On Oct 20, 9:18=A0am, hal wrote:
On Mon, 19 Oct 2009 15:55:54 -0700 (PDT), "travis... at (no spam) aol.cominyrface"

travis... at (no spam) aol.com> wrote:
So what do you suggest?

You have to ask AGAIN?

I mean, I'm sure, hal, that even in the face of this conclusive PROOF
that you voted for the Bankermanchurian Candidate, you'll continue to
bleat about Busch and the GOP and all of this crap when he is simply
part of the same party as NeObama is. =A0That would be the THEY party.
We are the WE party. =A0These two parties are not the same.

My solution, again, is to vote every motherfucker out, stop wasting
your vote on main party candidates, and essentially to burn down the
socialist leviathan government.

I mean seriously. =A0You know that isn't going to happen.

Same bullshit defeatist attitude as spuds and herbert.

You motherfuckers are pathetic.

then we are FUCKED and you will go down with the ship, asshole.

Trav

----Even if it does, the cure may be worse than the disease...can you
imagine the green party and the different categories of loonytarians
actually getting anything done *at all*? Gridlock would be the kinder
term...

On Tue, 20 Oct 2009 16:58:39 -0700 (PDT), "travisgod at (no spam) aol.cominyrface"
travisgod at (no spam) aol.com> wrote:

On Oct 20, 9:18=A0am, hal wrote:
On Mon, 19 Oct 2009 15:55:54 -0700 (PDT), "travis... at (no spam) aol.cominyrface"

travis... at (no spam) aol.com> wrote:
So what do you suggest?
You have to ask AGAIN?
I mean, I'm sure, hal, that even in the face of this conclusive PROOF
that you voted for the Bankermanchurian Candidate, you'll continue to
bleat about Busch and the GOP and all of this crap when he is simply
part of the same party as NeObama is. =A0That would be the THEY party.
We are the WE party. =A0These two parties are not the same.
My solution, again, is to vote every motherfucker out, stop wasting
your vote on main party candidates, and essentially to burn down the
socialist leviathan government.
I mean seriously. =A0You know that isn't going to happen.
Same bullshit defeatist attitude as spuds and herbert.

You motherfuckers are pathetic.

then we are FUCKED and you will go down with the ship, asshole.

I'm being realistic. The entire country is not suddenly going to vote
all their reps out of offfice en mass.

So now what?

Besides being totally fucked, I mean. I've known about how totally
fucked we are much longer than you. But do you have any suggestions
for something that actually has a chance of happening?

Besides being totally fucked, I mean. I've known about how totally
fucked we are much longer than you. But do you have any suggestions
for something that actually has a chance of happening?

---There's just more of the same runnin' with them....votes for fringe
candidates are a waste, that's cut and dried...

----Even if it does, the cure may be worse than the disease...can you
imagine the green party and the different categories of loonytarians
actually getting anything done *at all*? Gridlock would be the kinder
term...

Most of the best economic growth in recent memory has come during
terms when one party held the legislative branch, and the other held
the executive.  Most of the worse economic declines have come when the
same party held both.

It's all about checks and balances.  When the power is split,
everything the government does it up to real scrutiny; and when
something does actually come out it is more likely to have broad,
evidence based support.

again, I'm being realistic.  You aren't going to get everyone in the
country to suddenly vote everyone out.  Not sure it would fix much of
anything anyway.  The lobbyists will simply keep dumping their
millions in congress.  So nothing will change.  

again, I'm being realistic. =A0You aren't going to get everyone in the
country to suddenly vote everyone out. =A0Not sure it would fix much of
anything anyway. =A0The lobbyists will simply keep dumping their
millions in congress. =A0So nothing will change. =A0

Then nothing can be changed and the entire system will collapse, which
is what you are hoping happens because it is your only shot at being
somebody.

But things aren't going to work out the way you think they will.

Trav

yes they will.

But things aren't going to work out the way you think they will.

yes they will.

Only in your dreams.

On Fri, 23 Oct 2009 08:41:06 -0700 (PDT), Shuurai

shuura... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote:

But things aren't going to work out the way you think they will.

yes they will.

Only in your dreams.

They MUST.  There is not way out of it.  We are in an extreme CC
overshoot period.   We have surpassed peak oil, peak food, and peak
water by a longshot.  A catastrophic crash is inevitable.  There is no
other alternative.  The only question remains is how long, and how bad
the crash.  

Irrelevent.

of course I know that.  I never said otherwise.  But it's not just
growing food.  It's food preparation and washing too.  It's all uses
of fresh water for human consumption.  Already over a billion people
do not have access to adequate clean and the number is increasing
exponentially.

On Oct 27, hal wrote:
We have surpassed peak
oil, peak food, and peak water by a longshot.

peak water?
Have we burned up all the earth's water already?

do you know what clean water is? =A0Do you know how many people in the
world do not have access to clean water? =A0Do you know how much
diseased is caused by polluted water?

So, a lot of folks don't have clean water - a
completely new phenomenon in world history
(the rich stole it all) - that's peak water?

Sam

On Wed, 28 Oct 2009 17:44:43 -0700, Sam the Bam wrote:

So, a lot of folks don't have clean water - a
completely new phenomenon in world history
(the rich stole it all) - that's peak water?

Most of the potable "clean" water in use today, by a WIDE margin, is used
in agriculture as irrigation, not for direct human consumption. If there
are aquifers being depleted (and there's good evidence to suggest that
some are) then it is because of open air irrigation methods which grow the
food that is exported to people in countries which have neither food nor
aquifers or other "clean water" sources.

If there is such a thing as "peak water" its impact is NOT on drinking and
bathing, but on GROWING FOOD.

But hal is too stupid, deliberately uninformed, narrow minded, and short
sightedly cheer-leading his pet political and social causes to know this.

(IH)