their deer on the roof of
their vehicle or on a trailer or somehow exposed during transit to
where ever they are going, in some cases a hundred plus miles. And
that's probably after having it hung up somewhere for x number of days
at what ever "about" temperature happened to be........ How would you
like to be invited to dine on a nice hot venison meal at thier
place???
Quote: I don't use a special knife. I simply make 2 cuts:
First cut gets the skin, but not into the meat (abdominal wall). The
skin there is loose, so a pinch will allow me to insert the knife blade
between the skin and the meat (blade up) and unzip the skin from nads to
throat.
Second cut then opens the abdominal wall, completely free from hair.
Actually pretty much the way I have been doing it.
Thanks again!
Steve |
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Posted: Sat Oct 31, 2009 10:13 am |
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On Oct 29, 9:40 am, Chris Barnes <ch... at (no spam) txbarnes.com> wrote:
Quote: A *real* meat locker has temperature controlled EXACTLY to within 2
degrees. There is never "about" any temperature.
1 hour at a temp over 38 is long enough to go from "aging" to "rotting".
I am very much aware of temperature whenever I have deer hanging in my
garage. I am meticulous about caring for and processing my game so it
is the freshest and tastiest it can possibly be. We don't usually eat
much beef or pork so venison is the main meat on the table throughout
the year. Anyone who has ever dined with us on a nice fresh hot
venison meal have always cleaned their plates and asked for more.
What better compliments can you ask for on game you took and processed
yourself? Therefore we must have done something "about" right with
our deer?!
I shudder whenever I see someone transporting their game on the top of
their vehicle or truckbed or trailer and and wonder how many miles do
they have to go to get their game home after a hunt? Some come from
hundreds of miles away to hunt in our neck of the woods. And that's
after their deer have hung somewhere for x number of days in whatever
"about" temperature there happened to be during that time... Does
that sound like a nice fresh venison meal to anyone?
Quote: I don't use a special knife. I simply make 2 cuts:
First cut gets the skin, but not into the meat (abdominal wall). The
skin there is loose, so a pinch will allow me to insert the knife blade
between the skin and the meat (blade up) and unzip the skin from nads to
throat.
Second cut then opens the abdominal wall, completely free from hair.
Pretty much the way I do it. |
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| Patrick Murray... |
Posted: Sat Oct 31, 2009 10:13 am |
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I've watched this thread since it started, and regardless of how you gut
your deer, or how you hang it, I will state flatly that if you leave the
hide on it, even overnight, you are degrading your meat, no matter the
temperature, or method. I've seen people leave hides on in sub-zero weather,
claiming that they didn't want it to freeze, and people who left it on
claiming it kept the meat clean. I'm not trying to "one-up" anyone with this
statement, or humiliate anyone, or satisfy my ego. I just want you to stop
ruining your meat, and be able to "come out into the light" on how good
properly cared-for deer meat can be.
Men, it has been well said, think in herds; it will be seen that they go
mad in herds, while they only recover their senses slowly, and one by one
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