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| Nancy DeMarco... |
Posted: Sat Oct 10, 2009 5:17 am |
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I didn't take notes, so I only have impressions to share.
I spent the week getting up in the wee hours to muck and feed, then
driving 4 - 5 hours a day in order to sit in a cold, clammy indoor
huddled under blankets with water dripping on my head, shivering,
chilled to the bone, drinking coffee and eating crusty donuts,
catching a nasty cold/flu thing that's going to cost me two weeks of
pay in addition to the week I canceled in order to go to the clinic.
And it was worth it, and I'd do it again.
I am pretty much jaded. Most demos and clinics have me inwardly
rolling my eyes, biting my tongue, muttering under my breath and
walking away shaking my head at the near-universal lack of basic
competence in the horse world. I think this may be the first time I
didn't disagree with a single thing that came out of the clinician's
mouth, or a single thing he did with the horse or rider. Even the
biomechanics were spot on.
Many clinicians can take a horse/rider combination, separate them, hop
on the horse and work through a problem, then show the rider how to
follow his footprints. But Mark took some very average riders aboard
typical backyard, unschooled things, and transformed them as one.
One combination in particular was a fairly ham-fisted, rigid rider who
knew everything and suffered from verbal diarrhea, aboard a very
worried, braced from nose to tail, totally inverted, hind end swinging
to and fro, butt ugly horse whose best use was probably compost. Day
one, they started to soften at a walk. Day two, they were soft and
round at two gaits and starting to soften at the canter. And the
rider was beginning to let go of blaming the horse, and the horse
became beautiful.
There were some lovely horses and riders too. And they went from
riding skillfully to riding without conscious aids - finding the feel
of the thing they wanted and putting that feel into their bodies so
that their thoughts became the horses' actions.
He spent a lot of time developing feel, so that the rider could
experience a higher level of softness and connection, to the point
where one person spent most of her session on the ground, holding one
end of the reins while he held the other. That teaching method is
nothing new, but the quality of the feel he was putting across is a
very different sort of connection. He wants you to create a profound
connection through your soft body and your soft hands and relaxed
mind, to the horse's soft jaw and poll and body, so that when you
gently sway, he sways too, and your thought becomes his action. You
connect, and you become one.
So, some of the basic things that lingered in my mind...
The past is in the past - leave it there and go forward with what you
have now.
Focus on what you want rather than trying to fix what's wrong. Giving
power to the thing that you don't want just keeps it coming back.
Don't wait for the horse to do something wrong and then correct it -
catch the thought and re-direct it.
Softness and lightness are two different things.
Release when the horse softens his mind, rather than when he softens
physically/mechanically.
Meet the brace with softness, and he cannot brace. If he is bracing,
you are bracing.
Redirect rather than resist.
How you breathe, when you breathe, how you coordinate your breath with
your riding.
Coordinating change of direction with footfalls - ask as the foot
leaves the ground, not when it is planted.
Redirect the feet rather than the shoulder when the horse "falls in."
Changing gaits involves a change in rhythm, not in speed or tempo. To
do a transition, put the change in rhythm into your body, add an aid
as backup if needed.
Create the connection, embody the feeling of what you want, and go
together.
I haven't done him justice, but I'm sure Mark would be pleased with
the try. :)
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| Dawn J-L... |
Posted: Sat Oct 10, 2009 5:27 am |
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On Oct 10, 11:17 am, Nancy DeMarco <nancyd.... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote:
Quote: I didn't take notes, so I only have impressions to share.
I spent the week getting up in the wee hours to muck and feed, then
driving 4 - 5 hours a day in order to sit in a cold, clammy indoor
huddled under blankets with water dripping on my head, shivering,
chilled to the bone, drinking coffee and eating crusty donuts,
catching a nasty cold/flu thing that's going to cost me two weeks of
pay in addition to the week I canceled in order to go to the clinic.
And it was worth it, and I'd do it again.
I am pretty much jaded. Most demos and clinics have me inwardly
rolling my eyes, biting my tongue, muttering under my breath and
walking away shaking my head at the near-universal lack of basic
competence in the horse world. I think this may be the first time I
didn't disagree with a single thing that came out of the clinician's
mouth, or a single thing he did with the horse or rider. Even the
biomechanics were spot on.
(snip)
He spent a lot of time developing feel, so that the rider could
experience a higher level of softness and connection, to the point
where one person spent most of her session on the ground, holding one
end of the reins while he held the other. That teaching method is
nothing new, but the quality of the feel he was putting across is a
very different sort of connection. He wants you to create a profound
connection through your soft body and your soft hands and relaxed
mind, to the horse's soft jaw and poll and body, so that when you
gently sway, he sways too, and your thought becomes his action. You
connect, and you become one.
So, some of the basic things that lingered in my mind...
The past is in the past - leave it there and go forward with what you
have now.
Focus on what you want rather than trying to fix what's wrong. Giving
power to the thing that you don't want just keeps it coming back.
Don't wait for the horse to do something wrong and then correct it -
catch the thought and re-direct it.
Softness and lightness are two different things.
Release when the horse softens his mind, rather than when he softens
physically/mechanically.
Meet the brace with softness, and he cannot brace. If he is bracing,
you are bracing.
Redirect rather than resist.
How you breathe, when you breathe, how you coordinate your breath with
your riding.
Coordinating change of direction with footfalls - ask as the foot
leaves the ground, not when it is planted.
Redirect the feet rather than the shoulder when the horse "falls in."
Changing gaits involves a change in rhythm, not in speed or tempo. To
do a transition, put the change in rhythm into your body, add an aid
as backup if needed.
Create the connection, embody the feeling of what you want, and go
together.
I haven't done him justice, but I'm sure Mark would be pleased with
the try. :)
Nancy
I have several of his books and have always felt that he was someone I
could work with. That he abandoned his colt starting clinics because
he felt it didn't best serve the colts (or their people) revealed to
me that he was a thinking horseman. We all make mistakes and
misjudgments, how we move on is what matters most.
I am glad to hear that your clinic experience was so positive. I
will make a point of going to one when an opportunity next presents
itself. Thanks for sharing.
--Dawn JL
DQ who admires horsemen like Rashid, the Dorrances (Bill and Tom), and
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| sallyjavalon... |
Posted: Sat Oct 10, 2009 6:47 am |
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On Oct 10, 11:17 am, Nancy DeMarco <nancyd.... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote:
Quote: I didn't take notes, so I only have impressions to share.
I spent the week getting up in the wee hours to muck and feed, then
driving 4 - 5 hours a day in order to sit in a cold, clammy indoor
huddled under blankets with water dripping on my head, shivering,
chilled to the bone, drinking coffee and eating crusty donuts,
catching a nasty cold/flu thing that's going to cost me two weeks of
pay in addition to the week I canceled in order to go to the clinic.
And it was worth it, and I'd do it again.
I am pretty much jaded. Most demos and clinics have me inwardly
rolling my eyes, biting my tongue, muttering under my breath and
walking away shaking my head at the near-universal lack of basic
competence in the horse world. I think this may be the first time I
didn't disagree with a single thing that came out of the clinician's
mouth, or a single thing he did with the horse or rider. Even the
biomechanics were spot on.
Many clinicians can take a horse/rider combination, separate them, hop
on the horse and work through a problem, then show the rider how to
follow his footprints. But Mark took some very average riders aboard
typical backyard, unschooled things, and transformed them as one.
One combination in particular was a fairly ham-fisted, rigid rider who
knew everything and suffered from verbal diarrhea, aboard a very
worried, braced from nose to tail, totally inverted, hind end swinging
to and fro, butt ugly horse whose best use was probably compost. Day
one, they started to soften at a walk. Day two, they were soft and
round at two gaits and starting to soften at the canter. And the
rider was beginning to let go of blaming the horse, and the horse
became beautiful.
There were some lovely horses and riders too. And they went from
riding skillfully to riding without conscious aids - finding the feel
of the thing they wanted and putting that feel into their bodies so
that their thoughts became the horses' actions.
He spent a lot of time developing feel, so that the rider could
experience a higher level of softness and connection, to the point
where one person spent most of her session on the ground, holding one
end of the reins while he held the other. That teaching method is
nothing new, but the quality of the feel he was putting across is a
very different sort of connection. He wants you to create a profound
connection through your soft body and your soft hands and relaxed
mind, to the horse's soft jaw and poll and body, so that when you
gently sway, he sways too, and your thought becomes his action. You
connect, and you become one.
So, some of the basic things that lingered in my mind...
The past is in the past - leave it there and go forward with what you
have now.
Focus on what you want rather than trying to fix what's wrong. Giving
power to the thing that you don't want just keeps it coming back.
Don't wait for the horse to do something wrong and then correct it -
catch the thought and re-direct it.
Softness and lightness are two different things.
Release when the horse softens his mind, rather than when he softens
physically/mechanically.
Meet the brace with softness, and he cannot brace. If he is bracing,
you are bracing.
Redirect rather than resist.
How you breathe, when you breathe, how you coordinate your breath with
your riding.
Coordinating change of direction with footfalls - ask as the foot
leaves the ground, not when it is planted.
Redirect the feet rather than the shoulder when the horse "falls in."
Changing gaits involves a change in rhythm, not in speed or tempo. To
do a transition, put the change in rhythm into your body, add an aid
as backup if needed.
Create the connection, embody the feeling of what you want, and go
together.
I haven't done him justice, but I'm sure Mark would be pleased with
the try. :)
Nancy
Thanks for the great report, Nancy. I had previously thought Rashid
made a lot of sense. After reading this I will make every effort to
get to a clinic should the opportunity arise.
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| Chrissy... |
Posted: Sat Oct 10, 2009 7:22 am |
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On Oct 10, 11:17 am, Nancy DeMarco <nancyd.... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote:
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Redirect the feet rather than the shoulder when the horse "falls in."
Can you talk a little more about this?
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| Mary Healey... |
Posted: Sat Oct 10, 2009 7:29 am |
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Nancy DeMarco <nancyd.lmt at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote:
Quote: ... and the horse became beautiful.
And that's EVERYTHING.
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Mary H. and the restored Ames National Zoo:
The Right Reverand Sir Edgar "Lucky" Pan-Waffles;
U-CD ANZ Babylon Ranger, CD, RE; ANZ Pas de Duke, RN;
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| Nancy DeMarco... |
Posted: Sat Oct 10, 2009 7:40 am |
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Chrissy <ceco... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote:
Quote: Redirect the feet rather than the shoulder when the horse "falls in."
Can you talk a little more about this?
I'll try. Bear in mind it wasn't really discussed at length, and I
may be mis-interpreting his intention.
He spoke about directing the front feet with the reins and the hind
feet with the leg (if needed, to back up the thought). When the horse
begins to fall in at the shoulder, it is not his shoulder that has
come out from beneath you and left the line of travel, but the foot.
The inside fore has been placed to the inside of the track, but the
shoulder has not yet followed. So the potential to shift his weight
inward and fall in has not yet been realized, and a little inside rein
pressure against the neck as the inside fore leaves the ground will
return the foot to the desired track in the next stride.
I'm always trying to catch Lucy's falling in with weight shift and leg
placement, while using a little inside rein to keep the bend. But
holding the feeling of straightness and lightly directing the inside
fore with the inside rein kept her very straight and balanced, with
none of my usual flailing and twisting.
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| Nancy DeMarco... |
Posted: Sat Oct 10, 2009 7:57 am |
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On Oct 10, 1:29 pm, Mary Healey <amesnatl... at (no spam) yahoo.com> wrote:
Quote: Nancy DeMarco <nancyd.... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote:
... and the horse became beautiful.
And that's EVERYTHING.
Yup. :)
He said that dressage riders are the most difficult to teach, because
they are so invested in riding the horse in parts. It's hard to get
them to let go, connect, blend, and ride the whole horse.
I am guilty there - focusing on fixing this, correcting that, always
chasing after the parts that aren't quite where I want them, and
seldom embodying the feeling of what I truly want. I might
occasionally happen to coordinate a bazillion things and stumble upon
it for a few strides, and then I'm back to tilting at windmills.
Before the Lyme, I was able to make that connection and ride without
being in my head. It came naturally, and since I don't remember
learning it, I didn't know how to re-learn it.
This changes everything.
Nancy |
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| Nancy DeMarco... |
Posted: Sat Oct 10, 2009 8:11 am |
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JC Dill <jcdill.li... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote:
Quote: I've seen this same transformation at several of his clinics. It's
always inspiring to see how much can change in just a few short sessions
I think the thing that was the most valuable to *me*, now, was seeing
some less talented riders doing lovely work with average horses. I
used to be a gifted rider. Now I'm pretty average, and I wasn't sure
I could become good again. This gives me hope. :)
OK - it's more than hope. It's more like confirmation, combined with
a plan of action.
I've signed up to ride in July...
Nancy |
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| Nancy DeMarco... |
Posted: Sat Oct 10, 2009 9:32 am |
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"Jill" <m... at (no spam) NOSPAMkintaline.co.uk> wrote:
Quote: Congrats on the herculean effort to get there and really looking forward to
your reports on how you make what you have learned work with the Lous !!
Well, when I came home from day 1, I got on Lucy. My intention was to
find a job where I could be very focused, rather than doing my usual
(brief) schooling involving controlling all her parts.
So I drew a keyhole at one end of my ring, and I practiced trotting
down to it, doing a turn on the haunches, and trotting back. Then I
upped it to canter, then gallop.
She really got into it, running down, sliding, spinning and running
back. And when I brought her down out of the last gallop, she went
into the most lovely, soft, balanced canter I think she has ever given
me, for those last few strides from gallop to walk. So that was
kewl. :)
Since then I've just worked on focus - having a plan (speed,
direction, destination), embodying the feeling and taking her there.
Since my riding is not all that good, and I am stiff and sore, and she
is stiff and sore, I am sticking to walk and jog, where I can easily
ride and she can easily soften. I open up to a trot or canter for a
few strides when everything is soft and flowing, then return to the
smaller gaits where I can continue to let go.
Louise has been sucking back at the trot, asking to stop at every
stride. I've been keeping a trot rhythm in my body, and following it
up with lots of kicking and growling. I knew I needed to give her a
good whack and let her go, regardless of what sort of forward she
offered. But when I gave her a tentative whack she gave a pretty good
buck, and I lapsed back into kicking.
So I figured my choices were to: 1. Have someone else do it. 2.
Suck it up and do it myself.
I chose option 2, which resulted in a leap and buck and scoot. And my
darn reflexes switched in, and I snatched at her. So rather than
allowing the forward and rewarding her for it, I gave her mixed
signals. I'm nearly always alone, and there is that little bit of
doubt that tends to creep in at just the wrong moment. And I didn't
trust myself to not snatch her again.
Then I went to day 1 of the clinic, and I started thinking about how I
might break it down - not for her, but for me. It was obvious to me
that she would respond exactly as I wanted. It was my reaction to her
response that needed to change. And I decided that I needed a ground
person to yell at me and help to over-ride my reflex.
So I got Jim. His job was to stand in the middle of the ring and yell
TROT! or GO! GO! GO!
He did. It worked. She never did throw a big buck - just hinted that
she would if I hit her again, then caved in immediately when I did
just that. She scooted and cantered, stayed forward with no hint at a
stop, even when I brought her back to trot, and she basically said
"Yes Ma'am," for the rest of the ride.
She has sucked back a few times since then, but now I grab mane *just*
in case the reflex kicks in, and one swat sends her forward.
So, we're making progress.
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| betsey... |
Posted: Sat Oct 10, 2009 11:09 am |
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Quote:
I think the thing that was the most valuable to *me*, now, was seeing
some less talented riders doing lovely work with average horses. I
used to be a gifted rider. Now I'm pretty average, and I wasn't sure
I could become good again. This gives me hope. :)
OK - it's more than hope. It's more like confirmation, combined with
a plan of action.
I've signed up to ride in July...
Nancy
I think that is so cool that you are going to ride with him. but
don't sell yourself short...you're still a gifted rider, and more
importantly, and extremely gifted horsewoman, and a compassionate one.
betsey
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| JC Dill... |
Posted: Sat Oct 10, 2009 12:02 pm |
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Nancy DeMarco wrote:
<snip details of the ordeal to attend>
Quote: And it was worth it, and I'd do it again.
Yeah!
Quote: and the horse
became beautiful.
I've seen this same transformation at several of his clinics. It's
always inspiring to see how much can change in just a few short sessions.
Quote: He spent a lot of time developing feel, so that the rider could
experience a higher level of softness and connection, to the point
where one person spent most of her session on the ground, holding one
end of the reins while he held the other. That teaching method is
nothing new, but the quality of the feel he was putting across is a
very different sort of connection. He wants you to create a profound
connection through your soft body and your soft hands and relaxed
mind, to the horse's soft jaw and poll and body, so that when you
gently sway, he sways too, and your thought becomes his action. You
connect, and you become one.
This is a great way to describe building a true partnership.
Quote: So, some of the basic things that lingered in my mind...
The past is in the past - leave it there and go forward with what you
have now.
Well said!
Quote: Focus on what you want rather than trying to fix what's wrong. Giving
power to the thing that you don't want just keeps it coming back.
Again, well said!
Quote: I haven't done him justice, but I'm sure Mark would be pleased with
the try.
I'm sure Mark would be pleased with the try, and *I* think you did him
justice perfectly well. I'm so glad you went, and found it valuable.
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| madeline... |
Posted: Sat Oct 10, 2009 12:04 pm |
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Now I'm REALLY looking forward to Equine Affaire. Mark Rashid has 6
hours of clinics scheduled.
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| Jill... |
Posted: Sat Oct 10, 2009 12:56 pm |
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"Nancy DeMarco" <nancyd.lmt at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote in message
news:c61f8932-8fd2-4c89-a6c5-81456192c7af at (no spam) 33g2000vbe.googlegroups.com...
On Oct 10, 1:29 pm, Mary Healey <amesnatl... at (no spam) yahoo.com> wrote:
Quote: Nancy DeMarco <nancyd.... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote:
... and the horse became beautiful.
And that's EVERYTHING.
Yup. :)
He said that dressage riders are the most difficult to teach, because
they are so invested in riding the horse in parts. It's hard to get
them to let go, connect, blend, and ride the whole horse.
I am guilty there - focusing on fixing this, correcting that, always
chasing after the parts that aren't quite where I want them, and
seldom embodying the feeling of what I truly want. I might
occasionally happen to coordinate a bazillion things and stumble upon
it for a few strides, and then I'm back to tilting at windmills.
Before the Lyme, I was able to make that connection and ride without
being in my head. It came naturally, and since I don't remember
learning it, I didn't know how to re-learn it.
This changes everything.
Great report, and it sounds like this was JUST the right person to connect
with Right Now.
His empathy and skills match what you are working on, and READY to go
forward with.
Congrats on the herculean effort to get there and really looking forward to
your reports on how you make what you have learned work with the Lous !!
--
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regards
Jill Bowis
Domestic Poultry and Waterfowl Solutions
Herbaceous; Herb and Alpine Nursery
Seasonal Farm Food
http://www.kintaline.co.uk
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| Nancy DeMarco... |
Posted: Sat Oct 10, 2009 12:59 pm |
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madeline <madelin... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote:
Quote: Now I'm REALLY looking forward to Equine Affaire. Mark Rashid has 6
hours of clinics scheduled.
Maybe we can meet up. I'll be the one with the floss.
Nancy |
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| Francis Burton... |
Posted: Sat Oct 10, 2009 1:31 pm |
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In article <e641d70b-cf7a-4a75-9018-b056d42f7046 at (no spam) y21g2000yqn.googlegroups.com>,
Dawn J-L <tjoneslo at (no spam) together.net> wrote:
Quote: could work with. That he abandoned his colt starting clinics because
he felt it didn't best serve the colts (or their people) revealed to
me that he was a thinking horseman. We all make mistakes and
So Rashid isn't going to be competing in Extreme Mustang Makeovers
or In a Whisper Challenges anytime soon??
(Thanks to Nancy for a great report.)
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