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| Mike... |
Posted: Sun Oct 18, 2009 3:18 pm |
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In 1942 the Navy prescribed the use of zinc chromate on operational to
inhibit corrosion on the interior surfaces, such as wheel wells and
the inside of landing gear doors, of operational aircraft. Was zinc
chromate applied to these surfaces on prototypes like the XF6F-1, -2,
-3 and -4. I have seen B&W photos and appears that the surfaces in
question may have been left in natural metal, when these aircraft were
built in 1942. I have seen B&W photos of other aircraft in which zinc
chromate surfaces do not look any different than natural metal. |
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| Don Stauffer... |
Posted: Mon Oct 19, 2009 7:34 am |
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Mike wrote:
Quote: In 1942 the Navy prescribed the use of zinc chromate on operational to
inhibit corrosion on the interior surfaces, such as wheel wells and
the inside of landing gear doors, of operational aircraft. Was zinc
chromate applied to these surfaces on prototypes like the XF6F-1, -2,
-3 and -4. I have seen B&W photos and appears that the surfaces in
question may have been left in natural metal, when these aircraft were
built in 1942. I have seen B&W photos of other aircraft in which zinc
chromate surfaces do not look any different than natural metal.
In msny cases the metals were primed with zinc chromate but then painted
over, to provide even better protection. What got confusing was when
that paint was aluminum paint. The use of aluminum paint was popular
with the Navy in the thirties, but I think had disappeared by the time
of the Hellcat. I have seen landing gears painted aluminum color.
Don't remember what aircraft they were from. Starting about the WW2 era
white paint became popular for landing gear parts and this continued
into present day. |
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| Mike... |
Posted: Tue Oct 20, 2009 12:14 pm |
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On Oct 19, 8:34 am, Don Stauffer <stauf... at (no spam) usfamily.net> wrote:
Quote: Mike wrote:
In 1942 the Navy prescribed the use of zinc chromate on operational to
inhibit corrosion on the interior surfaces, such as wheel wells and
the inside of landing gear doors, of operational aircraft. Was zinc
chromate applied to these surfaces on prototypes like the XF6F-1, -2,
-3 and -4. I have seen B&W photos and appears that the surfaces in
question may have been left in natural metal, when these aircraft were
built in 1942. I have seen B&W photos of other aircraft in which zinc
chromate surfaces do not look any different than natural metal.
In msny cases the metals were primed with zinc chromate but then painted
over, to provide even better protection. What got confusing was when
that paint was aluminum paint. The use of aluminum paint was popular
with the Navy in the thirties, but I think had disappeared by the time
of the Hellcat. I have seen landing gears painted aluminum color.
Don't remember what aircraft they were from. Starting about the WW2 era
white paint became popular for landing gear parts and this continued
into present day.
According to Navy Air Colors 1911-1945, the Bureau of Aeronautics
issued a directive on 22 December 1942 prescribing Interior Green
(zinc chromate?) for all interior surfaces. From photographs, I get
the impression that some manufacturers, notably Douglas and
Consolidated were applying it to their aircraft earlier. It is not
clear whether Grumman was using it. Also the First three Hellcat
prototypes--the XF6F-1, -2 and -3
were originally finished in either bare metal or aluminum. The -4 was
converted from the -1 while in this finish. |
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| William Banaszak... |
Posted: Thu Oct 22, 2009 11:41 pm |
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Digressing a tad, did postwar sea blue gloss aircraft use green primers
inside wheel wells or switch to white or blue?
Bill Banaszak, MFE Sr. |
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| Val Kraut... |
Posted: Tue Oct 27, 2009 4:39 am |
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Quote: Digressing a tad, did postwar sea blue gloss aircraft use green primers
inside wheel wells or switch to white or blue?
If you walked around the Grumman shop areas in the late 60s everything in
assembly was one of two shades of chromate green primer. The assembly stands
had small hand paint pots to manually touch up where the paint was scratched
during assembly. The initial coat was usually sprayed. Initial flight test
of aircraft usually started before the final paint job was applied - so you
had aircraft flying in the primer or partial primer/final paint scheme. We
referred to them as greenies. Make an interesting model -something like an
E-2A in partial chromate, some bare metal on the nacelles, some Grey and
Stars and Bars on the fuselage sides. Conclusion is in general at least at
Grumman still green primer.
Val
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| willshak... |
Posted: Tue Oct 27, 2009 8:18 pm |
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on 10/27/2009 6:39 AM (ET) Val Kraut wrote the following:
Quote: Digressing a tad, did postwar sea blue gloss aircraft use green primers
inside wheel wells or switch to white or blue?
If you walked around the Grumman shop areas in the late 60s everything in
assembly was one of two shades of chromate green primer. The assembly stands
had small hand paint pots to manually touch up where the paint was scratched
during assembly. The initial coat was usually sprayed. Initial flight test
of aircraft usually started before the final paint job was applied - so you
had aircraft flying in the primer or partial primer/final paint scheme. We
referred to them as greenies. Make an interesting model -something like an
E-2A in partial chromate, some bare metal on the nacelles, some Grey and
Stars and Bars on the fuselage sides. Conclusion is in general at least at
Grumman still green primer.
Val
Kraut
Wasn't the zinc chromate paint applied to the aluminum sheets before it
left the aluminum plant and before it got to the plane manufacturer?
--
Bill
In Hamptonburgh, NY
In the original Orange County. Est. 1683
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| willshak... |
Posted: Tue Oct 27, 2009 8:20 pm |
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on 10/27/2009 10:18 PM (ET) willshak wrote the following:
Quote: on 10/27/2009 6:39 AM (ET) Val Kraut wrote the following:
Digressing a tad, did postwar sea blue gloss aircraft use green primers
inside wheel wells or switch to white or blue?
If you walked around the Grumman shop areas in the late 60s
everything in assembly was one of two shades of chromate green
primer. The assembly stands had small hand paint pots to manually
touch up where the paint was scratched during assembly. The initial
coat was usually sprayed. Initial flight test of aircraft usually
started before the final paint job was applied - so you had aircraft
flying in the primer or partial primer/final paint scheme. We
referred to them as greenies. Make an interesting model -something
like an E-2A in partial chromate, some bare metal on the nacelles,
some Grey and Stars and Bars on the fuselage sides. Conclusion is in
general at least at Grumman still green primer.
Val Kraut
Wasn't the zinc chromate paint applied to the aluminum sheets before
it left the aluminum plant and before it got to the plane manufacturer?
I meant the plane's panel fabricators, not the final manufacturer.
--
Bill
In Hamptonburgh, NY
In the original Orange County. Est. 1683
To email, remove the double zeroes after at (no spam) |
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| Val Kraut... |
Posted: Tue Oct 27, 2009 9:02 pm |
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Quote: Wasn't the zinc chromate paint applied to the aluminum sheets before it
left the aluminum plant and before it got to the plane manufacturer?
No the Aluminum came in bare. The machining, forming, heat treating etc
would have destroyed the zinc chromate coating during manufacturing. Small
parts were hung on hangers, others singly were spray painted before being
sent to the subassembly shops. The spray booths had water walls that
collected the overspray and essentially dumped in into a sump near the
plant. Periodicly they would let a sump drain - then scrap off the chromate
coating for disposal. Led to some major cleanups when environmental concerns
surfaced. Long island usues ground water for drinking supply.
Actually a more complicateed operation - at one time Grumman has an
automated paint line. The parts got attached to racks there were coded for
routes through stripping and cleaning operations to remove manufacturing
oils etc, then applied the correct paint coat.
Sometimes the Greenies actually had bare metal that segments that weren't
coated yet.
Somewhat OT - but during thte Berlin Airlift the Air Force refused to carry
one cargo as being too dangerous --Salt - the dust would corrode their
aircraft. The British flew it in on flying boats that had been properly
undercoated against sea salt. |
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