SPORTfighter wrote:
On Oct 18, 9:13 pm, Greendistantstar <Greendistants... at (no spam) iinet.net.au
wrote:
SPORTfighter wrote:
On Oct 17, 9:40 pm, Greendistantstar <Greendistants... at (no spam) iinet.net.au
wrote:
SPORTfighter wrote:
We went through the phase of MMA fighters tending to besat guys who
specialized for years, at whatever, BJJ wrestling, kicnboxing a long
while ago.
But IMO a new phase is starting
You guys see the recent WEC?
This kid who's 4-0 named Mackins who's never fought anyone was brought
in to lose to Wagney Fabiano.Wagney is top 5, considred by many the
best at 145And he's a world champion in BJJ.
He's beaten better world champion BJJers in MMA, because wagney is
gifted with toughness and punching power.So he does well standing.
Still he did the right thing vs mackens, a kid in his first WEC fight
will be wild agressive and ther was no film on him to be seen, so
wagney fought right, immediate takedown to Mackens guard.
And then something amazing happned.,
Mackens triangled the world champion in BJJ.
Now obviously Mackens has good skills, hes in the wec and trains at
linxxx academy so he's good at BJJ.
But his emphasis is MMA, and i sense always has been.
How does he get wagney?
well when u watch the tape, sure wagney doesnt respect that he has one
arm through as he should...afterall, he knows anyone can win, but
trinagle him? no way.
but wagney knows mma too, so he has mackens stacked into the
cage...the worst place to be in mma, using guard but you can slide
away from power shots and you can get your hips out well for subs,
wagney postures like a pro, gets a knee up and is gonna unload.
but mackens knows mma, and cleraly knows the cage, he kinds extends
upward tpo lock the sub, and the cage allows him to get his hips up
and with his head in he drives his hips up hard and gets the legs
crossed, wagney is cool, he starts repsceting the lock, but not
panicing, hes wagney afterall.and in a cage, one can get out of a
trinagle by getting the knee on the neck or face, or positiuoning so
the guys head is sidewards to the cage and so he cant get his head out
the right way to get it, yiou can kinda wedge out.
instead wagney oddly gets his ass up while his heads still down...dont
know what he was thinking, maybe that mackens sux, but mackens gets
his arm under the leg and pulls it in, so the angle gets perfect
wagney taps.
my point is that now you will start seeing more of bjj greats getting
subbed by mma fighters in mma, cause ther is just a little difference
in mma(i still didnt like that mackens didnt distract with elbows and
punches to help him when it was in , butyi digress) and you will see
kickboxers turnhed mma guys like cro cop geting wrecked standing like
he did last month by a kid whos straight mma.
cause mma is mma.and the day will soon come youl;l be thought crazy to
learn ground from a bjj guy, or wrestling from a wrestler or striking
form a boxer...if your goal is being an mma fighter.
thsi fight was big to me cause i train a kid who is in that division
who may face either or both the guys soon.hes the best fighter in the
world this kid i train.sounds insane, but im telling you know ufc
fighter ive trained with or bjjer, or kickboxer ive trained or
compoeted vj has anything like the subs, or insane stranegth or
striking power this kid has when it comes to mma.hed be lost in a
gi.but you take a gi off the best grappler his weight in the world,
and you allow striukes and my kid will sub him.and same with striking,
he will ko the best boxer that weight standing if kicks and takedowsn
and elbows etc are allowed.
time will tell but he'll be regarded as the best in the world P4P some
day.He has invented dozens of moves unique to mma, combinations of
strikes and grappling in such innovative ways it must be felt to be
grasped.remember me saying this.
im veiwed as a pioneer in my area as far as mma,im not.im a pioneer in
my area at mixing styles.but REAL MMA is not that, its one sport.and
the kids today are the real pioneers theyre the harbingers of crazy
things to come.if you go to a big gym, say xtreme couture, dont take a
private with silva or randy, take one with the 19 year old kid whos
focus has been mma since he was 12.he'll know the sport far better
than the old men like me.and even randy.
Mackens is 29. I think you have 'what you can do' confused with 'what
you know'. Mackens is a Pedro Sauer purple belt; who would you rather
take a class with?
GDS
"Let's roll!"
Rather take classes from Mackens.
So Mackens learns from Sauer, but when it gets 'filtered' through
Mackens it comes out better in some way? How's that work?

Gee why do i learn new moves from watching the kids in my kids class
roll? Why is the guy who teaches me most the kid who's 20 and who
trained under no one but me since he was 13?
frankly, its a stupid question.

We don't disagree, and I'll answer the questions. *You* learn new moves
from the kids because kids are innovative, but also because *you* know
through experience what aspects of their crazy monkey-fu jitsu will work
  and how to implement them strategically.

i have no interest in bjj anyways, just mma, and mackens just beat a
world class mma fighter who would most likely wreck sauer who isnt
even a fighter really.
no hate on sauer , i hear great things.
and maybe hes a better teacher than mackens, some guys can teach, some
cant.maybe mackens cant.

That's what I'm saying.

but why would i assume a bjjer is better at teacher me mma than an
mmaer? der.

You wouldn't, and you'd be wrong to assume that a great BJJ guy may not
also be a great MMA fighter. Which one is a better teacher is an
individual thing, but usually experience matters.

And nope, Im not confused, though you may be.
Mackens I'm sure would disagree with you, too.

Yeah he maybe would.
and my students still say i can kick their ass even though often they
can kick mine .its called being nice.

Yes it's that, but the aspect that often makes the difference is the
mental part of the game, and that's where experience adds real value.

Our top BB has just won the Pan Pacs in his Div, 2nd in absolute, he's
only frikkin' 155lbs soaking wet, he's Marcelo Garcia like, freaky good.

He's also 14-0 in MMA and in his 20s.

SPORTfighter wrote:
On Oct 18, 9:19 pm, Greendistantstar <Greendistants... at (no spam) iinet.net.au
wrote:
travis... at (no spam) aol.cominyrface wrote:
What's the difference between a TKD school that gives belts away and
Pedro Sauer's school, then?
That Sauer guys have some actual skill.
Ollie is grasping at straws, furiously ferretting around to find
ANYTHING that might diminish BJJ or MMA, so insecure is he in his own
'martial' art.

They just may be overranked.
Mackens is such a student? Bill thinks he's the bees knees, but that
could just be a romo thing...

no.just saying new mma guys are besting bjjers at the ground pasrt of
mma and itll continue.
he was just a good example.
i dont know much anything about him, cpet saw him fight for one
minute.
why does it bug you?

It doesn't; all I'm saying is that a kid who pulls off such a win may
not be the guy who would be 1st choice as a coach. Can he impart what he
knows?

and needed to know what you needed to do to pull out a win? I'd probably
want someone like you, even if he could kick your ass.

look at the guys on the underground, most of whom are frustataed
bjjers too scared to fight and too pathetic to admit they arent
fighters and have no idea.

I don't bother with the UG any more.



they were hyping wagney to a silly level, saying hed kill faber brown
etec, if boted on the UG wagney would have been ranked firts in the
world.
hes great sure, but first? silly.
they wanted him to win to validate themselves and many were in
mourning after mackens showed how ignorant they are.
i get frusatraded too, i get frustrated when my guty is gonna face a
bjj black beklt from brazil and i get asked stupid questions like
"what if he gets taken down" and i say "my guy will do what he alswys
does if takedn down, he'll get up, sweep him or submit him" and they
think im being cute.
yet maybe 6 weeks ago one of my vets faced a bjj black from rio and i
put up with the dumb shit and my guy koed him and it was annoying as i
hoped hed tap him.
i know it seems a brag, maybe it is buyt thats niot the point.
point is that MMA is a misnomer, its no longer a combo or boxing
wrestling bjj etc.
MMA is one spart amd youyre crazy if you train boxing with a
boxer ,bjj with a bjjer etc.
the day is coming.,,,,in facts its half here where mma fighters are
their own people.
and having too deep specialization in one area like wagney or couture
or cro cop will be seen as making you EASIER to beat more than harder.

Well plenty of guys only want to do BJJ for the sport aspect, it doesn't
mean that they're pussies if they don't want to do MMA. But at least you
have that avenue through BJJ.

Sauer ain't gonna give someone a black belt who does BJJ for a year
He certainly fought some great 'academy challenge' fights back in the
day, and in some ways they're riskier than a cage fight, so props to
Pedro for big balls.

sure.and im sure hes good.and a good man to boot.

So I'm told...

but armlocking a bodybuilder who doesnt know what an armlock is is
hella easier than triangling wagney fabiano.

Sure, but back in the day, pioneers like Pedro were paving the way, and
fighting bodybuilders etc was one of the few ways to show their skills.

so to me mackens could probably show me more than sauer.

I'm not so sure; it would depend on what you wanted to know and whether
he was capable of explaining it.

On Oct 18, 9:13 pm, Greendistantstar <Greendistants... at (no spam) iinet.net.au
wrote:
SPORTfighter wrote:
On Oct 17, 9:40 pm, Greendistantstar <Greendistants... at (no spam) iinet.net.au
wrote:
SPORTfighter wrote:
We went through the phase of MMA fighters tending to besat guys who
specialized for years, at whatever, BJJ wrestling, kicnboxing a long
while ago.
But IMO a new phase is starting
You guys see the recent WEC?
This kid who's 4-0 named Mackins who's never fought anyone was brought
in to lose to Wagney Fabiano.Wagney is top 5, considred by many the
best at 145And he's a world champion in BJJ.
He's beaten better world champion BJJers in MMA, because wagney is
gifted with toughness and punching power.So he does well standing.
Still he did the right thing vs mackens, a kid in his first WEC fight
will be wild agressive and ther was no film on him to be seen, so
wagney fought right, immediate takedown to Mackens guard.
And then something amazing happned.,
Mackens triangled the world champion in BJJ.
Now obviously Mackens has good skills, hes in the wec and trains at
linxxx academy so he's good at BJJ.
But his emphasis is MMA, and i sense always has been.
How does he get wagney?
well when u watch the tape, sure wagney doesnt respect that he has one
arm through as he should...afterall, he knows anyone can win, but
trinagle him? no way.
but wagney knows mma too, so he has mackens stacked into the
cage...the worst place to be in mma, using guard but you can slide
away from power shots and you can get your hips out well for subs,
wagney postures like a pro, gets a knee up and is gonna unload.
but mackens knows mma, and cleraly knows the cage, he kinds extends
upward tpo lock the sub, and the cage allows him to get his hips up
and with his head in he drives his hips up hard and gets the legs
crossed, wagney is cool, he starts repsceting the lock, but not
panicing, hes wagney afterall.and in a cage, one can get out of a
trinagle by getting the knee on the neck or face, or positiuoning so
the guys head is sidewards to the cage and so he cant get his head out
the right way to get it, yiou can kinda wedge out.
instead wagney oddly gets his ass up while his heads still down...dont
know what he was thinking, maybe that mackens sux, but mackens gets
his arm under the leg and pulls it in, so the angle gets perfect
wagney taps.
my point is that now you will start seeing more of bjj greats getting
subbed by mma fighters in mma, cause ther is just a little difference
in mma(i still didnt like that mackens didnt distract with elbows and
punches to help him when it was in , butyi digress) and you will see
kickboxers turnhed mma guys like cro cop geting wrecked standing like
he did last month by a kid whos straight mma.
cause mma is mma.and the day will soon come youl;l be thought crazy to
learn ground from a bjj guy, or wrestling from a wrestler or striking
form a boxer...if your goal is being an mma fighter.
thsi fight was big to me cause i train a kid who is in that division
who may face either or both the guys soon.hes the best fighter in the
world this kid i train.sounds insane, but im telling you know ufc
fighter ive trained with or bjjer, or kickboxer ive trained or
compoeted vj has anything like the subs, or insane stranegth or
striking power this kid has when it comes to mma.hed be lost in a
gi.but you take a gi off the best grappler his weight in the world,
and you allow striukes and my kid will sub him.and same with striking,
he will ko the best boxer that weight standing if kicks and takedowsn
and elbows etc are allowed.
time will tell but he'll be regarded as the best in the world P4P some
day.He has invented dozens of moves unique to mma, combinations of
strikes and grappling in such innovative ways it must be felt to be
grasped.remember me saying this.
im veiwed as a pioneer in my area as far as mma,im not.im a pioneer in
my area at mixing styles.but REAL MMA is not that, its one sport.and
the kids today are the real pioneers theyre the harbingers of crazy
things to come.if you go to a big gym, say xtreme couture, dont take a
private with silva or randy, take one with the 19 year old kid whos
focus has been mma since he was 12.he'll know the sport far better
than the old men like me.and even randy.
Mackens is 29. I think you have 'what you can do' confused with 'what
you know'. Mackens is a Pedro Sauer purple belt; who would you rather
take a class with?
GDS
"Let's roll!"
Rather take classes from Mackens.
So Mackens learns from Sauer, but when it gets 'filtered' through
Mackens it comes out better in some way? How's that work?

Gee why do i learn new moves from watching the kids in my kids class
roll? Why is the guy who teaches me most the kid who's 20 and who
trained under no one but me since he was 13?
frankly, its a stupid question.

i have no interest in bjj anyways, just mma, and mackens just beat a
world class mma fighter who would most likely wreck sauer who isnt
even a fighter really.
no hate on sauer , i hear great things.
and maybe hes a better teacher than mackens, some guys can teach, some
cant.maybe mackens cant.

but why would i assume a bjjer is better at teacher me mma than an
mmaer? der.

And nope, Im not confused, though you may be.
Mackens I'm sure would disagree with you, too.

Yeah he maybe would.
and my students still say i can kick their ass even though often they
can kick mine .its called being nice.

On Oct 18, 9:19 pm, Greendistantstar <Greendistants... at (no spam) iinet.net.au
wrote:
travis... at (no spam) aol.cominyrface wrote:
What's the difference between a TKD school that gives belts away and
Pedro Sauer's school, then?
That Sauer guys have some actual skill.
Ollie is grasping at straws, furiously ferretting around to find
ANYTHING that might diminish BJJ or MMA, so insecure is he in his own
'martial' art.

They just may be overranked.
Mackens is such a student? Bill thinks he's the bees knees, but that
could just be a romo thing...

no.just saying new mma guys are besting bjjers at the ground pasrt of
mma and itll continue.
he was just a good example.
i dont know much anything about him, cpet saw him fight for one
minute.
why does it bug you?

look at the guys on the underground, most of whom are frustataed
bjjers too scared to fight and too pathetic to admit they arent
fighters and have no idea.

they were hyping wagney to a silly level, saying hed kill faber brown
etec, if boted on the UG wagney would have been ranked firts in the
world.
hes great sure, but first? silly.
they wanted him to win to validate themselves and many were in
mourning after mackens showed how ignorant they are.
i get frusatraded too, i get frustrated when my guty is gonna face a
bjj black beklt from brazil and i get asked stupid questions like
"what if he gets taken down" and i say "my guy will do what he alswys
does if takedn down, he'll get up, sweep him or submit him" and they
think im being cute.
yet maybe 6 weeks ago one of my vets faced a bjj black from rio and i
put up with the dumb shit and my guy koed him and it was annoying as i
hoped hed tap him.
i know it seems a brag, maybe it is buyt thats niot the point.
point is that MMA is a misnomer, its no longer a combo or boxing
wrestling bjj etc.
MMA is one spart amd youyre crazy if you train boxing with a
boxer ,bjj with a bjjer etc.
the day is coming.,,,,in facts its half here where mma fighters are
their own people.
and having too deep specialization in one area like wagney or couture
or cro cop will be seen as making you EASIER to beat more than harder.

Sauer ain't gonna give someone a black belt who does BJJ for a year
He certainly fought some great 'academy challenge' fights back in the
day, and in some ways they're riskier than a cage fight, so props to
Pedro for big balls.

sure.and im sure hes good.and a good man to boot.

but armlocking a bodybuilder who doesnt know what an armlock is is
hella easier than triangling wagney fabiano.

so to me mackens could probably show me more than sauer.

to you he couldnt, fine, we have seperate goals.

Well plenty of guys only want to do BJJ for the sport aspect,
it doesn't mean that they're pussies if they don't want to do MMA.

Sure, but back in the day, pioneers like Pedro were paving
the way, and fighting bodybuilders etc was one of the few
ways to show their skills.

and great for him, and i saw the bootleg of that tape WAY back
in the day, like mid 90s.and those bjjers who fought
challange matches got me into this shit and i owe them my
job, my life, id likely be dead right now had it not been for them.

On Oct 19, SPORTfighter <billamaho... at (no spam) yahoo.com> wrote:

Well plenty of guys only want to do BJJ for the sport aspect,
it doesn't  mean that they're pussies if they don't want to do MMA.

Sure, but back in the day, pioneers like Pedro were paving
the way, and fighting bodybuilders etc was one of the few
ways to show their skills.

and great for him, and i saw the bootleg of that tape WAY back
in the day, like mid 90s.and those bjjers who fought
challange matches got me into this shit and i owe them my
job, my life, id likely be dead right now had it not been for them.

Why?

Sam

SPORTfighter wrote:
On Oct 19, 8:49 pm, Greendistantstar <Greendistants... at (no spam) iinet.net.au
wrote:
SPORTfighter wrote:
On Oct 18, 9:19 pm, Greendistantstar <Greendistants... at (no spam) iinet.net.au
wrote:
travis... at (no spam) aol.cominyrface wrote:
What's the difference between a TKD school that gives belts away and
Pedro Sauer's school, then?
That Sauer guys have some actual skill.
Ollie is grasping at straws, furiously ferretting around to find
ANYTHING that might diminish BJJ or MMA, so insecure is he in his own
'martial' art.
They just may be overranked.
Mackens is such a student? Bill thinks he's the bees knees, but that
could just be a romo thing...
no.just saying new mma guys are besting bjjers at the ground pasrt of
mma and itll continue.
he was just a good example.
i dont know much anything about him, cpet saw him fight for one
minute.
why does it bug you?
It doesn't; all I'm saying is that a kid who pulls off such a win may
not be the guy who would be 1st choice as a coach. Can he impart what he
knows?

teaching nebs requires expericne.even if hes  as ucky teacher i would
learn from him by watching him as i have a foundation.
when i say i learn from my guys i dont stop class and say "show me"
very often, i just watch and learn

Would he be the guy you'd want in your corner if you were losing
and needed to know what you needed to do to pull out a win? I'd probably
want someone like you, even if he could kick your ass.

me too.im an mma trainer.Pedro mostly isnt.
and frankly i just dont think the straight bjjers or thaiboxerts who
become mma trainers are on an equal feild with guys always focused on
mma.they have a perspective.thats bad.

Agree.



look at the guys on the underground, most of whom are frustataed
bjjers too scared to fight and too pathetic to admit they arent
fighters and have no idea.
I don't bother with the UG any more.

they were hyping wagney to a silly level, saying hed kill faber brown
etec, if boted on the UG wagney would have been ranked firts in the
world.
hes great sure, but first? silly.
they wanted him to win to validate themselves and many were in
mourning after mackens showed how ignorant they are.
i get frusatraded too, i get frustrated when my guty is gonna face a
bjj black beklt from brazil and i get asked stupid questions like
"what if he gets taken down" and i say "my guy will do what he alswys
does if takedn down, he'll get up, sweep him or submit him" and they
think im being cute.
yet maybe 6 weeks ago one of my vets faced a bjj black from rio and i
put up with the dumb shit and my guy koed him and it was annoying as i
hoped hed tap him.
i know it seems a brag, maybe it is buyt thats niot the point.
point is that MMA is a misnomer, its no longer a combo or boxing
wrestling bjj etc.
MMA is one spart amd youyre crazy if you train boxing with a
boxer ,bjj with a bjjer etc.
the day is coming.,,,,in facts its half here where mma fighters are
their own people.
and having too deep specialization in one area like wagney or couture
or cro cop will be seen as making you EASIER to beat more than harder..
Well plenty of guys only want to do BJJ for the sport aspect, it doesn't
mean that they're pussies if they don't want to do MMA. But at least you
have that avenue through BJJ.

sure doesnt.,doenst mean your a pussy if you wanna play hockey or bowl
instead on mma.
but i dont wanna learn MMA from a guys whos training is in the area of
bowling.

What I meant was that Bjj was and still is an avenue to MMA, whereas TKD
etc isn't.

Sauer ain't gonna give someone a black belt who does BJJ for a year
He certainly fought some great 'academy challenge' fights back in the
day, and in some ways they're riskier than a cage fight, so props to
Pedro for big balls.
sure.and im sure hes good.and a good man to boot.
So I'm told...

but armlocking a bodybuilder who doesnt know what an armlock is is
hella easier than triangling wagney fabiano.
Sure, but back in the day, pioneers like Pedro were paving the way, and
fighting bodybuilders etc was one of the few ways to show their skills..
and great for him, and i saw the bootleg of that tape WAY back in the
day, like mid 90s.

Yeah, me too...

and thos ebjjers who fought challange matches got me

into this shit and i owe them my job, my life, id likely be dead right
now had it not been for them.

Props to you and them.

but i wouldnt want an old school bjjer who won challange matches
teaching my kids class.
ad these kids wanna learn mma, not bjj.
now to be sure, most MMA teachers are frauds,really kenpo guys who by
afflicion shirts and get dumb moms to pay a shitload to teach johnny
MMA to help with his ADD, and pedro would have alot more to offer them
than most mma teachers, cause most are frauds.

YMMV and obviously does.....

but not more to offer them than a real mma teacher...as far as mma
goes.
and i donmt know but id rather mackens teaching my kids, cause hes
more likely to know how to throw a proper punch.
sure pedro may know 7 oma plata defenses, and mackens only 5.but i
think knowing how to throw a proper straight right is morte uselful in
mma or a streetfight.

Pedro comes from the school that doesn't throw hands.

so to me mackens could probably show me more than sauer.
I'm not so sure; it would depend on what you wanted to know and whether
he was capable of explaining it.

no, he doesnt have to explain it.i learn by watching people, kickbox
do mma.

Not everyone learns that way.



some guy comes in my club every other day and he sez "i just got the
new tenth planet instrcutional and drille dit all night wanna see?" i
say "yeah, when we spar ill wtach and do it if you actually land it on
someone"
running joke in my club.
BJJ types are all about some other crazy move that if mir knew he
could have beat lesner.
wrestlers are all about "dont care to know why i got subbed...i jhust
gotta get in better shape and then when i never get tired no one will
touch me"
i have to kind of play straiught man to both types all day long, herar
them out, humor them then kinda make them go to the middle.
thats what MMA fighters are about.
i got big cred in my gym telling everyone over and over that damien
maia would lose badly to narquardt, saying he was just way too straong
and is a full mmaer, much more than quarry and mcdonald, and hed
murder the guy.
marquardt is one of these new breeds, i dont even know what hes best
at hes so well balanced.and he has tiop wrestler like conditioning and
explosion.now bjjer will touch that in mma, soon guys jumping combat
sports will be over.

Sure, but a guard pass is a guard pass, escapes are escapes. What's left
out has to be left out if you want to learn new stuff. I'll explain....

If I guy wants to learn to box and punch, during his first class, say on
throwing a left jab, it wouldn't make sense to double and single leg him
every time he tried to do it. He'd be like "WTF are you doing that for?
"How can I learn to box if you keep tackling me?" and he'd of course be
right.

It's been a long time since Bjj alone was going to win a MMA fight, but
its techniques remain indispensible, and learning them independently
from striking and kicking techniques is a valid approach.

You belie MMA is greater than the sum of its parts? I'm not saying
you're wrong, but where exactly is the deus ex machina?

GDS

"Let's roll!"

We went through the phase of MMA fighters tending to besat guys who
specialized for years, at whatever, BJJ wrestling, kicnboxing a long
while ago.
But IMO a new phase is starting
You guys see the recent WEC?
This kid who's 4-0 named Mackins who's never fought anyone was brought
in to lose to Wagney Fabiano.Wagney is top 5, considred by many the
best at 145And he's a world champion in BJJ.
He's beaten better world champion BJJers in MMA, because wagney is
gifted with toughness and punching power.So he does well standing.
Still he did the right thing vs mackens, a kid in his first WEC fight
will be wild agressive and ther was no film on him to be seen, so
wagney fought right, immediate takedown to Mackens guard.
And then something amazing happned.,
Mackens triangled the world champion in BJJ.
Now obviously Mackens has good skills, hes in the wec and trains at
linxxx academy so he's good at BJJ.
But his emphasis is MMA, and i sense always has been.
How does he get wagney?
well when u watch the tape, sure wagney doesnt respect that he has one
arm through as he should...afterall, he knows anyone can win, but
trinagle him? no way.
but wagney knows mma too, so he has mackens stacked into the
cage...the worst place to be in mma, using guard but you can slide
away from power shots and you can get your hips out well for subs,
wagney postures like a pro, gets a knee up and is gonna unload.
but mackens knows mma, and cleraly knows the cage, he kinds extends
upward tpo lock the sub, and the cage allows him to get his hips up
and with his head in he drives his hips up hard and gets the legs
crossed, wagney is cool, he starts repsceting the lock, but not
panicing, hes wagney afterall.and in a cage, one can get out of a
trinagle by getting the knee on the neck or face, or positiuoning so
the guys head is sidewards to the cage and so he cant get his head out
the right way to get it, yiou can kinda wedge out.
instead wagney oddly gets his ass up while his heads still down...dont
know what he was thinking, maybe that mackens sux, but mackens gets
his arm under the leg and pulls it in, so the angle gets perfect
wagney taps.
my point is that now you will start seeing more of bjj greats getting
subbed by mma fighters in mma, cause ther is just a little difference
in mma(i still didnt like that mackens didnt distract with elbows and
punches to help him when it was in , butyi digress) and you will see
kickboxers turnhed mma guys like cro cop geting wrecked standing like
he did last month by a kid whos straight mma.
cause mma is mma.and the day will soon come youl;l be thought crazy to
learn ground from a bjj guy, or wrestling from a wrestler or striking
form a boxer...if your goal is being an mma fighter.
thsi fight was big to me cause i train a kid who is in that division
who may face either or both the guys soon.hes the best fighter in the
world this kid i train.sounds insane, but im telling you know ufc
fighter ive trained with or bjjer, or kickboxer ive trained or
compoeted vj has anything like the subs, or insane stranegth or
striking power this kid has when it comes to mma.hed be lost in a
gi.but you take a gi off the best grappler his weight in the world,
and you allow striukes and my kid will sub him.and same with striking,
he will ko the best boxer that weight standing if kicks and takedowsn
and elbows etc are allowed.
time will tell but he'll be regarded as the best in the world P4P some
day.He has invented dozens of moves unique to mma, combinations of
strikes and grappling in such innovative ways it must be felt to be
grasped.remember me saying this.
im veiwed as a pioneer in my area as far as mma,im not.im a pioneer in
my area at mixing styles.but REAL MMA is not that, its one sport.and
the kids today are the real pioneers theyre the harbingers of crazy
things to come.if you go to a big gym, say xtreme couture, dont take a
private with silva or randy, take one with the 19 year old kid whos
focus has been mma since he was 12.he'll know the sport far better
than the old men like me.and even randy.

i get frusatraded too, i get frustrated when my guty is gonna
face a bjj black beklt from brazil and i get asked stupid questions
like "what if he gets taken down" and i say "my guy will do
what he alswys does if takedn down, he'll get up, sweep him
or submit him" and they think im being cute.
yet maybe 6 weeks ago one of my vets faced a bjj black from
rio and i put up with the dumb shit and my guy koed him and
it was annoying as i hoped hed tap him.

point is that MMA is a misnomer, its no longer a combo or boxing
wrestling bjj etc.
MMA is one spart amd youyre crazy if you train boxing with a
boxer , bjj with a bjjer etc.
the day is coming.,,,,in facts its half here where mma fighters are
their own people.

thsi fight was big to me cause i train a kid who is in that division
who may face either or both the guys soon. hes the best fighter
in the world this kid i train. sounds insane, but im telling you
know ufc fighter ive trained with or bjjer, or kickboxer ive trained
or compoeted has anything like the subs, or insane stranegth
or striking power this kid has when it comes to mma.
hed be lost in a gi but you take a gi off the best grappler his
weight in the world, and you allow striukes and my kid will
sub him. and same with striking,
he will ko the best boxer that weight standing if kicks and takedowsn
and elbows etc are allowed.
time will tell but he'll be regarded as the best in the world P4P some
day.

and great for him, and i saw the bootleg of that tape WAY back in the
day, like mid 90s.and thos ebjjers who fought challange matches got me
into this shit and i owe them my job, my life, id likely be dead right
now had it not been for them.

On Oct 19, SPORTfighter <billamaho... at (no spam) yahoo.com> wrote:

i get frusatraded too, i get frustrated when my guty is gonna
face a bjj black beklt from brazil and i get asked stupid questions
like "what if he gets taken down" and i say "my guy will do
what he alswys does if takedn down, he'll get up, sweep him
or submit him" and they think im being cute.
yet maybe 6 weeks ago one of my vets faced a bjj black from
rio and i put up with the dumb shit and my guy koed him and
it was annoying as i hoped hed tap him.
point is that MMA is a misnomer, its no longer a combo or boxing
wrestling bjj etc.
MMA is one spart amd youyre crazy if you train boxing with a
boxer , bjj with a bjjer etc.
the day is coming.,,,,in facts its half here where mma fighters are
their own people.

Suppose everyone wears a gi in the cage,
how would that go?

Sam

On Oct 17, SPORTfighter <billamaho... at (no spam) yahoo.com> wrote:> thsi fight was big to me cause i train a kid who is in that division
who may face either or both the guys soon. hes the best fighter
in the world this kid i train. sounds insane, but im telling you
know ufc fighter ive trained with or bjjer, or kickboxer ive trained
or compoeted has anything like the subs, or insane stranegth

 >or striking power this kid has when it comes to mma.> hed be lost in a gi but you take a gi off the best grappler his

 >weight in the world, and you allow striukes and my kid will

sub him. and same with striking,
he will ko the best boxer that weight standing if kicks and takedowsn
and elbows etc are allowed.
time will tell but he'll be regarded as the best in the world P4P some
day.

What if 16 year old Mike Tyson walked into
your dojang, wants to learn cage fighting.
How would you handle him, at a personal level,
and training?

Sam
guess id train him doing what i could to manipulate him onto the

and great for him, and i saw the bootleg of that tape WAY back in the
day, like mid 90s.and thos ebjjers who fought challange matches got me
into this shit and i owe them my job, my life, id likely be dead right
now had it not been for them.

CURSE YOU, CHALLENGE MATCH BJJERS!!!!!

Trav

If I guy wants to learn to box and punch, during his first class, say on
throwing a left jab, it wouldn't make sense to double and single leg him
every time he tried to do it. He'd be like "WTF are you doing that for?
"How can I learn to box if you keep tackling me?" and he'd of course be
right.

so hed l;earn to jab from a stance that wont work in mma?
we dont double leg newbs in beginner kickboxing classes, but we show
them the stance that will work in mma.
nonb of that one foot way out tapered klitschko crap that would never
work in mma.
your statements just reinforce what i say.its insane to show someone
who qwants to be an mma fighter a boxeing stance into a jab, its
useless.

It's been a long time since Bjj alone was going to win a MMA fight, but
its techniques remain indispensible, and learning them independently
from striking and kicking techniques is a valid approach.

nope.
couldnt be more wrong, just had a brazil;ian blackbelt join my school.
hes jacked up 195 and he frankly sucks in mma.
he went 2-0 then had his first real fight and i tiold him 100 times
"daniel, if you try your stupid shot it wont work, you will wind up on
your back stuck against the cage going for butterfly swepps and you
will get crusahed.
thats exactly what happened.he is like 1995...he can beat sole boxers
or wrestlers sure, but an average local mma fighter with 1-10th his
trainiong time mangled him.
1st round tko from in daniels guard.

couple days later he comes in whining about losing cause the weight
difference, im like "no, you lost cause you suck at mma...you can
humble yoiurself and learn it training here but youll be doing zero
bjj ever, no rolling for you without punches, you are comfy on your
back, you dont have any skills at breaking posture no gi, and you kick
like a karate guy and have no hanfds, you can do as we sya or go
elsewhere.
now hes training with brazilians who are shpowing him better taskedons
and how to get around his sucky standup. and hes convinced he'll make
the ufc.
he will go nowhere traiuning to stay away from his weakneses, rather
he must make them streangths, and hes frankly...a pussy.scare dtpo get
hit or thrown on his head.hope i can one day get one of my guys he
taped rolling while training with him everyday here vs him, theyll
kill him dead.
his bjj destroayed his chance of learning mma.
as far as the techniqie of bjj being indespensible.
i agree and disagree.
tyhe 20% of bjj which works in mma has been incopporated into mma, and
some of it modified a biut, some alot.

to me it is now mma techniques.
i mean thai boxers learned western boxing in the 1930s to develop the
sport of thai.sure it owes alot to boxinbg, but now one would not call
thais hand techniques boxing.
in fact few even know the moves come from boxing they are so
akltered.in 20 years youg guys training will have no idea the ground
of mma largely came from bjj.and the striking from thai and boxing, as
it will not look the same as the parent sports.