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Posted: Sun Oct 18, 2009 2:23 pm
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Let us hope that Jermain Taylor recovers from another knock out blow
resulting in a concussion..

I personally think he should pack it in to avoid a more serious injury
later on. The residuals alone should cause some concern for his
manager/promoter and boxing commissions throughout the world.

As often seen in other fighters who posses good boxing skills but lack
an ever present KO power coupled with a fact of not having enough
stamina to get through an entire fight, it's not a good thing to try
and overcome.

Taylor is damned if he doesn't (lack of KO power) and damned if does
(great boxing skills) but he can't not deliver in the late rounds of a
fight.

Just think of those fighter who possess all three elements: KO power,
boxing skills and great stamina. Couple this with a focused intent and
a degree of meanness. I'll bet any of the RSB regulars and the good
new contributors on RSB can, upon giving thought, could name the
fighters that fit that mold.

Enjoy.

DCI

DCI
 
pablo...
Posted: Sun Oct 18, 2009 2:23 pm
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Agreed. Taylor now is more and more of a quality roadblock, unable to
assert himself. He fights in a very predictable fashion.

He's had a good career. And now it is not going anywhere.
 
danstearns...
Posted: Sun Oct 18, 2009 2:23 pm
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On Oct 18, 4:23 pm, ne... at (no spam) millions.com wrote:
Quote:
Let us hope that Jermain Taylor recovers from another knock out blow
resulting in a concussion..

I personally think he should pack it in to avoid a more serious injury
later on. The residuals alone should cause some concern for his
manager/promoter and boxing commissions throughout the world.

As often seen in other fighters who posses good boxing skills but lack
an ever present KO power coupled with a fact of not having enough
stamina to get through an entire fight, it's not a good thing to try
and overcome.

Taylor is damned if he doesn't (lack of KO power) and damned if does
(great boxing skills) but he can't not deliver in the late rounds of a
fight.

Just think of those fighter who possess all three elements: KO power,
boxing skills and great stamina. Couple this with a focused intent and
a degree of meanness. I'll bet any of the RSB regulars and the good
new contributors on RSB can, upon giving thought, could name the
fighters that fit that mold.

Enjoy.

DCI

DCI

i hope Jermaine retires. I always thought he was a class act, and i
don't want to see him fight anymore....ever. he always looks good
enough, but of late everything seems to come tumbling in on him in the
most emotionally and physically damaging fashion possible. That ko
last night was the ugliest of the three ImO, and if Abraham had
connected with that left on the way down it could've really been a
tragedy.....and why on earth was the referee counting? it's really
absurd, I mean he was rigid with spasms , and clearly as out and in
potential danger as you're going to get in that situation.
 
Mr.Will...
Posted: Sun Oct 18, 2009 2:36 pm
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<never at (no spam) millions.com> wrote in message
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Quote:

Let us hope that Jermain Taylor recovers from another knock out blow
resulting in a concussion..

I personally think he should pack it in to avoid a more serious injury
later on. The residuals alone should cause some concern for his
manager/promoter and boxing commissions throughout the world.

As often seen in other fighters who posses good boxing skills but lack
an ever present KO power coupled with a fact of not having enough
stamina to get through an entire fight, it's not a good thing to try
and overcome.

Taylor is damned if he doesn't (lack of KO power) and damned if does
(great boxing skills) but he can't not deliver in the late rounds of a
fight.

Just think of those fighter who possess all three elements: KO power,
boxing skills and great stamina. Couple this with a focused intent and
a degree of meanness. I'll bet any of the RSB regulars and the good
new contributors on RSB can, upon giving thought, could name the
fighters that fit that mold.

Enjoy.

DCI

You would really think it is the end of the road for Taylor.
I actually thought he did have KO power at one point in his career.
Sadly it seems not to be the case as of late.

His career is taking a worrying pattern of late KO's preceeded by rounds of
exhaustion.
Its happened not once, but many times now.

Mr.Will
 
Mr.Will...
Posted: Sun Oct 18, 2009 7:16 pm
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"danstearns" <daniel_anthony_stearns at (no spam) yahoo.com> wrote in message
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On Oct 18, 4:23 pm, ne... at (no spam) millions.com wrote:
Quote:
Let us hope that Jermain Taylor recovers from another knock out blow
resulting in a concussion..

I personally think he should pack it in to avoid a more serious injury
later on. The residuals alone should cause some concern for his
manager/promoter and boxing commissions throughout the world.

As often seen in other fighters who posses good boxing skills but lack
an ever present KO power coupled with a fact of not having enough
stamina to get through an entire fight, it's not a good thing to try
and overcome.

Taylor is damned if he doesn't (lack of KO power) and damned if does
(great boxing skills) but he can't not deliver in the late rounds of a
fight.

Just think of those fighter who possess all three elements: KO power,
boxing skills and great stamina. Couple this with a focused intent and
a degree of meanness. I'll bet any of the RSB regulars and the good
new contributors on RSB can, upon giving thought, could name the
fighters that fit that mold.

Enjoy.

DCI

DCI

i hope Jermaine retires. I always thought he was a class act, and i
don't want to see him fight anymore....ever. he always looks good
enough, but of late everything seems to come tumbling in on him in the
most emotionally and physically damaging fashion possible. That ko
last night was the ugliest of the three ImO, and if Abraham had
connected with that left on the way down it could've really been a
tragedy.....and why on earth was the referee counting? it's really
absurd, I mean he was rigid with spasms , and clearly as out and in
potential danger as you're going to get in that situation.
----------
Yes it was as if the referee didnt want Abraham to have a "TKO" but instead
a "KO"
He even continued counting when Taylor's cornermen were in the ring trying
to shove him out of the way and help their fighter(instant DQ I think).

He was badly knocked out and the ref should have waved it over instantly.

Mr.Will
 
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Posted: Sun Oct 18, 2009 7:34 pm
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On Mon, 19 Oct 2009 02:16:58 +0100, "Mr.Will" <will at (no spam) mr-will.co.uk>
wrote:

Quote:

"danstearns" <daniel_anthony_stearns at (no spam) yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:91eef570-9d4e-4a1a-ada0-cccb1bbaf074 at (no spam) v30g2000yqm.googlegroups.com...
On Oct 18, 4:23 pm, ne... at (no spam) millions.com wrote:
Let us hope that Jermain Taylor recovers from another knock out blow
resulting in a concussion..

I personally think he should pack it in to avoid a more serious injury
later on. The residuals alone should cause some concern for his
manager/promoter and boxing commissions throughout the world.

As often seen in other fighters who posses good boxing skills but lack
an ever present KO power coupled with a fact of not having enough
stamina to get through an entire fight, it's not a good thing to try
and overcome.

Taylor is damned if he doesn't (lack of KO power) and damned if does
(great boxing skills) but he can't not deliver in the late rounds of a
fight.

Just think of those fighter who possess all three elements: KO power,
boxing skills and great stamina. Couple this with a focused intent and
a degree of meanness. I'll bet any of the RSB regulars and the good
new contributors on RSB can, upon giving thought, could name the
fighters that fit that mold.

Enjoy.

DCI

DCI

i hope Jermaine retires. I always thought he was a class act, and i
don't want to see him fight anymore....ever. he always looks good
enough, but of late everything seems to come tumbling in on him in the
most emotionally and physically damaging fashion possible. That ko
last night was the ugliest of the three ImO, and if Abraham had
connected with that left on the way down it could've really been a
tragedy.....and why on earth was the referee counting? it's really
absurd, I mean he was rigid with spasms , and clearly as out and in
potential danger as you're going to get in that situation.
----------
Yes it was as if the referee didnt want Abraham to have a "TKO" but instead
a "KO"
He even continued counting when Taylor's cornermen were in the ring trying
to shove him out of the way and help their fighter(instant DQ I think).

He was badly knocked out and the ref should have waved it over instantly.

Mr.Will


There are ocassions where a referee has a sick lil' man running
through his minde and is willing to play referee until they the fallen
fight out of the ring on a stretcher. It's sad but true. There seems
to be no real mechanisms in the world-wide venues to screen them out.

and I've had two or three in my time. And I knew going in what I had
to look for.

Such is life.

DCI
 
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Posted: Sun Oct 18, 2009 8:39 pm
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On Sun, 18 Oct 2009 18:34:26 -0700, never at (no spam) millions.com wrote:

Quote:
On Mon, 19 Oct 2009 02:16:58 +0100, "Mr.Will" <will at (no spam) mr-will.co.uk
wrote:


"danstearns" <daniel_anthony_stearns at (no spam) yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:91eef570-9d4e-4a1a-ada0-cccb1bbaf074 at (no spam) v30g2000yqm.googlegroups.com...
On Oct 18, 4:23 pm, ne... at (no spam) millions.com wrote:
Let us hope that Jermain Taylor recovers from another knock out blow
resulting in a concussion..

I personally think he should pack it in to avoid a more serious injury
later on. The residuals alone should cause some concern for his
manager/promoter and boxing commissions throughout the world.

As often seen in other fighters who posses good boxing skills but lack
an ever present KO power coupled with a fact of not having enough
stamina to get through an entire fight, it's not a good thing to try
and overcome.

Taylor is damned if he doesn't (lack of KO power) and damned if does
(great boxing skills) but he can't not deliver in the late rounds of a
fight.

Just think of those fighter who possess all three elements: KO power,
boxing skills and great stamina. Couple this with a focused intent and
a degree of meanness. I'll bet any of the RSB regulars and the good
new contributors on RSB can, upon giving thought, could name the
fighters that fit that mold.

Enjoy.

DCI

DCI

i hope Jermaine retires. I always thought he was a class act, and i
don't want to see him fight anymore....ever. he always looks good
enough, but of late everything seems to come tumbling in on him in the
most emotionally and physically damaging fashion possible. That ko
last night was the ugliest of the three ImO, and if Abraham had
connected with that left on the way down it could've really been a
tragedy.....and why on earth was the referee counting? it's really
absurd, I mean he was rigid with spasms , and clearly as out and in
potential danger as you're going to get in that situation.
----------
Yes it was as if the referee didnt want Abraham to have a "TKO" but instead
a "KO"
He even continued counting when Taylor's cornermen were in the ring trying
to shove him out of the way and help their fighter(instant DQ I think).

He was badly knocked out and the ref should have waved it over instantly.

Mr.Will



Couple of corrections ot my stuff:

Quote:
There are ocassions where a referee has a sick lil' man running
through his mind and is willing to play referee until the fallen
fighter out of the ring on a stretcher. It's sad but true. There seems
to be no real mechanisms in the world-wide venues to screen them out.

And I've had two or three in my time. And I knew going in what I had
to look for.

Such is life.

DCI
 
SkippyPB...
Posted: Mon Oct 19, 2009 7:57 am
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On Sun, 18 Oct 2009 13:23:17 -0700, never at (no spam) millions.com wrote:

Quote:

Let us hope that Jermain Taylor recovers from another knock out blow
resulting in a concussion..

I personally think he should pack it in to avoid a more serious injury
later on. The residuals alone should cause some concern for his
manager/promoter and boxing commissions throughout the world.

As often seen in other fighters who posses good boxing skills but lack
an ever present KO power coupled with a fact of not having enough
stamina to get through an entire fight, it's not a good thing to try
and overcome.

Taylor is damned if he doesn't (lack of KO power) and damned if does
(great boxing skills) but he can't not deliver in the late rounds of a
fight.

Just think of those fighter who possess all three elements: KO power,
boxing skills and great stamina. Couple this with a focused intent and
a degree of meanness. I'll bet any of the RSB regulars and the good
new contributors on RSB can, upon giving thought, could name the
fighters that fit that mold.

Enjoy.

DCI

DCI

Sounds like Manny Pacquiao to me.

Jermaine should probably find another line of work. He's no longer
capable of beating any of the top tier guys in middle or super middle
weight classes. Maybe this loss will set him on a different path.

Regards,
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NORM: "My butt cheeks on that bar stool."
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Walter Mitty...
Posted: Mon Oct 19, 2009 8:07 am
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SkippyPB <swiegand at (no spam) Nospam.neo.rr.com> writes:

Quote:
On Sun, 18 Oct 2009 13:23:17 -0700, never at (no spam) millions.com wrote:


Let us hope that Jermain Taylor recovers from another knock out blow
resulting in a concussion..

I personally think he should pack it in to avoid a more serious injury
later on. The residuals alone should cause some concern for his
manager/promoter and boxing commissions throughout the world.

As often seen in other fighters who posses good boxing skills but lack
an ever present KO power coupled with a fact of not having enough
stamina to get through an entire fight, it's not a good thing to try
and overcome.

Taylor is damned if he doesn't (lack of KO power) and damned if does
(great boxing skills) but he can't not deliver in the late rounds of a
fight.

Just think of those fighter who possess all three elements: KO power,
boxing skills and great stamina. Couple this with a focused intent and
a degree of meanness. I'll bet any of the RSB regulars and the good
new contributors on RSB can, upon giving thought, could name the
fighters that fit that mold.

Enjoy.

DCI

DCI

Sounds like Manny Pacquiao to me.

Jermaine should probably find another line of work. He's no longer
capable of beating any of the top tier guys in middle or super middle
weight classes. Maybe this loss will set him on a different path.

Of course he is capable. His boxing skills have not diminished :- he had
Froch well beaten. And Abraham is another unbeaten hard case.

Sure his stamina might be suspect but to say he cant beat any of the top
tier is way off the mark.

Having said that better he does retire if he does not need the money.


Quote:

Regards,
--
////
(o o)
-oOO--(_)--OOo-

SAM: "What's going down, Normie?"
NORM: "My butt cheeks on that bar stool."
-- From American TV Show, "Cheers"
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Remove nospam to email me.

Steve

Sigs should be set with "-- " and not "--". It's a courtesy to others
whose news readers are set up to correctly snip them in reply.


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Mr.Will...
Posted: Mon Oct 19, 2009 2:41 pm
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"Walter Mitty" <mitticus at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote in message
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Quote:
SkippyPB <swiegand at (no spam) Nospam.neo.rr.com> writes:

On Sun, 18 Oct 2009 13:23:17 -0700, never at (no spam) millions.com wrote:


Let us hope that Jermain Taylor recovers from another knock out blow
resulting in a concussion..

I personally think he should pack it in to avoid a more serious injury
later on. The residuals alone should cause some concern for his
manager/promoter and boxing commissions throughout the world.

As often seen in other fighters who posses good boxing skills but lack
an ever present KO power coupled with a fact of not having enough
stamina to get through an entire fight, it's not a good thing to try
and overcome.

Taylor is damned if he doesn't (lack of KO power) and damned if does
(great boxing skills) but he can't not deliver in the late rounds of a
fight.

Just think of those fighter who possess all three elements: KO power,
boxing skills and great stamina. Couple this with a focused intent and
a degree of meanness. I'll bet any of the RSB regulars and the good
new contributors on RSB can, upon giving thought, could name the
fighters that fit that mold.

Enjoy.

DCI

DCI

Sounds like Manny Pacquiao to me.

Jermaine should probably find another line of work. He's no longer
capable of beating any of the top tier guys in middle or super middle
weight classes. Maybe this loss will set him on a different path.

Of course he is capable. His boxing skills have not diminished :- he had
Froch well beaten. And Abraham is another unbeaten hard case.

Sure his stamina might be suspect but to say he cant beat any of the top
tier is way off the mark.

Having said that better he does retire if he does not need the money.

Heya Walter, I think this is one of those instances where his results
definitely tell all.
If you wanted to read into it, the facts that should be considered are the
manner of his defeats and how damaging they are to him, as I think its more
important in terms of what could potentially happen to his career.

Mr.Will
 
pablo...
Posted: Mon Oct 19, 2009 4:49 pm
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On Oct 19, 7:07 am, Walter Mitty <mitti... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote:
Quote:

Sure his stamina might be suspect but to say he cant beat any of the top
tier is way off the mark.

Unfortunately at this point in time there is a lot of evidence to back
exactly that argument up. Taylor has not beaten anyone of any caliber
in a while, quite the contrary, he's been knocked out. So he has
proven for 2 years he CAN'T beat the top tier. He can just lose.
Narrowly and heartbreakingly, yet none the less conclusively.
 
D. Flynn...
Posted: Tue Oct 20, 2009 7:05 am
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On Oct 18, 4:23 pm, ne... at (no spam) millions.com wrote:
Quote:
Let us hope that Jermain Taylor recovers from another knock out blow
resulting in a concussion..

I personally think he should pack it in to avoid a more serious injury
later on. The residuals alone should cause some concern for his
manager

But does Taylor's manager Al Haymon really have that much concern for
him or is he just planning on pimping him til he's totally shot?




/promoter and boxing commissions throughout the world.
Quote:

As often seen in other fighters who posses good boxing skills but lack
an ever present KO power coupled with a fact of not having enough
stamina to get through an entire fight, it's not a good thing to try
and overcome.

Taylor is damned if he doesn't (lack of KO power) and damned if does
(great boxing skills) but he can't not deliver in the late rounds of a
fight.

Just think of those fighter who possess all three elements: KO power,
boxing skills and great stamina. Couple this with a focused intent and
a degree of meanness. I'll bet any of the RSB regulars and the good
new contributors on RSB can, upon giving thought, could name the
fighters that fit that mold.

Enjoy.

DCI

DCI
 
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Posted: Tue Oct 20, 2009 12:01 pm
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On Tue, 20 Oct 2009 10:05:35 -0700 (PDT), "D. Flynn" <gunk7 at (no spam) msn.com>
wrote:

Quote:
On Oct 18, 4:23 pm, ne... at (no spam) millions.com wrote:
Let us hope that Jermain Taylor recovers from another knock out blow
resulting in a concussion..

I personally think he should pack it in to avoid a more serious injury
later on. The residuals alone should cause some concern for his
manager

But does Taylor's manager Al Haymon really have that much concern for
him or is he just planning on pimping him til he's totally shot?


That is a damned good and provocative question. I do not know what
traverses the mind of either Jermaine Taylor or his manager's mind or
thoughts. Time will tell.

I know of one trainer/manager who absolutely impressed me with his
caring/concern for his fighters and their welfare, health-wise and
financial. He possessed an unshakeable integrity and honesty. Jackie
McCoy (Warren Spaw) quietly with no yelling and ranting developed
fighters to their greatest potential yet was able to say, "Enough"
when it came time. He, himself, was injured in his career and had to
hand 'em up or ride quickly to "punch row," where too many fighters
end up. To me, he was an incredible human being and I secretly wanted
him to train me. My manager Delor Benoit, AKA Buddy O'Dell, was able
to tell me, "It's that time." We have maintained a friendship 1950.
The teo would have been a dream team for me.

Oh well.

Enjoy!

DCI
 
D. Flynn...
Posted: Wed Oct 21, 2009 1:11 pm
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On Oct 20, 2:01 pm, ne... at (no spam) millions.com wrote:
Quote:
On Tue, 20 Oct 2009 10:05:35 -0700 (PDT), "D. Flynn" <gu... at (no spam) msn.com
wrote:

On Oct 18, 4:23 pm, ne... at (no spam) millions.com wrote:
Let us hope that Jermain Taylor recovers from another knock out blow
resulting in a concussion..

I personally think he should pack it in to avoid a more serious injury
later on. The residuals alone should cause some concern for his
manager

But does Taylor's manager Al Haymon really have that much concern for
him or is he just planning on pimping him til he's totally shot?

That is a damned good and provocative question. I do not know what
traverses the mind of either Jermaine Taylor or his manager's mind or
thoughts. Time will tell.

I know of one trainer/manager who absolutely impressed me with his
caring/concern for his fighters and their welfare, health-wise and
financial. He possessed an unshakeable integrity and honesty. Jackie
McCoy (Warren Spaw) quietly with no yelling and ranting developed
fighters to their greatest potential yet was able to say, "Enough"
when it came time. He, himself, was injured in his career and had to
hand 'em up or ride quickly to "punch row," where too many fighters
end up. To me, he was an incredible human being and I secretly wanted
him to train me. My manager Delor Benoit, AKA Buddy O'Dell, was able
to tell me, "It's that time." We have maintained a friendship 1950.
The teo would have been a dream team for me.

Oh well.

Enjoy!

DCI

Well said.
 
 
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