Still, i just can't help but think that he's going to find his
'Hopkins' as did Pavlik ..

i've always looked at Abraham's fights and thought, gee, this guy is
so beatable......those wild, wide shots, especially the left hook,
that habit of not doing much of anything for 70% of the fight, that
tendency to stalk and drop his guard. And then.....boom, and guys
who've been pressing and leading but largely hitting nothing but
gloves and forearms all night long suddenly get hit and crumple to the
ground into something resembling broken marionettes or human
contortionists. Power aside, patient guy this Arthur Abraham.

Still, i just can't help but think that he's going to find his
'Hopkins' as did Pavlik---that is someone who's clever enough to take
advantage of his weaknesses. Granted, his weaknesses are much easier
to see than his strengths (punching power and physical stoutness
aside), but i always thought a straight RH puncher with real power
like say Kelly Pavlik, well Pavlik before the Hopkin's disaster, would
do well against him.......or conversely, a quick, slippery boxer with
a chin who could dance, poke, and juke out a points victory---
especially outside of Germany.

What do you guys think of Dirrell's chances to do the latter?

i've always looked at Abraham's fights and thought, gee, this guy is
so beatable......those wild, wide shots, especially the left hook,
that habit of not doing much of anything for 70% of the fight, that
tendency to stalk and drop his guard. And then.....boom, and guys
who've been pressing and leading but largely hitting nothing but
gloves and forearms all night long suddenly get hit and crumple to the
ground into something resembling broken marionettes or human
contortionists. Power aside, patient guy this Arthur Abraham.

Still, i just can't help but think that he's going to find his
'Hopkins' as did Pavlik---that is someone who's clever enough to take
advantage of his weaknesses. Granted, his weaknesses are much easier
to see than his strengths (punching power and physical stoutness
aside), but i always thought a straight RH puncher with real power
like say Kelly Pavlik, well Pavlik before the Hopkin's disaster, would
do well against him.......or conversely, a quick, slippery boxer with
a chin who could dance, poke, and juke out a points victory---
especially outside of Germany.

What do you guys think of Dirrell's chances to do the latter?

On Oct 19, 5:08 pm, danstearns <daniel_anthony_stea... at (no spam) yahoo.com
wrote:
i've always looked at Abraham's fights and thought, gee, this guy is
so beatable......those wild, wide shots, especially the left hook,
that habit of not doing much of anything for 70% of the fight, that
tendency to stalk and drop his guard. And then.....boom, and guys
who've been pressing and leading but largely hitting nothing but
gloves and forearms all night long suddenly get hit and crumple to the
ground into something resembling broken marionettes or human
contortionists. Power aside, patient guy this Arthur Abraham.

Still, i just can't help but think that he's going to find his
'Hopkins' as did Pavlik---that is someone who's clever enough to take
advantage of his weaknesses. Granted, his weaknesses are much easier
to see than his strengths (punching power and physical stoutness
aside), but i always thought a straight RH puncher with real power
like say Kelly Pavlik, well Pavlik before the Hopkin's disaster, would
do well against him.......or conversely, a quick, slippery boxer with
a chin who could dance, poke, and juke out a points victory---
especially outside of Germany.

What do you guys think of Dirrell's chances to do the latter?

Dirrell has the style, speed, height and reach to beat Abraham if -
and it's a big if- his stamina holds up for 12 rounds.

On Oct 19, 5:08 pm, danstearns <daniel_anthony_stea... at (no spam) yahoo.com
wrote:





i've always looked at Abraham's fights and thought, gee, this guy is
so beatable......those wild, wide shots, especially the left hook,
that habit of not doing much of anything for 70% of the fight, that
tendency to stalk and drop his guard. And then.....boom, and guys
who've been pressing and leading but largely hitting nothing but
gloves and forearms all night long suddenly get hit and crumple to the
ground into something resembling broken marionettes or human
contortionists. Power aside, patient guy this Arthur Abraham.

Still, i just can't help but think that he's going to find his
'Hopkins' as did Pavlik---that is someone who's clever enough to take
advantage of his weaknesses. Granted, his weaknesses are much easier
to see than his strengths (punching power and physical stoutness
aside), but i always thought a straight RH puncher with real power
like say Kelly Pavlik, well Pavlik before the Hopkin's disaster, would
do well against him.......or conversely, a quick, slippery boxer with
a chin who could dance, poke, and juke out a points victory---
especially outside of Germany.

What do you guys think of Dirrell's chances to do the latter?

Dirrell has the style, speed,  height and reach to beat Abraham if -
and it's a big if-  his stamina holds up for 12 rounds.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

On Oct 19, 2:08 pm, danstearns <daniel_anthony_stea... at (no spam) yahoo.com
wrote:





i've always looked at Abraham's fights and thought, gee, this guy is
so beatable......those wild, wide shots, especially the left hook,
that habit of not doing much of anything for 70% of the fight, that
tendency to stalk and drop his guard. And then.....boom, and guys
who've been pressing and leading but largely hitting nothing but
gloves and forearms all night long suddenly get hit and crumple to the
ground into something resembling broken marionettes or human
contortionists. Power aside, patient guy this Arthur Abraham.

Still, i just can't help but think that he's going to find his
'Hopkins' as did Pavlik---that is someone who's clever enough to take
advantage of his weaknesses. Granted, his weaknesses are much easier
to see than his strengths (punching power and physical stoutness
aside), but i always thought a straight RH puncher with real power
like say Kelly Pavlik, well Pavlik before the Hopkin's disaster, would
do well against him.......or conversely, a quick, slippery boxer with
a chin who could dance, poke, and juke out a points victory---
especially outside of Germany.

What do you guys think of Dirrell's chances to do the latter?

Slim and none and Slim was shot to death last week. I expect AA to be
in the finals against Kessler who on PAPER should beat him handily.
But who knows...- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

On Oct 20, 1:10 pm, "D. Flynn" <gu... at (no spam) msn.com> wrote:





On Oct 19, 5:08 pm, danstearns <daniel_anthony_stea... at (no spam) yahoo.com
wrote:

i've always looked at Abraham's fights and thought, gee, this guy is
so beatable......those wild, wide shots, especially the left hook,
that habit of not doing much of anything for 70% of the fight, that
tendency to stalk and drop his guard. And then.....boom, and guys
who've been pressing and leading but largely hitting nothing but
gloves and forearms all night long suddenly get hit and crumple to the
ground into something resembling broken marionettes or human
contortionists. Power aside, patient guy this Arthur Abraham.

Still, i just can't help but think that he's going to find his
'Hopkins' as did Pavlik---that is someone who's clever enough to take
advantage of his weaknesses. Granted, his weaknesses are much easier
to see than his strengths (punching power and physical stoutness
aside), but i always thought a straight RH puncher with real power
like say Kelly Pavlik, well Pavlik before the Hopkin's disaster, would
do well against him.......or conversely, a quick, slippery boxer with
a chin who could dance, poke, and juke out a points victory---
especially outside of Germany.

What do you guys think of Dirrell's chances to do the latter?

Dirrell has the style, speed,  height and reach to beat Abraham if -
and it's a big if-  his stamina holds up for 12 rounds.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

I disagree.  I was not impressed with Dirrell.  He is not nearly as
fluid as Taylor.  I think Abraham will beat him, either by devastating
KO if he stays anywhere near AA, or by decision if Dirrell runs away.
Ward looks much better than Dirrell too.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

On Oct 21, 5:38 pm, pmfan57 <jwrag... at (no spam) aol.com> wrote:





On Oct 20, 1:10 pm, "D. Flynn" <gu... at (no spam) msn.com> wrote:

On Oct 19, 5:08 pm, danstearns <daniel_anthony_stea... at (no spam) yahoo.com
wrote:

i've always looked at Abraham's fights and thought, gee, this guy is
so beatable......those wild, wide shots, especially the left hook,
that habit of not doing much of anything for 70% of the fight, that
tendency to stalk and drop his guard. And then.....boom, and guys
who've been pressing and leading but largely hitting nothing but
gloves and forearms all night long suddenly get hit and crumple to the
ground into something resembling broken marionettes or human
contortionists. Power aside, patient guy this Arthur Abraham.

Still, i just can't help but think that he's going to find his
'Hopkins' as did Pavlik---that is someone who's clever enough to take
advantage of his weaknesses. Granted, his weaknesses are much easier
to see than his strengths (punching power and physical stoutness
aside), but i always thought a straight RH puncher with real power
like say Kelly Pavlik, well Pavlik before the Hopkin's disaster, would
do well against him.......or conversely, a quick, slippery boxer with
a chin who could dance, poke, and juke out a points victory---
especially outside of Germany.

What do you guys think of Dirrell's chances to do the latter?

Dirrell has the style, speed,  height and reach to beat Abraham if -
and it's a big if-  his stamina holds up for 12 rounds.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

I disagree.  I was not impressed with Dirrell.  He is not nearly as
fluid as Taylor.  I think Abraham will beat him, either by devastating
KO if he stays anywhere near AA, or by decision if Dirrell runs away.
Ward looks much better than Dirrell too.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

To be honest I never said I was picking Dirrell over Abraham. I just
always thought he had a better chance than Taylor who I predicted
would be stopped in 8.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

On Oct 21, 7:06 pm, "D. Flynn" <gu... at (no spam) msn.com> wrote:
On Oct 21, 5:38 pm, pmfan57 <jwrag... at (no spam) aol.com> wrote:





On Oct 20, 1:10 pm, "D. Flynn" <gu... at (no spam) msn.com> wrote:

On Oct 19, 5:08 pm, danstearns <daniel_anthony_stea... at (no spam) yahoo.com
wrote:

i've always looked at Abraham's fights and thought, gee, this guy is
so beatable......those wild, wide shots, especially the left hook,
that habit of not doing much of anything for 70% of the fight, that
tendency to stalk and drop his guard. And then.....boom, and guys
who've been pressing and leading but largely hitting nothing but
gloves and forearms all night long suddenly get hit and crumple to the
ground into something resembling broken marionettes or human
contortionists. Power aside, patient guy this Arthur Abraham.

Still, i just can't help but think that he's going to find his
'Hopkins' as did Pavlik---that is someone who's clever enough to take
advantage of his weaknesses. Granted, his weaknesses are much easier
to see than his strengths (punching power and physical stoutness
aside), but i always thought a straight RH puncher with real power
like say Kelly Pavlik, well Pavlik before the Hopkin's disaster, would
do well against him.......or conversely, a quick, slippery boxer with
a chin who could dance, poke, and juke out a points victory---
especially outside of Germany.

What do you guys think of Dirrell's chances to do the latter?

Dirrell has the style, speed,  height and reach to beat Abraham if -
and it's a big if-  his stamina holds up for 12 rounds.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

I disagree.  I was not impressed with Dirrell.  He is not nearly as
fluid as Taylor.  I think Abraham will beat him, either by devastating
KO if he stays anywhere near AA, or by decision if Dirrell runs away.
Ward looks much better than Dirrell too.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

To be honest I never said I was picking Dirrell over Abraham. I just
always thought he had a better chance than Taylor who I predicted
would be stopped in 8.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

I know it's like apples and oranges, but Taylor for most of his fight
with Froch kept his technique together and boxed very well. Dirrell
on the other hand did not look fluid at all against Froch. But I
guess because Dirrell might run more than Taylor he might have a
better chance at least to squeek out a decision against Abraham. I
don't see him surviving the full fight absent full flight.

On Oct 21, 7:06 pm, "D. Flynn" <gu... at (no spam) msn.com> wrote:





On Oct 21, 5:38 pm, pmfan57 <jwrag... at (no spam) aol.com> wrote:

On Oct 20, 1:10 pm, "D. Flynn" <gu... at (no spam) msn.com> wrote:

On Oct 19, 5:08 pm, danstearns <daniel_anthony_stea... at (no spam) yahoo.com
wrote:

i've always looked at Abraham's fights and thought, gee, this guy is
so beatable......those wild, wide shots, especially the left hook,
that habit of not doing much of anything for 70% of the fight, that
tendency to stalk and drop his guard. And then.....boom, and guys
who've been pressing and leading but largely hitting nothing but
gloves and forearms all night long suddenly get hit and crumple to the
ground into something resembling broken marionettes or human
contortionists. Power aside, patient guy this Arthur Abraham.

Still, i just can't help but think that he's going to find his
'Hopkins' as did Pavlik---that is someone who's clever enough to take
advantage of his weaknesses. Granted, his weaknesses are much easier
to see than his strengths (punching power and physical stoutness
aside), but i always thought a straight RH puncher with real power
like say Kelly Pavlik, well Pavlik before the Hopkin's disaster, would
do well against him.......or conversely, a quick, slippery boxer with
a chin who could dance, poke, and juke out a points victory---
especially outside of Germany.

What do you guys think of Dirrell's chances to do the latter?

Dirrell has the style, speed,  height and reach to beat Abraham if -
and it's a big if-  his stamina holds up for 12 rounds.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

I disagree.  I was not impressed with Dirrell.  He is not nearly as
fluid as Taylor.  I think Abraham will beat him, either by devastating
KO if he stays anywhere near AA, or by decision if Dirrell runs away.
Ward looks much better than Dirrell too.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

To be honest I never said I was picking Dirrell over Abraham. I just
always thought he had a better chance than Taylor who I predicted
would be stopped in 8.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

I know it's like apples and oranges, but Taylor for most of his fight
with Froch kept his technique together and boxed very well.  Dirrell
on the other hand did not look fluid at all against Froch.  But I
guess because Dirrell might run more than Taylor he might have a
better chance at least to squeek out a decision against Abraham.  I
don't see him surviving the full fight absent full flight.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

pmfan57 <jwrag... at (no spam) aol.com> writes:
On Oct 21, 7:06 pm, "D. Flynn" <gu... at (no spam) msn.com> wrote:
On Oct 21, 5:38 pm, pmfan57 <jwrag... at (no spam) aol.com> wrote:

On Oct 20, 1:10 pm, "D. Flynn" <gu... at (no spam) msn.com> wrote:

On Oct 19, 5:08 pm, danstearns <daniel_anthony_stea... at (no spam) yahoo.com
wrote:

i've always looked at Abraham's fights and thought, gee, this guy is
so beatable......those wild, wide shots, especially the left hook,
that habit of not doing much of anything for 70% of the fight, that
tendency to stalk and drop his guard. And then.....boom, and guys
who've been pressing and leading but largely hitting nothing but
gloves and forearms all night long suddenly get hit and crumple to the
ground into something resembling broken marionettes or human
contortionists. Power aside, patient guy this Arthur Abraham.

Still, i just can't help but think that he's going to find his
'Hopkins' as did Pavlik---that is someone who's clever enough to take
advantage of his weaknesses. Granted, his weaknesses are much easier
to see than his strengths (punching power and physical stoutness
aside), but i always thought a straight RH puncher with real power
like say Kelly Pavlik, well Pavlik before the Hopkin's disaster, would
do well against him.......or conversely, a quick, slippery boxer with
a chin who could dance, poke, and juke out a points victory---
especially outside of Germany.

What do you guys think of Dirrell's chances to do the latter?

Dirrell has the style, speed,  height and reach to beat Abraham if -
and it's a big if-  his stamina holds up for 12 rounds.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

I disagree.  I was not impressed with Dirrell.  He is not nearly as
fluid as Taylor.  I think Abraham will beat him, either by devastating
KO if he stays anywhere near AA, or by decision if Dirrell runs away..
Ward looks much better than Dirrell too.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

To be honest I never said I was picking Dirrell over Abraham. I just
always thought he had a better chance than Taylor who I predicted
would be stopped in 8.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

I know it's like apples and oranges, but Taylor for most of his fight
with Froch kept his technique together and boxed very well.  Dirrell
on the other hand did not look fluid at all against Froch.  But I
guess because Dirrell might run more than Taylor he might have a
better chance at least to squeek out a decision against Abraham.  I
don't see him surviving the full fight absent full flight.

I have to agree with that.

The amusing thing for me is how quickly American interest will fade away
now ...

--
Rum, Sodomy And The Lash. Join The Royal Navy.

On Oct 22, 1:30 pm, pmfan57 <jwrag... at (no spam) aol.com> wrote:



On Oct 21, 7:06 pm, "D. Flynn" <gu... at (no spam) msn.com> wrote:

On Oct 21, 5:38 pm, pmfan57 <jwrag... at (no spam) aol.com> wrote:

On Oct 20, 1:10 pm, "D. Flynn" <gu... at (no spam) msn.com> wrote:

On Oct 19, 5:08 pm, danstearns <daniel_anthony_stea... at (no spam) yahoo.com
wrote:

i've always looked at Abraham's fights and thought, gee, this guy is
so beatable......those wild, wide shots, especially the left hook,
that habit of not doing much of anything for 70% of the fight, that
tendency to stalk and drop his guard. And then.....boom, and guys
who've been pressing and leading but largely hitting nothing but
gloves and forearms all night long suddenly get hit and crumple to the
ground into something resembling broken marionettes or human
contortionists. Power aside, patient guy this Arthur Abraham.

Still, i just can't help but think that he's going to find his
'Hopkins' as did Pavlik---that is someone who's clever enough to take
advantage of his weaknesses. Granted, his weaknesses are much easier
to see than his strengths (punching power and physical stoutness
aside), but i always thought a straight RH puncher with real power
like say Kelly Pavlik, well Pavlik before the Hopkin's disaster, would
do well against him.......or conversely, a quick, slippery boxer with
a chin who could dance, poke, and juke out a points victory---
especially outside of Germany.

What do you guys think of Dirrell's chances to do the latter?

Dirrell has the style, speed,  height and reach to beat Abraham if -
and it's a big if-  his stamina holds up for 12 rounds.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

I disagree.  I was not impressed with Dirrell.  He is not nearly as
fluid as Taylor.  I think Abraham will beat him, either by devastating
KO if he stays anywhere near AA, or by decision if Dirrell runs away.
Ward looks much better than Dirrell too.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

To be honest I never said I was picking Dirrell over Abraham. I just
always thought he had a better chance than Taylor who I predicted
would be stopped in 8.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

I know it's like apples and oranges, but Taylor for most of his fight
with Froch kept his technique together and boxed very well.  Dirrell
on the other hand did not look fluid at all against Froch.  But I
guess because Dirrell might run more than Taylor he might have a
better chance at least to squeek out a decision against Abraham.  I
don't see him surviving the full fight absent full flight.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Two more things besides running that could help Dirrell make it to the
final bell:

1. Abraham is a famously slow starter

2. Holding, which Dirrell did way too much of against Froch

On Oct 22, 2:16 pm, Walter Mitty <mitti... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote:
pmfan57 <jwrag... at (no spam) aol.com> writes:
On Oct 21, 7:06 pm, "D. Flynn" <gu... at (no spam) msn.com> wrote:
On Oct 21, 5:38 pm, pmfan57 <jwrag... at (no spam) aol.com> wrote:

On Oct 20, 1:10 pm, "D. Flynn" <gu... at (no spam) msn.com> wrote:

On Oct 19, 5:08 pm, danstearns <daniel_anthony_stea... at (no spam) yahoo.com
wrote:

i've always looked at Abraham's fights and thought, gee, this guy is
so beatable......those wild, wide shots, especially the left hook,
that habit of not doing much of anything for 70% of the fight, that
tendency to stalk and drop his guard. And then.....boom, and guys
who've been pressing and leading but largely hitting nothing but
gloves and forearms all night long suddenly get hit and crumple to the
ground into something resembling broken marionettes or human
contortionists. Power aside, patient guy this Arthur Abraham.

Still, i just can't help but think that he's going to find his
'Hopkins' as did Pavlik---that is someone who's clever enough to take
advantage of his weaknesses. Granted, his weaknesses are much easier
to see than his strengths (punching power and physical stoutness
aside), but i always thought a straight RH puncher with real power
like say Kelly Pavlik, well Pavlik before the Hopkin's disaster, would
do well against him.......or conversely, a quick, slippery boxer with
a chin who could dance, poke, and juke out a points victory---
especially outside of Germany.

What do you guys think of Dirrell's chances to do the latter?

Dirrell has the style, speed,  height and reach to beat Abraham if -
and it's a big if-  his stamina holds up for 12 rounds.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

I disagree.  I was not impressed with Dirrell.  He is not nearly as
fluid as Taylor.  I think Abraham will beat him, either by devastating
KO if he stays anywhere near AA, or by decision if Dirrell runs away.
Ward looks much better than Dirrell too.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

To be honest I never said I was picking Dirrell over Abraham. I just
always thought he had a better chance than Taylor who I predicted
would be stopped in 8.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

I know it's like apples and oranges, but Taylor for most of his fight
with Froch kept his technique together and boxed very well.  Dirrell
on the other hand did not look fluid at all against Froch.  But I
guess because Dirrell might run more than Taylor he might have a
better chance at least to squeek out a decision against Abraham.  I
don't see him surviving the full fight absent full flight.

I have to agree with that.

The amusing thing for me is how quickly American interest will fade away
now ...

Not me. I appreciate good fighters regardless of where they were
born.

--
Rum, Sodomy And The Lash. Join The Royal Navy.

Rather than joining the Royal Navy I bought the Pogues cd of the same
title.

On Oct 22, 7:15 pm, "D. Flynn" <gu... at (no spam) msn.com> wrote:
On Oct 22, 1:30 pm, pmfan57 <jwrag... at (no spam) aol.com> wrote:



On Oct 21, 7:06 pm, "D. Flynn" <gu... at (no spam) msn.com> wrote:

On Oct 21, 5:38 pm, pmfan57 <jwrag... at (no spam) aol.com> wrote:

On Oct 20, 1:10 pm, "D. Flynn" <gu... at (no spam) msn.com> wrote:

On Oct 19, 5:08 pm, danstearns <daniel_anthony_stea... at (no spam) yahoo.com
wrote:

i've always looked at Abraham's fights and thought, gee, this guy is
so beatable......those wild, wide shots, especially the left hook,
that habit of not doing much of anything for 70% of the fight, that
tendency to stalk and drop his guard. And then.....boom, and guys
who've been pressing and leading but largely hitting nothing but
gloves and forearms all night long suddenly get hit and crumple to the
ground into something resembling broken marionettes or human
contortionists. Power aside, patient guy this Arthur Abraham.

Still, i just can't help but think that he's going to find his
'Hopkins' as did Pavlik---that is someone who's clever enough to take
advantage of his weaknesses. Granted, his weaknesses are much easier
to see than his strengths (punching power and physical stoutness
aside), but i always thought a straight RH puncher with real power
like say Kelly Pavlik, well Pavlik before the Hopkin's disaster, would
do well against him.......or conversely, a quick, slippery boxer with
a chin who could dance, poke, and juke out a points victory---
especially outside of Germany.

What do you guys think of Dirrell's chances to do the latter?

Dirrell has the style, speed,  height and reach to beat Abraham if -
and it's a big if-  his stamina holds up for 12 rounds.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

I disagree.  I was not impressed with Dirrell.  He is not nearly as
fluid as Taylor.  I think Abraham will beat him, either by devastating
KO if he stays anywhere near AA, or by decision if Dirrell runs away.
Ward looks much better than Dirrell too.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

To be honest I never said I was picking Dirrell over Abraham. I just
always thought he had a better chance than Taylor who I predicted
would be stopped in 8.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

I know it's like apples and oranges, but Taylor for most of his fight
with Froch kept his technique together and boxed very well.  Dirrell
on the other hand did not look fluid at all against Froch.  But I
guess because Dirrell might run more than Taylor he might have a
better chance at least to squeek out a decision against Abraham.  I
don't see him surviving the full fight absent full flight.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Two more things besides running that could help Dirrell make it to the
final bell:

1. Abraham is a famously slow starter

2. Holding, which Dirrell did way too much of against Froch

ehh, his holding was "controlled" in that he would let go just soon
enough to not get warned/penalized, as opposed to a Hatton (for
example), who will hold until the cows come home.

STRATEGY