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gray asphalt...
Posted: Thu Oct 15, 2009 6:41 pm
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Ok, I'm not the most imformed person. I didn't know
that BP was British Petroleum so maybe this isn't news ...

The health insurance industry, along with major league
baseball, are the only two industries in the United States
with an anti-trust exemption.
 
Kommienezuspadt...
Posted: Thu Oct 15, 2009 7:05 pm
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"gray asphalt" <dontwrite at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote in message
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Quote:
Ok, I'm not the most imformed person. I didn't know
that BP was British Petroleum so maybe this isn't news ...

The health insurance industry, along with major league
baseball, are the only two industries in the United States
with an anti-trust exemption.




It has worked out well for the insurance industry -- for the consumer - not
so much.

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gray asphalt...
Posted: Thu Oct 15, 2009 10:22 pm
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"gray asphalt" <dontwrite at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote in message
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Ok, I'm not the most imformed person. I didn't know
that BP was British Petroleum so maybe this isn't news ...

The health insurance industry, along with major league
baseball, are the only two industries in the United States
with an anti-trust exemption.




It has worked out well for the insurance industry -- for the consumer -
not so much.

I'm wondering why it all of a sudden, is being mentioned

after a bill is through the finance committee. Some guy on
local talk said "that old thing" like it's no big deal.

I'm worried that health care is just like bank bailouts and
saving and loan scandal and billions of dollars missing in
military funds.

But on the other hand, I'm sure the money is being put in a
big fund to help vererans and the baby boomers retirement
and to save social security. Ha
 
gray asphalt...
Posted: Fri Oct 16, 2009 6:40 pm
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Ok, I'm not the most imformed person. I didn't know
that BP was British Petroleum so maybe this isn't news ...

The health insurance industry, along with major league
baseball, are the only two industries in the United States
with an anti-trust exemption.




It has worked out well for the insurance industry -- for the consumer -
not so much.

I'm wondering why it all of a sudden, is being mentioned
after a bill is through the finance committee. Some guy on
local talk said "that old thing" like it's no big deal.

I'm worried that health care is just like bank bailouts and
saving and loan scandal and billions of dollars missing in
military funds.

But on the other hand, I'm sure the money is being put in a
big fund to help vererans and the baby boomers retirement
and to save social security. Ha




I'm a capitalist -- have been for 37+ years --- but I heard the other
day that the insurance industry takes in over 200 billion dollars in
profits & overhead out of health care every year. Imagine that amount --
it is over twice what is being planned for giving coverage in the plans
floating around.

As for why now? I suspect it is partly fueled by anger over the insurance
industry using half truths with a purposely flawed study to try to keep a
strangle hold on their profits.

I keep waiting for the free market types to defend this protection -- but
so far I've only gotten insults from them -- must be they have not
received their orders.

Wow, that is disgusting! Now consider that the same thing is happening
with the bums that build hospitals, and the scum that manufacture beds,
and the schools that teach medicine.

We need the government to do everything for free.

What about the anti-trust exemption?
 
gray asphalt...
Posted: Fri Oct 16, 2009 6:41 pm
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"gray asphalt" <dontwr... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote in message
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Ok, I'm not the most imformed person. I didn't know
that BP was British Petroleum so maybe this isn't news ...

The health insurance industry, along with major league
baseball, are the only two industries in the United States
with an anti-trust exemption.

It has worked out well for the insurance industry -- for the consumer -
not so much.

I'm wondering why it all of a sudden, is being mentioned
after a bill is through the finance committee. Some guy on
local talk said "that old thing" like it's no big deal.

I'm worried that health care is just like bank bailouts and
saving and loan scandal and billions of dollars missing in
military funds.

But on the other hand, I'm sure the money is being put in a
big fund to help vererans and the baby boomers retirement
and to save social security. Ha

I'm a capitalist -- have been for 37+ years --- but I heard the other day
that the insurance industry takes in over 200 billion dollars in profits &
overhead out of health care every year. Imagine that amount -- it is over
twice what is being planned for giving coverage in the plans floating
around.

As for why now? I suspect it is partly fueled by anger over the insurance
industry using half truths with a purposely flawed study to try to keep a
strangle hold on their profits.

I keep waiting for the free market types to defend this protection -- but
so
far I've only gotten insults from them -- must be they have not received
their orders.

What % of total health care (actually delivered) do they cover for
that...and what % of total health care (actually delivered) does the
government cover...and what are the total costs of govt, including
*ALL* the bureaucracy and overhead involved, including fraud.

What about the anti-trust exemption. You believe in competition?
 
gray asphalt...
Posted: Fri Oct 16, 2009 6:42 pm
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In article <GiPBm.13234$_l1.3867 at (no spam) newsfe06.iad>, dontwrite at (no spam) gmail.com
says...

Ok, I'm not the most imformed person. I didn't know
that BP was British Petroleum so maybe this isn't news ...

The health insurance industry, along with major league
baseball, are the only two industries in the United States
with an anti-trust exemption.

Sen. Harry Reid says the health care proposal coming form the Senate
will cost $2,000,000,000,000. It's caught on video too. Does that scare
you?

Do you like the proposal from some in the House that says open up
Medicare to everyone. The system already existst. The contracts are
negotiated with the doctors and hospitals. No massive overhaul of the
medical system. Just start pulling people into this "public option" now.

What about the anti-trust exemption that the
health insurance industry has?
 
gray asphalt...
Posted: Fri Oct 16, 2009 6:43 pm
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On Fri, 16 Oct 2009 07:30:28 -0400, BAR <screw at (no spam) you.com> wrote:

Sen. Harry Reid says the health care proposal coming form the Senate
will cost $2,000,000,000,000. It's caught on video too. Does that scare
you?

Which is not saying that health care won't cost around that if the
bill isn't passed.

--
"In no part of the constitution is more wisdom to be found,
than in the clause which confides the question of war or peace
to the legislature, and not to the executive department."

- James Madison

What about the anti-trust exemption the
health insurance industry has?
 
gray asphalt...
Posted: Fri Oct 16, 2009 6:45 pm
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In article <MPG.2542235f2962eaa098969c at (no spam) news.giganews.com>,
BAR <screw at (no spam) you.com> wrote:

In article <GiPBm.13234$_l1.3867 at (no spam) newsfe06.iad>, dontwrite at (no spam) gmail.com
says...

Ok, I'm not the most imformed person. I didn't know
that BP was British Petroleum so maybe this isn't news ...

The health insurance industry, along with major league
baseball, are the only two industries in the United States
with an anti-trust exemption.

Sen. Harry Reid says the health care proposal coming form the Senate
will cost $2,000,000,000,000. It's caught on video too. Does that scare
you?

Is that per day? Per week? Per century?


Do you like the proposal from some in the House that says open up
Medicare to everyone. The system already existst. The contracts are
negotiated with the doctors and hospitals. No massive overhaul of the
medical system. Just start pulling people into this "public option" now.

--
Alan Baker
Vancouver, British Columbia
http://gallery.me.com/alangbaker/100008/DSCF0162/web.jpg

What about the anti-trust exemption the heatlh insurere
have? I guess if no one cares then I'm free to play the
piano because there really is nothing that can be done.
Mass hypnosis?
 
Jack Hollis...
Posted: Fri Oct 16, 2009 7:57 pm
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On Fri, 16 Oct 2009 17:40:04 -0700, "gray asphalt"
<dontwrite at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote:

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What about the anti-trust exemption?

Federal anti-trust legislation covers all businesses engaged in
interstate commerce. Because health insurance companies are, by law,
not allowed to engage in interstate business they are exempt from
federal antitrust laws. However, state regulators have laws against
anti-competitive practices.

Actually, if the insurance industry were allowed to sell insurance
anywhere in the US they would lose their exemption from federal
antitrust laws. This is something that the industry would welcome.

However, in states where regulations have driven most of the companies
away, you can have only 5 or 6 companies left selling health
insurance. When the number of companies gets low, it's easier for
them to collude with each other.

This can cause problems for the physicians as well. If you have two
companies controlling over two thirds of the business, it's almost
impossible for the doctors not to join these network. The doctors
have to take what these companies offer.
 
Howard Brazee...
Posted: Fri Oct 16, 2009 9:05 pm
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Some of the problems with our current socialized medicine can be
traced to government laws. Wage freezes in WWII led to employer
subsidized health care in the first place (before taxes). The
expenses of workman's compensation and health care can be very heavy
for small business. But that's where we are.

I want whatever happens to make it easier for small business to hire
people.

--
"In no part of the constitution is more wisdom to be found,
than in the clause which confides the question of war or peace
to the legislature, and not to the executive department."

- James Madison
 
Kommienezuspadt...
Posted: Sat Oct 17, 2009 3:23 pm
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On 17 Oct 2009 11:50:47 GMT, Carbon <nobrac at (no spam) nospam.tampabay.rr.com
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On Thu, 15 Oct 2009 17:41:07 -0700, gray asphalt wrote:

The health insurance industry, along with major league baseball, are
the only two industries in the United States with an anti-trust
exemption.

All you free market libertarians must think this is wrong, correct?

This is so silly, the insurance business does not have any special
exemption form anti trust laws. They're exempt because the law
mandates that the states regulate the insurance business.

The insurance business would love to get out from under 50 different
state regulatory agencies and become federally regulated. Of course,
this wont happen because it would put too many lawyers out of
business.

Why haven't they put their muscle to getting it out of the way?

Are you saying they have no power?
 
Jack Hollis...
Posted: Sat Oct 17, 2009 5:57 pm
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On Sat, 17 Oct 2009 17:17:02 -0400, "Kommienezuspadt"
<NoSpam at (no spam) NoThanks.net> wrote:

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I have yet to see one Repub say he supports repealing the law -- have you?

The insurence industry would love to become federally regulated
instead of having to deal with 50 different state regulatory agencies.
In addition, there are some federal laws regulating the health
insurance business with COBRA and HIPAA being the most well-known.

I'm in favor of people being able to buy insurance out of state which
would automatically bring health insurance under all federal laws
including anti-trust laws.

This is all complete bullshit because the purpose of the 1945 law was
to give states the power to regulate insurance, not to exempt the
industry from federal anti-trust legislation.
 
Jack Hollis...
Posted: Sat Oct 17, 2009 6:06 pm
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On Sat, 17 Oct 2009 17:23:41 -0400, "Kommienezuspadt"
<NoSpam at (no spam) NoThanks.net> wrote:

Quote:
The insurance business would love to get out from under 50 different
state regulatory agencies and become federally regulated. Of course,
this wont happen because it would put too many lawyers out of
business.

Why haven't they put their muscle to getting it out of the way?

Are you saying they have no power?

The forces against such a move are greater than the forces in favor of
it. If they closed down 50 state insurance regulatory boards it would
put a lot of public employees out of work. Many of them are union
members and there are a lot of lawyers there as well.

When's the last time you saw the government do anything that reduced
the size of the public workforce?
 
Kommienezuspadt...
Posted: Sat Oct 17, 2009 6:13 pm
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On Sat, 17 Oct 2009 17:17:02 -0400, "Kommienezuspadt"
NoSpam at (no spam) NoThanks.net> wrote:

I have yet to see one Repub say he supports repealing the law -- have you?

The insurence industry would love to become federally regulated
instead of having to deal with 50 different state regulatory agencies.
In addition, there are some federal laws regulating the health
insurance business with COBRA and HIPAA being the most well-known.

I'm in favor of people being able to buy insurance out of state which
would automatically bring health insurance under all federal laws
including anti-trust laws.

This is all complete bullshit because the purpose of the 1945 law was
to give states the power to regulate insurance, not to exempt the
industry from federal anti-trust legislation.

I will rephrase -- have you seen a single elected Repub say he/she supports
tossing this law out?

Please tell us all who & where you found it.
 
Kommienezuspadt...
Posted: Sat Oct 17, 2009 6:15 pm
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On Sat, 17 Oct 2009 17:23:41 -0400, "Kommienezuspadt"
NoSpam at (no spam) NoThanks.net> wrote:

The insurance business would love to get out from under 50 different
state regulatory agencies and become federally regulated. Of course,
this wont happen because it would put too many lawyers out of
business.

Why haven't they put their muscle to getting it out of the way?

Are you saying they have no power?

The forces against such a move are greater than the forces in favor of
it. If they closed down 50 state insurance regulatory boards it would
put a lot of public employees out of work. Many of them are union
members and there are a lot of lawyers there as well.


So - you are saying theunions are too tough.
Quote:

When's the last time you saw the government do anything that reduced
the size of the public workforce?

military reductions.
 
 
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