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| cindi... |
 Posted: Thu Oct 15, 2009 6:47 pm |
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Hi all. Buster found a really nice home, pending his PPE tomorrow. I
had to lower his price all the way to $1500 to get any interest...
That totally sucks but what can you do. I started with him at $5500
when he came out of training last um February or so. Then a few
months later went to $3800. Then in August or so went to $2800 and he
had his first look-see. They were too inexperienced for him. Then he
had another look-see, and she was WAY too bad of a rider, and he was
terribly confused, but he did really good holding it together. Then
nothing for a while until I lowered it to $1500 recently. A girl
called many times from a few hours away and finally got permission
from her parents to come see him; they said they were bringing their
trailer and were almost positive they would buy him. But then the
night before she called and left a message, crying and saying she
can't come. So sad. But then the other gal who wanted to see him
came and she's the one with the pending sale.
I'm feeling pretty good about letting go of some horses, given the
financial situation right now. I recently also sold Viking/Liebe (a
trade, then I sold the one I got on trade), Jewel (great home, they
love her, so happy), Oak (also a super home, young girl, her first
horse after 3 years of lessons and he's perfect for that and will
probably never use his cutting training, and I'm sure he doesn't care
one bit about that...), and now Buster. The last three I never
intended to need to sell, but the economy has really wrecked my
business. I have no need to have so many horses, for now at least.
I'll give a little summary of who's left:
1. Forrest: technically my hubby's horse, he's a slow and lazy OTTB,
great for nervous adults. Lately he always has something wrong with
him that vets can't identify and bodyworkers say is in his withers/
ribs. He'll get fixed and go great for a few days and then he's out
again. It's independent of whether he's ridden or not in between. It
sucks sucks sucks. He's happy to walk though, but just can't get it
together for anything else. Very discombobulated. Just started up in
the last 6 months or so. He will never be sold, and maybe after we
save up some money we can get some more diagnostics. Just started him
on Legend; we'll see if that helps. He's only 12. We saved him from
euthanasia with a prior owner after a longstanding lameness about 3
years ago, and he was sound this whole time from after we got him
until this started up, and it's not in his feet (prior lameness was in
the feet, a "navicular" type thing.) And he is a great horse with a
super personality, so I'm always going to be glad we have him, but I
sure wish we could figure out what's going on with him. When he's
moving well he's amazing.
2. Tarzan: also hubby's, he's finally back in work after a year or so
of back/withers/loin pain affecting his way of going under saddle -
not lame but throwing his head and charging around obviously in pain.
Chiro, massage, vet checks, Legend, hock injections, saddle fit with a
pro, tons of rest, none of that worked. What worked was 2 weeks of
Gastroguard. He was ON GRASS and not even in work for almost a year,
yet he still apparently had an ulcer. The change in him was totally
apparent after 4 days of treatment. Soon he'll be back in the lesson
program. Also will never be sold. Hubby is a real softie about the
animals. ;-)
3. Casper: awesome all around horse, pony rides up to gymkhana and
sorting and cutting. Lope is a bit fast for learning though - needs
help not to be pony gaited. He's only 13.3 after all, but don't tell
him that.  "MY" horse, of the bunch, he's my guy.
4. Wren: awesome lesson horse, very safe but not a total plug, coming
off a longterm short stride issue from before I bought her. Finally
moving out nicely and actually able to canter now. Had bodywork and
Legend - four injections, seems to have helped. I also really like
riding her. Her and Casper.
5. Rain: still sound, still lazy in the arena, she remains the total
backbone of my lesson program. Was also almost euthanized 4.5 years
ago for being a sinker...
6. Scout: pony gelding, rides and drives and does gymkhana super
fast. Good beginner lesson pony for arena and trail but not a good
beginner lesson pony for gymkhana due to all his previous experience
going super fast. Just got him an Easy Entry cart and bought his
harness from his last owners so I should be having some fun soon! :-)
7, 8 and 9: Kirk, Scarlett and Captain, the two year olds. Kirk is
already a dead broke horse if you can believe that, although of course
I won't use him for lessons until he's had more training next year.
He is DEAD broke, already having had 120 days before we bought him in
preparation for the Snaffle Bit Futurity his 3 year old year. Does
not spook, ever, does not speed up unless you really mean it, totally
sound, extremely gentle and sweet, respectfully curious and interested
in life, just an amazing find. Looks to be Rain's replacement/back
up, in time. Low low low man on the totem pole, so his beautiful roan
coat is pretty banged up, but that's OK since I like 'em to look like
they actually do something for a living. ;-)
Scarlett, my homebred AQHA filly, will also make a great lesson horse,
a bit more zippy than Kirk but just as gentle and sweet, although she
is currently for sale, so we'll see if she goes. Trainer said she'd
make an exellent reining futurity horse due to her talent, athleticism
and smarts (whereas Kirk, by a way more famous sire and with way
better breeding on his dam's side than Scarlett, is not going to be a
reining show horse. He's heavy and luggish in comparison and not
nearly as talented or catty. Nice to know my little breeding program
turned out such a nice girl.)
Captain will make a lesson horse too, I think, but he's not started
under saddle yet at all so I still have more data to collect on
him. A tiny little trainer gal had him while I was out of the
country and she taught him to come over and get lined up with a fence
so she can climb on him bareback, so she sat on him a few times and
rubbed him... He's a good boy. It will be nice to have a big solid
horse for my program who can actually MOVE, as opposed to Forrest, but
I suspect it'll be several more months with Captain beyond the two QH
youngsters before I feel ready to start him with advanced students.
Maybe when he's 5... depending.
The question, of course, is whether I can keep all these 2 year olds
until they are old enough to be lesson horses... Allison likes Kirk
and I love geldings and am happy to have found such a sweet and gentle
bay roan cutie... My mom and I co-own Captain together and she wants
him to stay. And Scarlett is for sale, like I said, although I'd love
to keep her and see how she does barefoot forever. Kirk was already
shod for a few months and his feet are pretty crappy but getting
better. And Captain has amazing feet that make trimmers go nutty with
joy but he's half Friesian, so he should have good feet (although I do
hear that's not always the case)... Scarlett is pure QH with amazing
feet, and I am proud to own her.
Last but not least, number 10, Q, my daughter's horse. Totally a
waste of hay since she doesn't ride much anymore (doctor's orders,
back pain), but he is a great horse and her best best friend and I
love him.
If you want to see pics to go with any of this, they are all easily
seen here:
http://allisonacres.org/ourhorses.html
Not that all of you haven't been bored to tears with horsey updates
and photos from me over the years... Just in case there are any
newbies out there. ;-)
take care all!
cindi |
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| Judie... |
| Posted: Fri Oct 16, 2009 1:51 pm |
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On Oct 16, 3:28 pm, cindi <allisonac... at (no spam) yahoo.com> wrote:
Quote: On Oct 16, 4:47 am, "Jane Saranac" <jsalaci... at (no spam) yahoo.com> wrote:
Not bored to tears... but, i will admit that I don't allow myself to get
attached to any
of your new horses, because invariably they will not be around for long : ).
LOL. However, Jewel had been here since fall of 2001... so you can't
count her. In fact she was the horse we've had the longest, when she
sold this summer. Wah wah wah. Even Oak and Buster were here for
over a year. For a true resale horse, that's a long period of
time...
So, the PPE is done, Buster was a fabulous star, and I'm delivering
him tomorrow. I am just not busy enough to justify keeping him. It
is hard but necessary for me to try to be financially smart... And if
I do wind up needing another broke gelding for lessons, I can get a
suitable one for free or next to free any day of the week. (That's my
little nod to my hope that business will one day pick back up...
There was a time that I needed 4 beginner horses and 2 intermediate
horses each day. There was a time I was so busy I was turning people
away!)
On the bright side his new 17 year old owner is absolutely overjoyed,
and she earned and saved the money herself to buy him, and he likes
her and she did a good job with him, and her parents are happy with
the match.
take care everybody!
cindi
Well I am really glad that Buster found a good match. This is your
business so nobody's business how long you keep a horse. It's not like
you sell them to other horse businesses it seems you try to sell them
to "good homes."
I have had Axl now for 2 years and I love him more and more.
Judie |
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| Jane Saranac... |
| Posted: Fri Oct 16, 2009 7:56 pm |
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"cindi" <allisonacres at (no spam) yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:7387b180-0d9b-4a66-8022-fac57b2a79da at (no spam) o9g2000prg.googlegroups.com...
On Oct 16, 4:47 am, "Jane Saranac" <jsalaci... at (no spam) yahoo.com> wrote:
Quote: Not bored to tears... but, i will admit that I don't allow myself to get
attached to any
of your new horses, because invariably they will not be around for long
: ).
LOL. However, Jewel had been here since fall of 2001... so you can't
count her. In fact she was the horse we've had the longest, when she
sold this summer. Wah wah wah. Even Oak and Buster were here for
over a year. For a true resale horse, that's a long period of
time...
-- This is very true : ). I just don't know how you can part with them.
As my Dad used to say, "you're a better man than I, Gunga Din."
So, the PPE is done, Buster was a fabulous star, and I'm delivering
him tomorrow. I am just not busy enough to justify keeping him. It
is hard but necessary for me to try to be financially smart... And if
I do wind up needing another broke gelding for lessons, I can get a
suitable one for free or next to free any day of the week. (That's my
little nod to my hope that business will one day pick back up...
There was a time that I needed 4 beginner horses and 2 intermediate
horses each day. There was a time I was so busy I was turning people
away!)
-- Well I wish you a return to that prosperity.
On the bright side his new 17 year old owner is absolutely overjoyed,
and she earned and saved the money herself to buy him, and he likes
her and she did a good job with him, and her parents are happy with
the match.
-- I'm very glad he found a wonderful home. |
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| Nancy DeMarco... |
| Posted: Sat Oct 17, 2009 1:17 pm |
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"Jane Saranac" <jsalaci... at (no spam) yahoo.com> wrote:
Quote: http://www.flickr.com/photos/jsaranac/
He would be the dark, grass-fat gentleman at the top of the page : ).
Handsome boy! I hope he keeps that smile on your face. :)
Nancy |
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| betsey... |
| Posted: Sat Oct 17, 2009 2:44 pm |
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On Oct 17, 1:35 pm, "Jane Saranac" <jsalaci... at (no spam) yahoo.com> wrote:
Quote: "cindi" <allisonac... at (no spam) yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:2c32a641-c1b1-434e-88fe-bcec1b1923ac at (no spam) x6g2000prc.googlegroups.com...
Found it! It's impossible to tell anything of substance from the
pictures but she gives me a really good vibe:
http://stockton.craigslist.org/grd/1418527915.html
Aww... the link says the ad has been deleted.
Can't wait to see pics of your new guy!
http://www.flickr.com/photos/jsaranac/
He would be the dark, grass-fat gentleman at the top of the page : ).
congrats and best of luck! he's very very pretty. he just needs a
dye job to be yellow! |
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| LandShark... |
| Posted: Sat Oct 17, 2009 4:25 pm |
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On Oct 17, 6:02 pm, "Tara" <irn... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote:
Quote: "betsey" <twoxo... at (no spam) aol.com> wrote in message
news:7790d4f1-d545-41d2-af72-fa6efc1ba704 at (no spam) k4g2000yqb.googlegroups.com...
congrats and best of luck! he's very very pretty. he just needs a
dye job to be yellow!
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Excuse my ignorance but WTH is a yellow horse?
Tara
Palomino.
Ruth W. |
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| Jane Saranac... |
| Posted: Sat Oct 17, 2009 5:19 pm |
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"Nancy DeMarco" <nancyd.lmt at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote in message
news:99a53601-aa4b-48b5-8ed4-407458162b42 at (no spam) j24g2000yqa.googlegroups.com...
Quote: "Jane Saranac" <jsalaci... at (no spam) yahoo.com> wrote:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/jsaranac/
He would be the dark, grass-fat gentleman at the top of the page : ).
Handsome boy! I hope he keeps that smile on your face. :)
Nancy
Thanks Nancy : ). He'll certainly be a lot easier to keep clean than Pal
: ). |
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| Jane Saranac... |
| Posted: Sat Oct 17, 2009 6:55 pm |
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"betsey" <twoxover at (no spam) aol.com> wrote in message news:7790d4f1-d545-41d2-af72-
congrats and best of luck! he's very very pretty. he just needs a
dye job to be yellow!l
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Thanks Bets. You don't know how much I love yellow horses... I just don't
love keeping them clean. I almost bought a Belgian/TB who would have been
pretty close to yellow though.
I'm hoping this guy is an Honorary Yellow... one day I hope that you and
Katie and Ari and me can take our horses and do a nice trail ride or hunter
pace. Maybe in the spring, if we venture to Lord Sterling again, you guys
could come? Are you anywhere near Somerset County? |
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| Tara... |
| Posted: Sat Oct 17, 2009 7:02 pm |
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"betsey" <twoxover at (no spam) aol.com> wrote in message
news:7790d4f1-d545-41d2-af72-fa6efc1ba704 at (no spam) k4g2000yqb.googlegroups.com...
congrats and best of luck! he's very very pretty. he just needs a
dye job to be yellow!
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Excuse my ignorance but WTH is a yellow horse?
Tara |
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| Jane Saranac... |
| Posted: Sun Oct 18, 2009 7:00 pm |
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"betsey" <twoxover at (no spam) aol.com> wrote in message news:d07c5631-1472-4303-978b-
we are a couple hours south of somerset county...but definately
doable!! here's a question...can katie hunter pace in western gear
<g>
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Heck you can pace bareback if you want!!! Sure it would not be a problem.
It is a couple of hours drive for us too so we could make it an adventure!
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your new guy sounds wonderful...looking for a full report soon!!
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Thanks. News will follow around the end of the month! |
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| Judie... |
| Posted: Mon Oct 19, 2009 1:41 pm |
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On Oct 19, 11:00 am, "Jane Saranac" <jsalaci... at (no spam) yahoo.com> wrote:
Quote: "Judie" <judie.m.stan... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote in message
news:8dd026c0-f535-4ad1-a56b-e2fe25620307 at (no spam) y32g2000prd.googlegroups.com...
Can't wait to see pics of your new guy!
http://www.flickr.com/photos/jsaranac/
He would be the dark, grass-fat gentleman at the top of the page : ).
Wow, you are getting good at this! I like him a lot.
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Thanks Judie! He can jump too, now if I can only learn....
LOL - I can relate. Sometimes I wonder if I will ever learn. I have
felt it be right and I know what I went through to get there and it
was hard - i.e. lots of posting without stirrups. Otherwise I just
lose my leg! I think it has to do with my age. I am 47 and it gets
harder to keep the strength in my legs even though I do run and other
exercises 5 days a week - nothing gets the leg in order like posting
without stirrups.
Axl gets bored easy and so I don't ride him for long periods of time.
Plus I have been riding Pixie and she is so easy to ride - I don't
need any leg at all. She is not ready for jumping though and I am not
sure if she ever will be. She has one hoof bigger than the other in
her fronts and the big foot is a "Platter" foot with a long toe and a
heel very low to the ground. The shoer has a slit of pad to lift up
her heel and keep her toe from growing and it also keeps her bulbs
about even. Without the pad the platter foot's bulb is much lower than
the other one.
I had a really good ride on her yesterday.I played "cowboy" and put on
the Abetta trail saddle and rode with a loose rein and did neck
reining. Pixie did very well. Pixie also gets bored but by nature she
is a good worker. She doesn't like it when I don't have any poles set
up. She gets uncooperative and cranky. LOL. I always think she might
have pain. But then the next day I set up poles and she is awesome.
She likes to figure things out and I am probably not giving her enough
direction to do interesting stuff without having some poles set up. I
don't know.
I also had a good ride on Axl and we jumped 3' but I feel like I have
to make myself "shrink" to fit him - especially after riding Pixie. I
can have my english saddle stirrups set to the same length riding him
and riding Pixie (shortish for jumping) and I will feel like I am
posting way high off of Axl whereas I am posting much lower off of
Pixie. I actually have no trouble riding Pixie without posting in the
western saddle. She is extremely smooth and she is not doing a slow
jog either - I am not sure how to ask for that..
I can't get over how much fun it was to ride her western. I think she
was happy that I was finally riding her "correctly." Next step is to
get DH and her over for some western lessons. I think she is ready.
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| betsey... |
| Posted: Mon Oct 19, 2009 2:48 pm |
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On Oct 18, 9:00 pm, "Jane Saranac" <jsalaci... at (no spam) yahoo.com> wrote:
Quote: "betsey" <twoxo... at (no spam) aol.com> wrote in message news:d07c5631-1472-4303-978b-
we are a couple hours south of somerset county...but definately
doable!! here's a question...can katie hunter pace in western gear
g
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Heck you can pace bareback if you want!!! Sure it would not be a problem.
It is a couple of hours drive for us too so we could make it an adventure!
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your new guy sounds wonderful...looking for a full report soon!!
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Thanks. News will follow around the end of the month!
that sounds like a plan! katie will love every minute of it! the kids
will think they are SO COOL <g>
as far as lq in prep for divorce...you WANT indoor plumbing. trust me
on this <g>
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| Jane Saranac... |
| Posted: Mon Oct 19, 2009 6:18 pm |
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"Ocean of Nuance" <lizRMOVzardwoman at (no spam) nc.rr.com> wrote in message
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Quote: Jane Saranac wrote:
(snip)
One nice thing about Pal that I have noticed is that because he is hard
to ride (and that is something
coming from not just me but my trainer and every other person that has
been on his back),
Why is he hard to ride? What do you mean? Isn't he just green?
sharon
It's more than green. Been explained here, many times. Physical issues,
conformation issues. Big barrel that few can wrap their legs around and
keep on comfortably (the only horse at the barn I've ridden with a
comparable size barrel is a flat-backed gypsy vanner who spreads you wide
apart but his barrel is straighter vertically so you can still get your legs
on/
around better. Pal's ribcage is naturally shaped like this "( )"-- great
space for lungs!).
Long neck and back that short arms don't accomodate well
(he is a 78-80 blanket because of his length and barrel even though he is
just 16HH and he has a longer neck than my trainer's 17'2 HH Hanoverian
dressage horse). Undermuscled hind end mismatched to big powerful front end
with legs set wide apart leaves him on the forehand naturally and default
trot is somewhat paddling and toed out. You have to work to keep him
between your legs
and straight. You have to work to keep him going. I would not be at all
surprised to learn that some of it is soreness issues so if he can stop
work, dammit, he is going to stop. Who wouldn't?
Training greenness and change of discipline greenness (and rider greenness
with me) are certainly part of it and with the work we've done he is
admittedly 10 times as put together now as he was four years ago. He has
really come along physically. But, for the bigness of his butt, it is still
not a well-muscled hind end. And when the massage people come I have been
told by two different ones not consulting with one another that he is
continuously out at the poll, has sticky stifles, has neck soreness and
sometimes pronounced right shoulder soreness. That is by two massage
therapists and it is consistent whether he's ridden or sitting. I am
always surprised they don't find back soreness, but they never do -- as long
as his back is, it's apparently very strong, and my saddle is a good fit,
but still I stay off his back whenever i canter because he tends to be
strung out.
He throws himself around bucking and farting in turnout having a blast these
days so now he probably does it even more. But he's fast as hell and very
catty for his size -- he was a roping horse-- and he is the most athletic
and flexible
horse I've ever seen for his size (he can evade almost anything you want by
flexing if you don't catch it, he can sidepass or turn on the forehand and
haunches all day long, and his default on the rare occasion that he goes
right brain is to try to spin the rider off his back in circles that you'd
never imagine such a long horse could do <g>). I think he will make an
awesome lower level dressage horse, for sure.
In case it isn't obvious, I love him to death. I think he is incredibly
smart, and there is almost nothing that he's incapable of learning -- he
certainly is not afraid of anything and he is an uber confident alpha
horse -- and he's really a sweetheart when he is being willing -- but riding
an easier horse like the one I am getting -- who has a ton of self carriage
because he is built naturally uphill, and who is very willing and docile --
will make me a better rider on Pal, I am sure of it. But... I guess we'll
just have to wait and see if I'm right.
I confess that I will also be glad to have another horse who is known to be
good in
a herd. We finally thought we were able to turn Pal out with a buddy, in
the new
place -- he has seemed so sociable and different here, being happy on the
grass.
My friend whose 16'3 TB has been a stall neighbor of his for 4 years
suggested
to my trainer to try Pal out with her horse because they had been "friends"
for a long
time in their stalls and she thought it could work. Needless to say all was
peaceful for 3 weeks,
then Pal snapped and attacked her horse pretty badly-- thank H not bad
enough
for stitches or permanent injury but it looked bad : (. So he's all by
his lonesome again,
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| Ocean of Nuance... |
| Posted: Mon Oct 19, 2009 6:36 pm |
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Jane Saranac wrote:
Quote: "Ocean of Nuance" <lizRMOVzardwoman at (no spam) nc.rr.com> wrote in message
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Jane Saranac wrote:
(snip)
One nice thing about Pal that I have noticed is that because he is hard
to ride (and that is something
coming from not just me but my trainer and every other person that has
been on his back),
Why is he hard to ride? What do you mean? Isn't he just green?
(snip Pal's extended resume)
That is quite the low down you wrote there. :)
If there are physical issues then you have to wonder if he can ever get
to a point where he will be correctly muscled and correctly using
himself so that the physical issues stay at bay or disappear. It's a
cycle with some horses.
That right there is one of my definitions for "complex." Pro trainer
territory in my opinion, at least for a while and intensely I might add.
I doubt many ammies can deal with that unless they are upper level
or better. I think after 4-5 months you will know one way or the other.
Have you picked a name for the new horse? If he is 1/2 Perch then you
can think about FEI. :)
Good luck.
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| Jane Saranac... |
| Posted: Mon Oct 19, 2009 7:24 pm |
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"Ocean of Nuance" <lizRMOVzardwoman at (no spam) nc.rr.com> wrote in message
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Quote: Jane Saranac wrote:
"Ocean of Nuance" <lizRMOVzardwoman at (no spam) nc.rr.com> wrote in message
news:7k3mvqF38f9g2U1 at (no spam) mid.individual.net...
Jane Saranac wrote:
(snip)
One nice thing about Pal that I have noticed is that because he is hard
to ride (and that is something
coming from not just me but my trainer and every other person that has
been on his back),
Why is he hard to ride? What do you mean? Isn't he just green?
(snip Pal's extended resume)
That is quite the low down you wrote there. 
Yeah... he gets me quite effusive : ).
Quote:
If there are physical issues then you have to wonder if he can ever get to
a point where he will be correctly muscled and correctly using himself so
that the physical issues stay at bay or disappear. It's a cycle with some
horses.
I suspect that is very true with him.
Quote:
That right there is one of my definitions for "complex." Pro trainer
territory in my opinion, at least for a while and intensely I might add. I
doubt many ammies can deal with that unless they are upper level or
better. I think after 4-5 months you will know one way or the other.
Possibly. The first couple of years I had him i paid for "training" for
months at a clip with my old barn owner -- only
as a new horse owner I was clueless and didn't know/understand that she
barely got
on him, all she really did was lunge him in small circles which did squat
for him
and probably hurt. Joyce has done trainings with him a month here or there
since i have been working with her (July 0 that have really helped, but in
the past year I've spent most of my training budget on the babies to help
get them through the terrible twos and learn
to be mannerly.
Quote:
Have you picked a name for the new horse? If he is 1/2 Perch then you can
think about FEI.
LOL.
Still thinking on names.
I bet the Clyde in Pete gives him great suspension. I really liked the
Clyde
cross I looked at first but alas, he was long backed and I dedided that i
didn't
need history repeating itself : ).
Thank you Sharon. |
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