On Oct 22, 1:30 pm, pmfan57 <jwrag... at (no spam) aol.com> wrote:





On Oct 21, 7:06 pm, "D. Flynn" <gu... at (no spam) msn.com> wrote:

On Oct 21, 5:38 pm, pmfan57 <jwrag... at (no spam) aol.com> wrote:

On Oct 20, 1:10 pm, "D. Flynn" <gu... at (no spam) msn.com> wrote:

On Oct 19, 5:08 pm, danstearns <daniel_anthony_stea... at (no spam) yahoo.com
wrote:

i've always looked at Abraham's fights and thought, gee, this guy is
so beatable......those wild, wide shots, especially the left hook,
that habit of not doing much of anything for 70% of the fight, that
tendency to stalk and drop his guard. And then.....boom, and guys
who've been pressing and leading but largely hitting nothing but
gloves and forearms all night long suddenly get hit and crumple to the
ground into something resembling broken marionettes or human
contortionists. Power aside, patient guy this Arthur Abraham.

Still, i just can't help but think that he's going to find his
'Hopkins' as did Pavlik---that is someone who's clever enough to take
advantage of his weaknesses. Granted, his weaknesses are much easier
to see than his strengths (punching power and physical stoutness
aside), but i always thought a straight RH puncher with real power
like say Kelly Pavlik, well Pavlik before the Hopkin's disaster, would
do well against him.......or conversely, a quick, slippery boxer with
a chin who could dance, poke, and juke out a points victory---
especially outside of Germany.

What do you guys think of Dirrell's chances to do the latter?

Dirrell has the style, speed,  height and reach to beat Abraham if -
and it's a big if-  his stamina holds up for 12 rounds.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

I disagree.  I was not impressed with Dirrell.  He is not nearly as
fluid as Taylor.  I think Abraham will beat him, either by devastating
KO if he stays anywhere near AA, or by decision if Dirrell runs away.
Ward looks much better than Dirrell too.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

To be honest I never said I was picking Dirrell over Abraham. I just
always thought he had a better chance than Taylor who I predicted
would be stopped in 8.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

I know it's like apples and oranges, but Taylor for most of his fight
with Froch kept his technique together and boxed very well.  Dirrell
on the other hand did not look fluid at all against Froch.  But I
guess because Dirrell might run more than Taylor he might have a
better chance at least to squeek out a decision against Abraham.  I
don't see him surviving the full fight absent full flight.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Two more things besides running that could help Dirrell make it to the
final bell:
not
1. Abraham is a famously slow starter

2. Holding, which Dirrell did way too much of against Froch- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

On Oct 22, 10:15 pm, "D. Flynn" <gu... at (no spam) msn.com> wrote:



On Oct 22, 1:30 pm, pmfan57 <jwrag... at (no spam) aol.com> wrote:

On Oct 21, 7:06 pm, "D. Flynn" <gu... at (no spam) msn.com> wrote:

On Oct 21, 5:38 pm, pmfan57 <jwrag... at (no spam) aol.com> wrote:

On Oct 20, 1:10 pm, "D. Flynn" <gu... at (no spam) msn.com> wrote:

On Oct 19, 5:08 pm, danstearns <daniel_anthony_stea... at (no spam) yahoo.com
wrote:

i've always looked at Abraham's fights and thought, gee, this guy is
so beatable......those wild, wide shots, especially the left hook,
that habit of not doing much of anything for 70% of the fight, that
tendency to stalk and drop his guard. And then.....boom, and guys
who've been pressing and leading but largely hitting nothing but
gloves and forearms all night long suddenly get hit and crumple to the
ground into something resembling broken marionettes or human
contortionists. Power aside, patient guy this Arthur Abraham.

Still, i just can't help but think that he's going to find his
'Hopkins' as did Pavlik---that is someone who's clever enough to take
advantage of his weaknesses. Granted, his weaknesses are much easier
to see than his strengths (punching power and physical stoutness
aside), but i always thought a straight RH puncher with real power
like say Kelly Pavlik, well Pavlik before the Hopkin's disaster, would
do well against him.......or conversely, a quick, slippery boxer with
a chin who could dance, poke, and juke out a points victory---
especially outside of Germany.

What do you guys think of Dirrell's chances to do the latter?

Dirrell has the style, speed,  height and reach to beat Abraham if -
and it's a big if-  his stamina holds up for 12 rounds.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

I disagree.  I was not impressed with Dirrell.  He is not nearly as
fluid as Taylor.  I think Abraham will beat him, either by devastating
KO if he stays anywhere near AA, or by decision if Dirrell runs away.
Ward looks much better than Dirrell too.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

To be honest I never said I was picking Dirrell over Abraham. I just
always thought he had a better chance than Taylor who I predicted
would be stopped in 8.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

I know it's like apples and oranges, but Taylor for most of his fight
with Froch kept his technique together and boxed very well.  Dirrell
on the other hand did not look fluid at all against Froch.  But I
guess because Dirrell might run more than Taylor he might have a
better chance at least to squeek out a decision against Abraham.  I
don't see him surviving the full fight absent full flight.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Two more things besides running that could help Dirrell make it to the
final bell:
 not
1. Abraham is a famously slow starter

2. Holding, which Dirrell did way too much of against Froch- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

FWiW, i just read that Barry McGuigan, who's really not a bad analyst
at all ImO, is not only picking Dirrell over Abraham, but predicting
that Froch will perform much better against the more straight-lined
Kessler than he did against the slippery Dirrell.....i disagree in
both cases, but we'll see soon enough!

On Oct 24, 9:10 am, danstearns <daniel_anthony_stea... at (no spam) yahoo.com
wrote:
On Oct 22, 10:15 pm, "D. Flynn" <gu... at (no spam) msn.com> wrote:



On Oct 22, 1:30 pm, pmfan57 <jwrag... at (no spam) aol.com> wrote:

On Oct 21, 7:06 pm, "D. Flynn" <gu... at (no spam) msn.com> wrote:

On Oct 21, 5:38 pm, pmfan57 <jwrag... at (no spam) aol.com> wrote:

On Oct 20, 1:10 pm, "D. Flynn" <gu... at (no spam) msn.com> wrote:

On Oct 19, 5:08 pm, danstearns <daniel_anthony_stea... at (no spam) yahoo.com
wrote:

i've always looked at Abraham's fights and thought, gee, this guy is
so beatable......those wild, wide shots, especially the left hook,
that habit of not doing much of anything for 70% of the fight, that
tendency to stalk and drop his guard. And then.....boom, and guys
who've been pressing and leading but largely hitting nothing but
gloves and forearms all night long suddenly get hit and crumple to the
ground into something resembling broken marionettes or human
contortionists. Power aside, patient guy this Arthur Abraham.

Still, i just can't help but think that he's going to find his
'Hopkins' as did Pavlik---that is someone who's clever enough to take
advantage of his weaknesses. Granted, his weaknesses are much easier
to see than his strengths (punching power and physical stoutness
aside), but i always thought a straight RH puncher with real power
like say Kelly Pavlik, well Pavlik before the Hopkin's disaster, would
do well against him.......or conversely, a quick, slippery boxer with
a chin who could dance, poke, and juke out a points victory---
especially outside of Germany.

What do you guys think of Dirrell's chances to do the latter?

Dirrell has the style, speed,  height and reach to beat Abraham if -
and it's a big if-  his stamina holds up for 12 rounds.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

I disagree.  I was not impressed with Dirrell.  He is not nearly as
fluid as Taylor.  I think Abraham will beat him, either by devastating
KO if he stays anywhere near AA, or by decision if Dirrell runs away.
Ward looks much better than Dirrell too.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

To be honest I never said I was picking Dirrell over Abraham. I just
always thought he had a better chance than Taylor who I predicted
would be stopped in 8.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

I know it's like apples and oranges, but Taylor for most of his fight
with Froch kept his technique together and boxed very well.  Dirrell
on the other hand did not look fluid at all against Froch.  But I
guess because Dirrell might run more than Taylor he might have a
better chance at least to squeek out a decision against Abraham.  I
don't see him surviving the full fight absent full flight.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Two more things besides running that could help Dirrell make it to the
final bell:
 not
1. Abraham is a famously slow starter

2. Holding, which Dirrell did way too much of against Froch- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

FWiW, i just read that Barry McGuigan, who's really not a bad analyst
at all ImO, is not only picking Dirrell over Abraham, but predicting
that Froch will perform much better against the more straight-lined
Kessler than he did against the slippery Dirrell.....i disagree in
both cases, but we'll see soon enough!

I agree with you re: Dirrell and Abraham, as you can tell from my
previous post. But Froch might look better for a while against the
more conventional Kessler until Kessler starts beating the crap out of
him.

In article
cc489423-b311-4a4b-b6e8-ee02fb378... at (no spam) m11g2000vbl.googlegroups.com>,

 danstearns <daniel_anthony_stea... at (no spam) yahoo.com> wrote:

FWiW, i just read that Barry McGuigan, who's really not a bad analyst
at all ImO, is not only picking Dirrell over Abraham, but predicting
that Froch will perform much better against the more straight-lined
Kessler than he did against the slippery Dirrell.....i disagree in
both cases, but we'll see soon enough!

By the way, when is the next round of the super 6
airing?  I can't seem to find it on the schedules.

thanks,

..........

FWiW, i just read that Barry McGuigan, who's really not a bad analyst
at all ImO, is not only picking Dirrell over Abraham, but predicting
that Froch will perform much better against the more straight-lined
Kessler than he did against the slippery Dirrell.....i disagree in
both cases, but we'll see soon enough!

pmfan57 <jwrag... at (no spam) aol.com> writes:
On Oct 24, 9:10 am, danstearns <daniel_anthony_stea... at (no spam) yahoo.com
wrote:
On Oct 22, 10:15 pm, "D. Flynn" <gu... at (no spam) msn.com> wrote:

On Oct 22, 1:30 pm, pmfan57 <jwrag... at (no spam) aol.com> wrote:

On Oct 21, 7:06 pm, "D. Flynn" <gu... at (no spam) msn.com> wrote:

On Oct 21, 5:38 pm, pmfan57 <jwrag... at (no spam) aol.com> wrote:

On Oct 20, 1:10 pm, "D. Flynn" <gu... at (no spam) msn.com> wrote:

On Oct 19, 5:08 pm, danstearns <daniel_anthony_stea... at (no spam) yahoo.com
wrote:

i've always looked at Abraham's fights and thought, gee, this guy is
so beatable......those wild, wide shots, especially the left hook,
that habit of not doing much of anything for 70% of the fight, that
tendency to stalk and drop his guard. And then.....boom, and guys
who've been pressing and leading but largely hitting nothing but
gloves and forearms all night long suddenly get hit and crumple to the
ground into something resembling broken marionettes or human
contortionists. Power aside, patient guy this Arthur Abraham.

Still, i just can't help but think that he's going to find his
'Hopkins' as did Pavlik---that is someone who's clever enough to take
advantage of his weaknesses. Granted, his weaknesses are much easier
to see than his strengths (punching power and physical stoutness
aside), but i always thought a straight RH puncher with real power
like say Kelly Pavlik, well Pavlik before the Hopkin's disaster, would
do well against him.......or conversely, a quick, slippery boxer with
a chin who could dance, poke, and juke out a points victory---
especially outside of Germany.

What do you guys think of Dirrell's chances to do the latter?

Dirrell has the style, speed,  height and reach to beat Abraham if -
and it's a big if-  his stamina holds up for 12 rounds.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

I disagree.  I was not impressed with Dirrell.  He is not nearly as
fluid as Taylor.  I think Abraham will beat him, either by devastating
KO if he stays anywhere near AA, or by decision if Dirrell runs away.
Ward looks much better than Dirrell too.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

To be honest I never said I was picking Dirrell over Abraham. I just
always thought he had a better chance than Taylor who I predicted
would be stopped in 8.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

I know it's like apples and oranges, but Taylor for most of his fight
with Froch kept his technique together and boxed very well.  Dirrell
on the other hand did not look fluid at all against Froch.  But I
guess because Dirrell might run more than Taylor he might have a
better chance at least to squeek out a decision against Abraham.  I
don't see him surviving the full fight absent full flight.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Two more things besides running that could help Dirrell make it to the
final bell:
 not
1. Abraham is a famously slow starter

2. Holding, which Dirrell did way too much of against Froch- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

FWiW, i just read that Barry McGuigan, who's really not a bad analyst
at all ImO, is not only picking Dirrell over Abraham, but predicting
that Froch will perform much better against the more straight-lined
Kessler than he did against the slippery Dirrell.....i disagree in
both cases, but we'll see soon enough!

I agree with you re: Dirrell and Abraham, as you can tell from my
previous post.  But Froch might look better for a while against the
more conventional Kessler until Kessler starts beating the crap out of
him.

I agree with both of you too : and am somewhat surprised at McGuigan who
is very good pundit IMO. He can certainly perform superb mid and post
fight analysis.

Froch never looks good. He's just a hard bastard. But so is Kessler. I
would tend to bet on Kessler.

Dirrell is a younger, fitter and faster Taylor and it is possible he can
go the distance and keep Abraham off him.

--
Rum, Sodomy And The Lash. Join The Royal Navy.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

pmfan57 <jwrag... at (no spam) aol.com> writes:
On Oct 24, 9:10 am, danstearns <daniel_anthony_stea... at (no spam) yahoo.com
wrote:
On Oct 22, 10:15 pm, "D. Flynn" <gu... at (no spam) msn.com> wrote:

On Oct 22, 1:30 pm, pmfan57 <jwrag... at (no spam) aol.com> wrote:

On Oct 21, 7:06 pm, "D. Flynn" <gu... at (no spam) msn.com> wrote:

On Oct 21, 5:38 pm, pmfan57 <jwrag... at (no spam) aol.com> wrote:

On Oct 20, 1:10 pm, "D. Flynn" <gu... at (no spam) msn.com> wrote:

On Oct 19, 5:08 pm, danstearns <daniel_anthony_stea... at (no spam) yahoo.com
wrote:

i've always looked at Abraham's fights and thought, gee, this guy is
so beatable......those wild, wide shots, especially the left hook,
that habit of not doing much of anything for 70% of the fight, that
tendency to stalk and drop his guard. And then.....boom, and guys
who've been pressing and leading but largely hitting nothing but
gloves and forearms all night long suddenly get hit and crumple to the
ground into something resembling broken marionettes or human
contortionists. Power aside, patient guy this Arthur Abraham.

Still, i just can't help but think that he's going to find his
'Hopkins' as did Pavlik---that is someone who's clever enough to take
advantage of his weaknesses. Granted, his weaknesses are much easier
to see than his strengths (punching power and physical stoutness
aside), but i always thought a straight RH puncher with real power
like say Kelly Pavlik, well Pavlik before the Hopkin's disaster, would
do well against him.......or conversely, a quick, slippery boxer with
a chin who could dance, poke, and juke out a points victory---
especially outside of Germany.

What do you guys think of Dirrell's chances to do the latter?

Dirrell has the style, speed,  height and reach to beat Abraham if -
and it's a big if-  his stamina holds up for 12 rounds.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

I disagree.  I was not impressed with Dirrell.  He is not nearly as
fluid as Taylor.  I think Abraham will beat him, either by devastating
KO if he stays anywhere near AA, or by decision if Dirrell runs away.
Ward looks much better than Dirrell too.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

To be honest I never said I was picking Dirrell over Abraham. I just
always thought he had a better chance than Taylor who I predicted
would be stopped in 8.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

I know it's like apples and oranges, but Taylor for most of his fight
with Froch kept his technique together and boxed very well.  Dirrell
on the other hand did not look fluid at all against Froch.  But I
guess because Dirrell might run more than Taylor he might have a
better chance at least to squeek out a decision against Abraham.  I
don't see him surviving the full fight absent full flight.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Two more things besides running that could help Dirrell make it to the
final bell:
 not
1. Abraham is a famously slow starter

2. Holding, which Dirrell did way too much of against Froch- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

FWiW, i just read that Barry McGuigan, who's really not a bad analyst
at all ImO, is not only picking Dirrell over Abraham, but predicting
that Froch will perform much better against the more straight-lined
Kessler than he did against the slippery Dirrell.....i disagree in
both cases, but we'll see soon enough!

I agree with you re: Dirrell and Abraham, as you can tell from my
previous post.  But Froch might look better for a while against the
more conventional Kessler until Kessler starts beating the crap out of
him.

I agree with both of you too : and am somewhat surprised at McGuigan who
is very good pundit IMO. He can certainly perform superb mid and post
fight analysis.

Froch never looks good. He's just a hard bastard. But so is Kessler. I
would tend to bet on Kessler.

Dirrell is a younger, fitter and faster Taylor and it is possible he can
go the distance and keep Abraham off him.

--
Rum, Sodomy And The Lash. Join The Royal Navy.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -