We went through the phase of MMA fighters tending to besat guys who
specialized for years, at whatever, BJJ wrestling, kicnboxing a long
while ago.
But IMO a new phase is starting
You guys see the recent WEC?
This kid who's 4-0 named Mackins who's never fought anyone was brought
in to lose to Wagney Fabiano.Wagney is top 5, considred by many the
best at 145And he's a world champion in BJJ.
He's beaten better world champion BJJers in MMA, because wagney is
gifted with toughness and punching power.So he does well standing.
Still he did the right thing vs mackens, a kid in his first WEC fight
will be wild agressive and ther was no film on him to be seen, so
wagney fought right, immediate takedown to Mackens guard.
And then something amazing happned.,
Mackens triangled the world champion in BJJ.
Now obviously Mackens has good skills, hes in the wec and trains at
linxxx academy so he's good at BJJ.
But his emphasis is MMA, and i sense always has been.
How does he get wagney?
well when u watch the tape, sure wagney doesnt respect that he has one
arm through as he should...afterall, he knows anyone can win, but
trinagle him? no way.
but wagney knows mma too, so he has mackens stacked into the
cage...the worst place to be in mma, using guard but you can slide
away from power shots and you can get your hips out well for subs,
wagney postures like a pro, gets a knee up and is gonna unload.
but mackens knows mma, and cleraly knows the cage, he kinds extends
upward tpo lock the sub, and the cage allows him to get his hips up
and with his head in he drives his hips up hard and gets the legs
crossed, wagney is cool, he starts repsceting the lock, but not
panicing, hes wagney afterall.and in a cage, one can get out of a
trinagle by getting the knee on the neck or face, or positiuoning so
the guys head is sidewards to the cage and so he cant get his head out
the right way to get it, yiou can kinda wedge out.
instead wagney oddly gets his ass up while his heads still down...dont
know what he was thinking, maybe that mackens sux, but mackens gets
his arm under the leg and pulls it in, so the angle gets perfect
wagney taps.
my point is that now you will start seeing more of bjj greats getting
subbed by mma fighters in mma, cause ther is just a little difference
in mma(i still didnt like that mackens didnt distract with elbows and
punches to help him when it was in , butyi digress) and you will see
kickboxers turnhed mma guys like cro cop geting wrecked standing like
he did last month by a kid whos straight mma.
cause mma is mma.and the day will soon come youl;l be thought crazy to
learn ground from a bjj guy, or wrestling from a wrestler or striking
form a boxer...if your goal is being an mma fighter.
thsi fight was big to me cause i train a kid who is in that division
who may face either or both the guys soon.hes the best fighter in the
world this kid i train.sounds insane, but im telling you know ufc
fighter ive trained with or bjjer, or kickboxer ive trained or
compoeted vj has anything like the subs, or insane stranegth or
striking power this kid has when it comes to mma.hed be lost in a
gi.but you take a gi off the best grappler his weight in the world,
and you allow striukes and my kid will sub him.and same with striking,
he will ko the best boxer that weight standing if kicks and takedowsn
and elbows etc are allowed.
time will tell but he'll be regarded as the best in the world P4P some
day.He has invented dozens of moves unique to mma, combinations of
strikes and grappling in such innovative ways it must be felt to be
grasped.remember me saying this.
im veiwed as a pioneer in my area as far as mma,im not.im a pioneer in
my area at mixing styles.but REAL MMA is not that, its one sport.and
the kids today are the real pioneers theyre the harbingers of crazy
things to come.if you go to a big gym, say xtreme couture, dont take a
private with silva or randy, take one with the 19 year old kid whos
focus has been mma since he was 12.he'll know the sport far better
than the old men like me.and even randy.

SPORTfighter wrote:
We went through the phase of MMA fighters tending to besat guys who
specialized for years, at whatever, BJJ wrestling, kicnboxing a long
while ago.
But IMO a new phase is starting
You guys see the recent WEC?
This kid who's 4-0 named Mackins who's never fought anyone was brought
in to lose to Wagney Fabiano.Wagney is top 5, considred by many the
best at 145And he's a world champion in BJJ.
He's beaten better world champion BJJers in MMA, because wagney is
gifted with toughness and punching power.So he does well standing.
Still he did the right thing vs mackens, a kid in his first WEC fight
will be wild agressive and ther was no film on him to be seen, so
wagney fought right, immediate takedown to Mackens guard.
And then something amazing happned.,
Mackens triangled the world champion in BJJ.
Now obviously Mackens has good skills, hes in the wec and trains at
linxxx academy so he's good at BJJ.
But his emphasis is MMA, and i sense always has been.
How does he get wagney?
well when u watch the tape, sure wagney doesnt respect that he has one
arm through as he should...afterall, he knows anyone can win, but
trinagle him? no way.
but wagney knows mma too, so he has mackens stacked into the
cage...the worst place to be in mma, using guard but you can slide
away from power shots and you can get your hips out well for subs,
wagney postures like a pro, gets a knee up and is gonna unload.
but mackens knows mma, and cleraly knows the cage, he kinds extends
upward tpo lock the sub, and the cage allows him to get his hips up
and with his head in he drives his hips up hard and gets the legs
crossed, wagney is cool, he starts repsceting the lock, but not
panicing, hes wagney afterall.and in a cage, one can get out of a
trinagle by getting the knee on the neck or face, or positiuoning so
the guys head is sidewards to the cage and so he cant get his head out
the right way to get it, yiou can kinda wedge out.
instead wagney oddly gets his ass up while his heads still down...dont
know what he was thinking, maybe that mackens sux, but mackens gets
his arm under the leg and pulls it in, so the angle gets perfect
wagney taps.
my point is that now you will start seeing more of bjj greats getting
subbed by mma fighters in mma, cause ther is just a little difference
in mma(i still didnt like that mackens didnt distract with elbows and
punches to help him when it was in , butyi digress) and you will see
kickboxers turnhed mma guys like cro cop geting wrecked standing like
he did last month by a kid whos straight mma.
cause mma is mma.and the day will soon come youl;l be thought crazy to
learn ground from a bjj guy, or wrestling from a wrestler or striking
form a boxer...if your goal is being an mma fighter.
thsi fight was big to me cause i train a kid who is in that division
who may face either or both the guys soon.hes the best fighter in the
world this kid i train.sounds insane, but im telling you know ufc
fighter ive trained with or bjjer, or kickboxer ive trained or
compoeted vj has anything like the subs, or insane stranegth or
striking power this kid has when it comes to mma.hed be lost in a
gi.but you take a gi off the best grappler his weight in the world,
and you allow striukes and my kid will sub him.and same with striking,
he will ko the best boxer that weight standing if kicks and takedowsn
and elbows etc are allowed.
time will tell but he'll be regarded as the best in the world P4P some
day.He has invented dozens of moves unique to mma, combinations of
strikes and grappling in such innovative ways it must be felt to be
grasped.remember me saying this.
im veiwed as a pioneer in my area as far as mma,im not.im a pioneer in
my area at mixing styles.but REAL MMA is not that, its one sport.and
the kids today are the real pioneers theyre the harbingers of crazy
things to come.if you go to a big gym, say xtreme couture, dont take a
private with silva or randy, take one with the 19 year old kid whos
focus has been mma since he was 12.he'll know the sport far better
than the old men like me.and even randy.

Mackens is 29. I think you have 'what you can do' confused with 'what
you know'. Mackens is a Pedro Sauer purple belt; who would you rather
take a class with?

GDS

"Let's roll!"

On Oct 17, 9:40 pm, Greendistantstar <Greendistants... at (no spam) iinet.net.au
wrote:



SPORTfighter wrote:
We went through the phase of MMA fighters tending to besat guys who
specialized for years, at whatever, BJJ wrestling, kicnboxing a long
while ago.
But IMO a new phase is starting
You guys see the recent WEC?
This kid who's 4-0 named Mackins who's never fought anyone was brought
in to lose to Wagney Fabiano.Wagney is top 5, considred by many the
best at 145And he's a world champion in BJJ.
He's beaten better world champion BJJers in MMA, because wagney is
gifted with toughness and punching power.So he does well standing.
Still he did the right thing vs mackens, a kid in his first WEC fight
will be wild agressive and ther was no film on him to be seen, so
wagney fought right, immediate takedown to Mackens guard.
And then something amazing happned.,
Mackens triangled the world champion in BJJ.
Now obviously Mackens has good skills, hes in the wec and trains at
linxxx academy so he's good at BJJ.
But his emphasis is MMA, and i sense always has been.
How does he get wagney?
well when u watch the tape, sure wagney doesnt respect that he has one
arm through as he should...afterall, he knows anyone can win, but
trinagle him? no way.
but wagney knows mma too, so he has mackens stacked into the
cage...the worst place to be in mma, using guard but you can slide
away from power shots and you can get your hips out well for subs,
wagney postures like a pro, gets a knee up and is gonna unload.
but mackens knows mma, and cleraly knows the cage, he kinds extends
upward tpo lock the sub, and the cage allows him to get his hips up
and with his head in he drives his hips up hard and gets the legs
crossed, wagney is cool, he starts repsceting the lock, but not
panicing, hes wagney afterall.and in a cage, one can get out of a
trinagle by getting the knee on the neck or face, or positiuoning so
the guys head is sidewards to the cage and so he cant get his head out
the right way to get it, yiou can kinda wedge out.
instead wagney oddly gets his ass up while his heads still down...dont
know what he was thinking, maybe that mackens sux, but mackens gets
his arm under the leg and pulls it in, so the angle gets perfect
wagney taps.
my point is that now you will start seeing more of bjj greats getting
subbed by mma fighters in mma, cause ther is just a little difference
in mma(i still didnt like that mackens didnt distract with elbows and
punches to help him when it was in , butyi digress) and you will see
kickboxers turnhed mma guys like cro cop geting wrecked standing like
he did last month by a kid whos straight mma.
cause mma is mma.and the day will soon come youl;l be thought crazy to
learn ground from a bjj guy, or wrestling from a wrestler or striking
form a boxer...if your goal is being an mma fighter.
thsi fight was big to me cause i train a kid who is in that division
who may face either or both the guys soon.hes the best fighter in the
world this kid i train.sounds insane, but im telling you know ufc
fighter ive trained with or bjjer, or kickboxer ive trained or
compoeted vj has anything like the subs, or insane stranegth or
striking power this kid has when it comes to mma.hed be lost in a
gi.but you take a gi off the best grappler his weight in the world,
and you allow striukes and my kid will sub him.and same with striking,
he will ko the best boxer that weight standing if kicks and takedowsn
and elbows etc are allowed.
time will tell but he'll be regarded as the best in the world P4P some
day.He has invented dozens of moves unique to mma, combinations of
strikes and grappling in such innovative ways it must be felt to be
grasped.remember me saying this.
im veiwed as a pioneer in my area as far as mma,im not.im a pioneer in
my area at mixing styles.but REAL MMA is not that, its one sport.and
the kids today are the real pioneers theyre the harbingers of crazy
things to come.if you go to a big gym, say xtreme couture, dont take a
private with silva or randy, take one with the 19 year old kid whos
focus has been mma since he was 12.he'll know the sport far better
than the old men like me.and even randy.

Mackens is 29. I think you have 'what you can do' confused with 'what
you know'. Mackens is a Pedro Sauer purple belt; who would you rather
take a class with?

GDS

"Let's roll!"

Pedro Sauer gives belts away.

Trav

What's the difference between a TKD school that gives belts away and
Pedro Sauer's school, then?

What's the difference between a TKD school that gives belts away and
Pedro Sauer's school, then?

That Sauer guys have some actual skill.  They just may be overranked.
Sauer ain't gonna give someone a black belt who does BJJ for a year

Trav

SPORTfighter wrote:
We went through the phase of MMA fighters tending to besat guys who
specialized for years, at whatever, BJJ wrestling, kicnboxing a long
while ago.
But IMO a new phase is starting
You guys see the recent WEC?
This kid who's 4-0 named Mackins who's never fought anyone was brought
in to lose to Wagney Fabiano.Wagney is top 5, considred by many the
best at 145And he's a world champion in BJJ.
He's beaten better world champion BJJers in MMA, because wagney is
gifted with toughness and punching power.So he does well standing.
Still he did the right thing vs mackens, a kid in his first WEC fight
will be wild agressive and ther was no film on him to be seen, so
wagney fought right, immediate takedown to Mackens guard.
And then something amazing happned.,
Mackens triangled the world champion in BJJ.
Now obviously Mackens has good skills, hes in the wec and trains at
linxxx academy so he's good at BJJ.
But his emphasis is MMA, and i sense always has been.
How does he get wagney?
well when u watch the tape, sure wagney doesnt respect that he has one
arm through as he should...afterall, he knows anyone can win, but
trinagle him? no way.
but wagney knows mma too, so he has mackens stacked into the
cage...the worst place to be in mma, using guard but you can slide
away from power shots and you can get your hips out well for subs,
wagney postures like a pro, gets a knee up and is gonna unload.
but mackens knows mma, and cleraly knows the cage, he kinds extends
upward tpo lock the sub, and the cage allows him to get his hips up
and with his head in he drives his hips up hard and gets the legs
crossed, wagney is cool, he starts repsceting the lock, but not
panicing, hes wagney afterall.and in a cage, one can get out of a
trinagle by getting the knee on the neck or face, or positiuoning so
the guys head is sidewards to the cage and so he cant get his head out
the right way to get it, yiou can kinda wedge out.
instead wagney oddly gets his ass up while his heads still down...dont
know what he was thinking, maybe that mackens sux, but mackens gets
his arm under the leg and pulls it in, so the angle gets perfect
wagney taps.
my point is that now you will start seeing more of bjj greats getting
subbed by mma fighters in mma, cause ther is just a little difference
in mma(i still didnt like that mackens didnt distract with elbows and
punches to help him when it was in , butyi digress) and you will see
kickboxers turnhed mma guys like cro cop geting wrecked standing like
he did last month by a kid whos straight mma.
cause mma is mma.and the day will soon come youl;l be thought crazy to
learn ground from a bjj guy, or wrestling from a wrestler or striking
form a boxer...if your goal is being an mma fighter.
thsi fight was big to me cause i train a kid who is in that division
who may face either or both the guys soon.hes the best fighter in the
world this kid i train.sounds insane, but im telling you know ufc
fighter ive trained with or bjjer, or kickboxer ive trained or
compoeted vj has anything like the subs, or insane stranegth or
striking power this kid has when it comes to mma.hed be lost in a
gi.but you take a gi off the best grappler his weight in the world,
and you allow striukes and my kid will sub him.and same with striking,
he will ko the best boxer that weight standing if kicks and takedowsn
and elbows etc are allowed.
time will tell but he'll be regarded as the best in the world P4P some
day.He has invented dozens of moves unique to mma, combinations of
strikes and grappling in such innovative ways it must be felt to be
grasped.remember me saying this.
im veiwed as a pioneer in my area as far as mma,im not.im a pioneer in
my area at mixing styles.but REAL MMA is not that, its one sport.and
the kids today are the real pioneers theyre the harbingers of crazy
things to come.if you go to a big gym, say xtreme couture, dont take a
private with silva or randy, take one with the 19 year old kid whos
focus has been mma since he was 12.he'll know the sport far better
than the old men like me.and even randy.

Mackens is 29. I think you have 'what you can do' confused with 'what
you know'. Mackens is a Pedro Sauer purple belt; who would you rather
take a class with?

GDS

"Let's roll!"

On Oct 19, 6:57 am, "travis... at (no spam) aol.cominyrface" <travis... at (no spam) aol.com
wrote:

What's the difference between a TKD school that gives belts away and
Pedro Sauer's school, then?

That Sauer guys have some actual skill.  They just may be overranked.
Sauer ain't gonna give someone a black belt who does BJJ for a year

Trav

I didn't ask you what the difference was between TKD and MMA. Further,
the generalization you are making is not logical. We don't know that
TKD people don't have any useful skills. Of course they do. And of
course there are bound to be some variables in what the applicability
is of what is taught.

However leaving aside the digression of style vs. style, what I meant
was how is Pedro Sauer any different because he gives away belts to
people who do not deserve them?

-

On Oct 17, 9:40 pm, Greendistantstar <Greendistants... at (no spam) iinet.net.au
wrote:
SPORTfighter wrote:
We went through the phase of MMA fighters tending to besat guys who
specialized for years, at whatever, BJJ wrestling, kicnboxing a long
while ago.
But IMO a new phase is starting
You guys see the recent WEC?
This kid who's 4-0 named Mackins who's never fought anyone was brought
in to lose to Wagney Fabiano.Wagney is top 5, considred by many the
best at 145And he's a world champion in BJJ.
He's beaten better world champion BJJers in MMA, because wagney is
gifted with toughness and punching power.So he does well standing.
Still he did the right thing vs mackens, a kid in his first WEC fight
will be wild agressive and ther was no film on him to be seen, so
wagney fought right, immediate takedown to Mackens guard.
And then something amazing happned.,
Mackens triangled the world champion in BJJ.
Now obviously Mackens has good skills, hes in the wec and trains at
linxxx academy so he's good at BJJ.
But his emphasis is MMA, and i sense always has been.
How does he get wagney?
well when u watch the tape, sure wagney doesnt respect that he has one
arm through as he should...afterall, he knows anyone can win, but
trinagle him? no way.
but wagney knows mma too, so he has mackens stacked into the
cage...the worst place to be in mma, using guard but you can slide
away from power shots and you can get your hips out well for subs,
wagney postures like a pro, gets a knee up and is gonna unload.
but mackens knows mma, and cleraly knows the cage, he kinds extends
upward tpo lock the sub, and the cage allows him to get his hips up
and with his head in he drives his hips up hard and gets the legs
crossed, wagney is cool, he starts repsceting the lock, but not
panicing, hes wagney afterall.and in a cage, one can get out of a
trinagle by getting the knee on the neck or face, or positiuoning so
the guys head is sidewards to the cage and so he cant get his head out
the right way to get it, yiou can kinda wedge out.
instead wagney oddly gets his ass up while his heads still down...dont
know what he was thinking, maybe that mackens sux, but mackens gets
his arm under the leg and pulls it in, so the angle gets perfect
wagney taps.
my point is that now you will start seeing more of bjj greats getting
subbed by mma fighters in mma, cause ther is just a little difference
in mma(i still didnt like that mackens didnt distract with elbows and
punches to help him when it was in , butyi digress) and you will see
kickboxers turnhed mma guys like cro cop geting wrecked standing like
he did last month by a kid whos straight mma.
cause mma is mma.and the day will soon come youl;l be thought crazy to
learn ground from a bjj guy, or wrestling from a wrestler or striking
form a boxer...if your goal is being an mma fighter.
thsi fight was big to me cause i train a kid who is in that division
who may face either or both the guys soon.hes the best fighter in the
world this kid i train.sounds insane, but im telling you know ufc
fighter ive trained with or bjjer, or kickboxer ive trained or
compoeted vj has anything like the subs, or insane stranegth or
striking power this kid has when it comes to mma.hed be lost in a
gi.but you take a gi off the best grappler his weight in the world,
and you allow striukes and my kid will sub him.and same with striking,
he will ko the best boxer that weight standing if kicks and takedowsn
and elbows etc are allowed.
time will tell but he'll be regarded as the best in the world P4P some
day.He has invented dozens of moves unique to mma, combinations of
strikes and grappling in such innovative ways it must be felt to be
grasped.remember me saying this.
im veiwed as a pioneer in my area as far as mma,im not.im a pioneer in
my area at mixing styles.but REAL MMA is not that, its one sport.and
the kids today are the real pioneers theyre the harbingers of crazy
things to come.if you go to a big gym, say xtreme couture, dont take a
private with silva or randy, take one with the 19 year old kid whos
focus has been mma since he was 12.he'll know the sport far better
than the old men like me.and even randy.
Mackens is 29. I think you have 'what you can do' confused with 'what
you know'. Mackens is a Pedro Sauer purple belt; who would you rather
take a class with?

GDS

"Let's roll!"

Rather take classes from Mackens.

And nope, Im not confused, though you may be.

What's the difference between a TKD school that gives belts away and
Pedro Sauer's school, then?

That Sauer guys have some actual skill.

They just may be overranked.

Sauer ain't gonna give someone a black belt who does BJJ for a year

travis... at (no spam) aol.cominyrface wrote:
What's the difference between a TKD school that gives belts away and
Pedro Sauer's school, then?

That Sauer guys have some actual skill.

Ollie is grasping at straws, furiously ferretting around to find
ANYTHING that might diminish BJJ or MMA, so insecure is he in his own
'martial' art.

We went through the phase of MMA fighters tending to besat guys who
specialized for years, at whatever, BJJ wrestling, kicnboxing a long
while ago.
But IMO a new phase is starting
You guys see the recent WEC?
This kid who's 4-0 named Mackins who's never fought anyone was brought
in to lose to Wagney Fabiano.Wagney is top 5, considred by many the
best at 145And he's a world champion in BJJ.
He's beaten better world champion BJJers in MMA, because wagney is
gifted with toughness and punching power.So he does well standing.
Still he did the right thing vs mackens, a kid in his first WEC fight
will be wild agressive and ther was no film on him to be seen, so
wagney fought right, immediate takedown to Mackens guard.
And then something amazing happned.,
Mackens triangled the world champion in BJJ.
Now obviously Mackens has good skills, hes in the wec and trains at
linxxx academy so he's good at BJJ.
But his emphasis is MMA, and i sense always has been.
How does he get wagney?
well when u watch the tape, sure wagney doesnt respect that he has one
arm through as he should...afterall, he knows anyone can win, but
trinagle him? no way.
but wagney knows mma too, so he has mackens stacked into the
cage...the worst place to be in mma, using guard but you can slide
away from power shots and you can get your hips out well for subs,
wagney postures like a pro, gets a knee up and is gonna unload.
but mackens knows mma, and cleraly knows the cage, he kinds extends
upward tpo lock the sub, and the cage allows him to get his hips up
and with his head in he drives his hips up hard and gets the legs
crossed, wagney is cool, he starts repsceting the lock, but not
panicing, hes wagney afterall.and in a cage, one can get out of a
trinagle by getting the knee on the neck or face, or positiuoning so
the guys head is sidewards to the cage and so he cant get his head out
the right way to get it, yiou can kinda wedge out.
instead wagney oddly gets his ass up while his heads still down...dont
know what he was thinking, maybe that mackens sux, but mackens gets
his arm under the leg and pulls it in, so the angle gets perfect
wagney taps.
my point is that now you will start seeing more of bjj greats getting
subbed by mma fighters in mma, cause ther is just a little difference
in mma(i still didnt like that mackens didnt distract with elbows and
punches to help him when it was in , butyi digress) and you will see
kickboxers turnhed mma guys like cro cop geting wrecked standing like
he did last month by a kid whos straight mma.
cause mma is mma.and the day will soon come youl;l be thought crazy to
learn ground from a bjj guy, or wrestling from a wrestler or striking
form a boxer...if your goal is being an mma fighter.
thsi fight was big to me cause i train a kid who is in that division
who may face either or both the guys soon.hes the best fighter in the
world this kid i train.sounds insane, but im telling you know ufc
fighter ive trained with or bjjer, or kickboxer ive trained or
compoeted vj has anything like the subs, or insane stranegth or
striking power this kid has when it comes to mma.hed be lost in a
gi.but you take a gi off the best grappler his weight in the world,
and you allow striukes and my kid will sub him.and same with striking,
he will ko the best boxer that weight standing if kicks and takedowsn
and elbows etc are allowed.
time will tell but he'll be regarded as the best in the world P4P some
day.He has invented dozens of moves unique to mma, combinations of
strikes and grappling in such innovative ways it must be felt to be
grasped.remember me saying this.
im veiwed as a pioneer in my area as far as mma,im not.im a pioneer in
my area at mixing styles.but REAL MMA is not that, its one sport.and
the kids today are the real pioneers theyre the harbingers of crazy
things to come.if you go to a big gym, say xtreme couture, dont take a
private with silva or randy, take one with the 19 year old kid whos
focus has been mma since he was 12.he'll know the sport far better
than the old men like me.and even randy.

SPORTfighter wrote:
On Oct 17, 9:40 pm, Greendistantstar <Greendistants... at (no spam) iinet.net.au
wrote:
SPORTfighter wrote:
We went through the phase of MMA fighters tending to besat guys who
specialized for years, at whatever, BJJ wrestling, kicnboxing a long
while ago.
But IMO a new phase is starting
You guys see the recent WEC?
This kid who's 4-0 named Mackins who's never fought anyone was brought
in to lose to Wagney Fabiano.Wagney is top 5, considred by many the
best at 145And he's a world champion in BJJ.
He's beaten better world champion BJJers in MMA, because wagney is
gifted with toughness and punching power.So he does well standing.
Still he did the right thing vs mackens, a kid in his first WEC fight
will be wild agressive and ther was no film on him to be seen, so
wagney fought right, immediate takedown to Mackens guard.
And then something amazing happned.,
Mackens triangled the world champion in BJJ.
Now obviously Mackens has good skills, hes in the wec and trains at
linxxx academy so he's good at BJJ.
But his emphasis is MMA, and i sense always has been.
How does he get wagney?
well when u watch the tape, sure wagney doesnt respect that he has one
arm through as he should...afterall, he knows anyone can win, but
trinagle him? no way.
but wagney knows mma too, so he has mackens stacked into the
cage...the worst place to be in mma, using guard but you can slide
away from power shots and you can get your hips out well for subs,
wagney postures like a pro, gets a knee up and is gonna unload.
but mackens knows mma, and cleraly knows the cage, he kinds extends
upward tpo lock the sub, and the cage allows him to get his hips up
and with his head in he drives his hips up hard and gets the legs
crossed, wagney is cool, he starts repsceting the lock, but not
panicing, hes wagney afterall.and in a cage, one can get out of a
trinagle by getting the knee on the neck or face, or positiuoning so
the guys head is sidewards to the cage and so he cant get his head out
the right way to get it, yiou can kinda wedge out.
instead wagney oddly gets his ass up while his heads still down...dont
know what he was thinking, maybe that mackens sux, but mackens gets
his arm under the leg and pulls it in, so the angle gets perfect
wagney taps.
my point is that now you will start seeing more of bjj greats getting
subbed by mma fighters in mma, cause ther is just a little difference
in mma(i still didnt like that mackens didnt distract with elbows and
punches to help him when it was in , butyi digress) and you will see
kickboxers turnhed mma guys like cro cop geting wrecked standing like
he did last month by a kid whos straight mma.
cause mma is mma.and the day will soon come youl;l be thought crazy to
learn ground from a bjj guy, or wrestling from a wrestler or striking
form a boxer...if your goal is being an mma fighter.
thsi fight was big to me cause i train a kid who is in that division
who may face either or both the guys soon.hes the best fighter in the
world this kid i train.sounds insane, but im telling you know ufc
fighter ive trained with or bjjer, or kickboxer ive trained or
compoeted vj has anything like the subs, or insane stranegth or
striking power this kid has when it comes to mma.hed be lost in a
gi.but you take a gi off the best grappler his weight in the world,
and you allow striukes and my kid will sub him.and same with striking,
he will ko the best boxer that weight standing if kicks and takedowsn
and elbows etc are allowed.
time will tell but he'll be regarded as the best in the world P4P some
day.He has invented dozens of moves unique to mma, combinations of
strikes and grappling in such innovative ways it must be felt to be
grasped.remember me saying this.
im veiwed as a pioneer in my area as far as mma,im not.im a pioneer in
my area at mixing styles.but REAL MMA is not that, its one sport.and
the kids today are the real pioneers theyre the harbingers of crazy
things to come.if you go to a big gym, say xtreme couture, dont take a
private with silva or randy, take one with the 19 year old kid whos
focus has been mma since he was 12.he'll know the sport far better
than the old men like me.and even randy.
Mackens is 29. I think you have 'what you can do' confused with 'what
you know'. Mackens is a Pedro Sauer purple belt; who would you rather
take a class with?

GDS

"Let's roll!"

Rather take classes from Mackens.

So Mackens learns from Sauer, but when it gets 'filtered' through
Mackens it comes out better in some way? How's that work?

And nope, Im not confused, though you may be.

Mackens I'm sure would disagree with you, too.

I thought Trav was the only 'majority of one' here?

GDS

"Let's roll!"

travis... at (no spam) aol.cominyrface wrote:
What's the difference between a TKD school that gives belts away and
Pedro Sauer's school, then?

That Sauer guys have some actual skill.

Ollie is grasping at straws, furiously ferretting around to find
ANYTHING that might diminish BJJ or MMA, so insecure is he in his own
'martial' art.

They just may be overranked.

Mackens is such a student? Bill thinks he's the bees knees, but that
could just be a romo thing...

Sauer ain't gonna give someone a black belt who does BJJ for a year

He certainly fought some great 'academy challenge' fights back in the
day, and in some ways they're riskier than a cage fight, so props to
Pedro for big balls.

I've no idea whether he promotes too early or not. Carlson Gracie Snr
I've heard some stuff that was, er, disturbing, not Pedro.

GDS

"Let's roll!"

On Oct 19, 6:57 am, "travis... at (no spam) aol.cominyrface" <travis... at (no spam) aol.com
wrote:

What's the difference between a TKD school that gives belts away and
Pedro Sauer's school, then?

That Sauer guys have some actual skill.  They just may be overranked.
Sauer ain't gonna give someone a black belt who does BJJ for a year

Trav

I didn't ask you what the difference was between TKD and MMA. Further,
the generalization you are making is not logical. We don't know that
TKD people don't have any useful skills. Of course they do. And of
course there are bound to be some variables in what the applicability
is of what is taught.

However leaving aside the digression of style vs. style, what I meant
was how is Pedro Sauer any different because he gives away belts to
people who do not deserve them?

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