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| Dot... |
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about a life saved (hopefully, guy is in critical condition)
http://tinyurl.com/yj578zu
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"You’ll never hear me say I beat the Peak. I’ve run up there pretty
fast, and that mountain doesn’t care. I’ll never conquer the Peak." -
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| Michelle... |
| Posted: Tue Oct 20, 2009 10:29 am |
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In article
<710f3a49-e975-42ca-b6e7-aa4b4396947d at (no spam) m7g2000prd.googlegroups.com>,
runsrealfast <runsrealfast at (no spam) hotmail.com> wrote:
Quote: I've not looked at the numbers but is it just because of fact that we
are in the information age, or are more people really dieing from
running?
More than likely, it's the information age; see the following CNN article.
-- Michelle
http://www.cnn.com/2009/HEALTH/10/20/health.marathon.fitness/index.html
Three runners collapsed and died during the Detroit Marathon on Sunday.
Although that news is shocking and frightening for runners and non-runners
alike, such deaths are rare, experts say.
"Among young people, high school and college athletes, there's one death in
about every 200,000 people [during exercise in general]," says Dr. Paul
Thompson, the director of cardiology at Hartford Hospital, in Connecticut.
"For older people, there's about one death in every 15,000 people. If you
look at really fit people, the death rate is even lower."
In fact, other activities may be more dangerous than running a marathon.
"More people die from lightning strikes while golfing," says Dr. William
Roberts, a professor of family medicine and community health at the
University of Minnesota, and the medical director of the Twin Cities
Marathon. "And it's probably safer to be running in these races than
driving in a car if you think about the number of deaths from traffic
accidents."
The three men who died in Sunday's race were believed to be in excellent
health and to have trained for the race, according to news reports. They
were 26, 36, and 65 years of age. Two collapsed at roughly the
half-marathon mark, or around 11 to 12 miles; the third had just crossed
the half-marathon finish line. Autopsies have been scheduled to determine
the causes of death, but officials suspect all three died from cardiac
arrest.
Two other races have been in the news this month after runners died: Two
people died at the end of the Rock 'n' Roll Half Marathon in San Jose,
California, and one person died at the Baltimore Marathon.
"When these things happen, they get our attention," says Thompson. "Even if
you're in good shape, it's no guarantee."
Who's at risk?
People most at risk for cardiac arrest during strenuous exercise are those
who have underlying heart problems but don't know it. Sometimes they have
heart abnormalities, which may have been present since birth. "With young
people it's congenital," says Thompson. "Their hearts are too thick, or
their arteries come off the wrong areas."
Other cardiac arrests are caused by ruptures of soft plaque in the
arteries, says Roberts. Unlike the hard plaque known to clog arteries, the
soft plaque may leave arteries open enough to go unnoticed. If they rupture
it can result in blood clots and heart attacks, says Roberts.
"If someone is habitually active, they are at less risk, but [the rupture]
is still going to happen," says Roberts. "Whether it happens when you're
out running the race is pretty hard to predict. We had a death at the Twin
Cities Marathon once and the man had had a [cardiac] stress test a few
weeks before that was normal."
The last death at a Detroit event was reported to be in 1994 when a
42-year-old man died after running more than 20 miles.
The race conditions in Detroit are probably not to blame for the multiple
deaths, says Roberts; he says that sometimes deaths occur in clusters just
by chance. More than 19,000 people were registered in the race.
Temperatures were low during the race (28 degrees at the start), but it was
essentially good race conditions, as runners are more likely to have
problems in hot weather. Although air pollution levels are generally higher
in large, urban areas such as Detroit, it's generally safe to run anywhere
unless there's a smog alert, says Roberts.
Even the unusual course -- the Detroit route takes runners through a tunnel
-- shouldn't have made a difference; a Hong Kong race that takes runners
through a particularly long tunnel has no higher death rates than any
other, he says.
How to stay safe during a race
Marathon deaths raise a number of other health concerns related to racing.
Concern around over-hydration swirled after a runner in the 2002 Boston
Marathon collapsed and died from drinking too much water. Marathon deaths
from drinking too much water are extremely rare -- there have only been
five in history, says Roberts -- but it is possible.
Excess water intake, generally by inexperienced runners worried about
dehydration, can cause a potentially life-threatening condition called
hyponatremia, or water intoxication.
Runners should aim to drink enough water to replace just a little bit less
than what they sweat out, says Roberts. To approximate that amount, weigh
yourself before and after a long run. The difference is how much sweat you
lost during that amount of time.
"To say, 'Drink this much every hour' is really hard," says Roberts,
"because of the huge variability in sweat rates in people." Be aware of how
much water you drink, but don't refrain from drinking when you're thirsty
just because you're scared of over-hydrating, he says.
Also, before long races, runners should avoid consuming anything that could
put them at greater risk of heat stroke, which includes anything that might
be dehydrating, such as alcohol, caffeine, and foods high in sodium, warns
Roberts. Some medications may also increase your risk, so check with a
doctor. Otherwise, stick to your usual medication and eating habits.
Above all, make sure you are fit enough to run. Talk to your doctor about
any family risk factors like high blood pressure or diabetes, and check for
potential problems, like high cholesterol, experts say.
"If there is anything suspicious in your family history, review that with
your physician and see if there's any workup that needs to happen before
you race," says Roberts. "If you have a clean family history and you've
been running all your life, you should be fine. If you've been sitting on
the couch for a while, make sure your past history isn't going to catch up
with you."
Thompson recommends that runners pay attention to their body while
exercising and be sure not to ignore symptoms that could be a sign of
underlying problems.
"We found about 50 percent of people in our studies had symptoms they chose
to ignore," says Thompson. Those symptoms included heartburn, tightness in
the chest, and tightness in the arms brought on by exercise -- all of which
could be symptoms of heart problems.
Still, the experts agree that it's important to not worry too much about
rare occurrences.
"If we worried about the rare stuff all the time, we wouldn't do anything,"
says Roberts. Depending on your health, perhaps a full marathon won't be
the best fit, but that doesn't by any means necessitate cutting out
exercise altogether.
"People should be exercising regularly for their own health," Roberts says.
"It's the cheapest medicine we have."
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| Dot... |
| Posted: Tue Oct 20, 2009 11:21 pm |
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pithydoug wrote:
Quote: On Oct 20, 3:03 am, runsrealfast <runsrealf... at (no spam) hotmail.com> wrote:
On Oct 19, 11:54 pm, Dot <AKTrailRun at (no spam) #gmail.com> wrote:
about a life saved (hopefully, guy is in critical condition)http://tinyurl.com/yj578zu
--
"You’ll never hear me say I beat the Peak. I’ve run up there pretty
fast, and that mountain doesn’t care. I’ll never conquer the Peak." -
Matt Carpenter
I've not looked at the numbers but is it just because of fact that we
are in the information age, or are more people really dieing from
running?
A little of both. Without a doubt the information age carries news
faster and negative news travels even faster.
That was one of the interesting points of the story. The newspaper took
pictures of the guys saving the one guy, but never reported on it. They
apparently used that picture to make it look like one of the deaths.
I've noticed our local (Anchorage) paper is pretty bad about accuracy,
and Fbks is a little better. But compared with some of these other
papers linked to in various threads, they're about even with the rest of
the country. News vs rumor, but gotta get it to the headlines first.
It's also interesting how that thread got mostly sidetracked about DQing
the medics - after they went out of their way to save the guy, I think
they took him to hospital, then returned to where they left the course
and continued their own race.
Quote: Running is also growing
and with this comes, problems.
While we only focus on deaths, I wonder if the number of people that
end up in the medical tent after a race is also increasing? And if we
slice and dice these people what is the primary problem or problems?
I'm willing to bet more people are running with less knowledge of
running and more dependence on aid stations and medical assistance -
since that's the way races are organized now - at least in lower 48.
Start out and if things don't work out, just bail. I've been appalled at
the number of race participants who complain about this and that about
assistance.
Dot
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"You’ll never hear me say I beat the Peak. I’ve run up there pretty
fast, and that mountain doesn’t care. I’ll never conquer the Peak." -
Matt Carpenter |
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| Ken... |
| Posted: Wed Oct 21, 2009 3:57 am |
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In article <hbm5of$5gl$1 at (no spam) news.eternal-september.org>, Dot
<AKTrailRun at (no spam) #gmail.com> writes
Quote: pithydoug wrote:
On Oct 20, 3:03 am, runsrealfast <runsrealf... at (no spam) hotmail.com> wrote:
On Oct 19, 11:54 pm, Dot <AKTrailRun at (no spam) #gmail.com> wrote:
about a life saved (hopefully, guy is in critical
condition)http://tinyurl.com/yj578zu
--
"You’ll never hear me say I beat the Peak. I’ve run up there pretty
fast, and that mountain doesn’t care. I’ll never conquer the Peak." -
Matt Carpenter
I've not looked at the numbers but is it just because of fact that we
are in the information age, or are more people really dieing from
running?
A little of both. Without a doubt the information age carries news
faster and negative news travels even faster.
That was one of the interesting points of the story. The newspaper took
pictures of the guys saving the one guy, but never reported on it. They
apparently used that picture to make it look like one of the deaths.
I've noticed our local (Anchorage) paper is pretty bad about accuracy,
and Fbks is a little better. But compared with some of these other
papers linked to in various threads, they're about even with the rest of
the country. News vs rumor, but gotta get it to the headlines first.
It's also interesting how that thread got mostly sidetracked about
DQing the medics - after they went out of their way to save the guy, I
think they took him to hospital, then returned to where they left the
course and continued their own race.
I don't know how the system was able to detect the fact that runners had
left the course. In any case, I'm not clear whether the narrator was
arguing that the race rules were inherently unjust and unfair, or that
the race medal should not simply recognise athletic achievement but also
good citizenship.
Many observers would say that a race is a race, and that nobility of
intention or purpose isn't sufficiently good reason for effecting a
pretence that a person has completed the race within the rules, when he
hasn't.
Charity collection and sponsorship can sometimes muddy the waters.
Maunque journalists are wont to argue that some worthy cause won't get
the money they expected through infraction of some race rule. Of course,
there is nothing to stop donors from giving the money anyway. That is a
matter for them. It is open to a runner to explain the facts honestly to
his donors and allow them to make reasoned decision. Again, it is
arguable that if the RD co-operates in a pretence that a marathon has
been completed according to the rules when it hasn't, he is technically
committing, or is an accessory to, a fraud against the donor.
Cases where a race is interrupted or terminated to help in a civil
emergency must be quite small. On the other hand number swapping (and
the consequent disqualification upon apprehension) is a huge problem
across the world. Runners will invariably justify their actions on the
basis that it was necessary to enable their chosen cause to get its
money..
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Ken |
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| Tony S.... |
| Posted: Wed Oct 21, 2009 8:27 am |
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"runsrealfast" <runsrealfast at (no spam) hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:710f3a49-e975-42ca-b6e7-aa4b4396947d at (no spam) m7g2000prd.googlegroups.com...
On Oct 19, 11:54 pm, Dot <AKTrailRun at (no spam) #gmail.com> wrote:
Quote: about a life saved (hopefully, guy is in critical
condition)http://tinyurl.com/yj578zu
--
"You’ll never hear me say I beat the Peak. I’ve run up there pretty
fast, and that mountain doesn’t care. I’ll never conquer the Peak." -
Matt Carpenter
I've not looked at the numbers but is it just because of fact that we
are in the information age, or are more people really dieing from
running?
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I'd bet that most of the people dropping dead in marathons (or HMs) are
people living with risk factors, either well known ones (if they got
checkups) or rare ones, and that the event just sends them over the
edge, but that, in any case, they wouldn't live out to normal life
expectancy anyway.
Just reading the leading causes of death (to me) illustrates how much we
as a people are living with inflammation, blood clogging diets, and more
strange chemicals in our bodies than ever before hin history, causing
cancer perhaps more than before and other chronic conditions.
1
Diseases of heart (heart disease)
2
Malignant neoplasms (cancer)
3
Cerebrovascular diseases (stroke)
4
Chronic lower respiratory diseases
5
Accidents (unintentional injuries)
6
Diabetes mellitus (diabetes)
7
Alzheimer’s disease
8
Influenza and pneumonia
9
Nephritis, nephrotic syndrome and nephrosis (kidney disease)
10
Septicemia
11
Intentional self-harm (suicide)
12
Chronic liver disease and cirrhosis
13
Essential hypertension and hypertensive renal disease
(hypertension)
14
Parkinson’s disease
15
Assault (homicide)
Source: CDC |
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| Dot... |
| Posted: Wed Oct 21, 2009 6:39 pm |
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Ken wrote:
Quote: In article <hbm5of$5gl$1 at (no spam) news.eternal-september.org>, Dot
AKTrailRun at (no spam) #gmail.com> writes
pithydoug wrote:
On Oct 20, 3:03 am, runsrealfast <runsrealf... at (no spam) hotmail.com> wrote:
On Oct 19, 11:54 pm, Dot <AKTrailRun at (no spam) #gmail.com> wrote:
about a life saved (hopefully, guy is in critical
condition)http://tinyurl.com/yj578zu
--
"You’ll never hear me say I beat the Peak. I’ve run up there pretty
fast, and that mountain doesn’t care. I’ll never conquer the Peak." -
Matt Carpenter
I've not looked at the numbers but is it just because of fact that we
are in the information age, or are more people really dieing from
running?
A little of both. Without a doubt the information age carries news
faster and negative news travels even faster.
That was one of the interesting points of the story. The newspaper took
pictures of the guys saving the one guy, but never reported on it.
They apparently used that picture to make it look like one of the deaths.
I've noticed our local (Anchorage) paper is pretty bad about accuracy,
and Fbks is a little better. But compared with some of these other
papers linked to in various threads, they're about even with the rest of
the country. News vs rumor, but gotta get it to the headlines first.
It's also interesting how that thread got mostly sidetracked about
DQing the medics - after they went out of their way to save the guy, I
think they took him to hospital, then returned to where they left the
course and continued their own race.
I don't know how the system was able to detect the fact that runners had
left the course.
That's not clear either, unless it was some really strange splits or
passing another mat while transporting downed runner to aid. It's not
obvious if there were any mats other than the finish.
Quote: In any case, I'm not clear whether the narrator was
arguing that the race rules were inherently unjust and unfair, or that
the race medal should not simply recognise athletic achievement but also
good citizenship.
I think her point was that some people would put saving a life above a
race. The DQ/no medal was side point. The guy was ok with it, at least
the day or so after, so it seemed. The only value in the medal would
have been if they collect medals to give to kids at local races or
something along those lines.
As you point out later, not sure if an "official finish" has some
implications for their fund raising vs just going from start to finish -
with a side trip to save a life.
My point relative to the news coverage is that it's easy to talk about
something "bad" or Monday-morning qb after whatever, but to highlight
when someone has done something good is well, not as prone to being
discussed.
Dot
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"You’ll never hear me say I beat the Peak. I’ve run up there pretty
fast, and that mountain doesn’t care. I’ll never conquer the Peak." -
Matt Carpenter |
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| aeiouy... |
| Posted: Fri Oct 23, 2009 8:35 pm |
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Quote: Just reading the leading causes of death (to me) illustrates how much we
as a people are living with inflammation, blood clogging diets, and more
strange chemicals in our bodies than ever before hin history, causing
cancer perhaps more than before and other chronic conditions.
1
Diseases of heart (heart disease)
2
Malignant neoplasms (cancer)
3
Cerebrovascular diseases (stroke)
4
Chronic lower respiratory diseases
5
Accidents (unintentional injuries)
6
Diabetes mellitus (diabetes)
7
Alzheimer’s disease
8
Influenza and pneumonia
9
Nephritis, nephrotic syndrome and nephrosis (kidney disease)
10
Septicemia
11
Intentional self-harm (suicide)
12
Chronic liver disease and cirrhosis
13
Essential hypertension and hypertensive renal disease (hypertension)
14
Parkinson’s disease
15
Assault (homicide)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AuOB0hVOOXM
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