On 9 Oct, 16:17, The Chief <The_Chieft... at (no spam) att.net> wrote:

On Oct 9, 8:03 am, Graham <gra... at (no spam) gmilne.demon.co.uk> wrote:

. And
believe me, they may start with the little things, like replacing the
royal arms with a logo, but be in no doubt that their actual and
eventual target is the monarchy itself and all it stands for. We must
fight them on the beaches.... and on the (non) heraldic carpet if it
comes to that.

No wonder I voted for Labour!
Regards,
  The Chief

No, tell us - why did you vote Labour?

Seriously? My country is disintegrating before my very eyes, so of
course I take it seriously. After 12 years of the 'Labour project' (at
the centre of which was an attempt to undermine the social cohesion of
this country in terms of race, religion, morality and a sense of
shared history and culture) the damage done to this country morally,
socially and financially is incalculable and possibly beyond repair.
We have lived through the most dangerous and destructive government in
our history. Vast swathes of the 'establishment' are infected with a
'liberal elitism' (which is actually a form of tyranny) that delights
in this process and wishes to sweep away all traces of our past. And
believe me, they may start with the little things, like replacing the
royal arms with a logo, but be in no doubt that their actual and
eventual target is the monarchy itself and all it stands for. We must
fight them on the beaches.... and on the (non) heraldic carpet if it
comes to that.

Graham wrote:
Seriously? My country is disintegrating before my very eyes, so of
course I take it seriously. After 12 years of the 'Labour project' (at
the centre of which was an attempt to undermine the social cohesion of
this country in terms of race, religion, morality and a sense of
shared history and culture) the damage done to this country morally,
socially and financially is incalculable and possibly beyond repair.
We have lived through the most dangerous and destructive government in
our history. Vast swathes of the 'establishment' are infected with a
'liberal elitism' (which is actually a form of tyranny) that delights
in this process and wishes to sweep away all traces of our past. And
believe me, they may start with the little things, like replacing the
royal arms with a logo, but be in no doubt that their actual and
eventual target is the monarchy itself and all it stands for. We must
fight them on the beaches.... and on the (non) heraldic carpet if it
comes to that.

Someone devises a rubbish logo and all of a sudden you start using
words like Labour project... damage done to this country
morally....liberal elite...eventual target is the monarchy....tyranny
etc. What is it about right wingers? Why can't you ever get some sense
of perspective? It's a rubbish logo...that's all! Scales and a sword
would have been much better, but to suggest that this confection of
flowers, thistles and leaves represents some sort of Socialist
Conspiracy is just plain daft. Get a grip!

Richard L

On Oct 9, 1:02 pm, Turenne <rick.lich... at (no spam) virgin.net> wrote:





Graham wrote:
Seriously? My country is disintegrating before my very eyes, so of
course I take it seriously. After 12 years of the 'Labour project' (at
the centre of which was an attempt to undermine the social cohesion of
this country in terms of race, religion, morality and a sense of
shared history and culture) the damage done to this country morally,
socially and financially is incalculable and possibly beyond repair..
We have lived through the most dangerous and destructive government in
our history. Vast swathes of the 'establishment' are infected with a
'liberal elitism' (which is actually a form of tyranny) that delights
in this process and wishes to sweep away all traces of our past. And
believe me, they may start with the little things, like replacing the
royal arms with a logo, but be in no doubt that their actual and
eventual target is the monarchy itself and all it stands for. We must
fight them on the beaches.... and on the (non) heraldic carpet if it
comes to that.

Someone devises a rubbish logo and all of a sudden you start using
words like Labour project... damage done to this country
morally....liberal elite...eventual target is the monarchy....tyranny
etc. What is it about right wingers? Why can't you ever get some sense
of perspective? It's a rubbish logo...that's all! Scales and a sword
would have been much better, but to suggest that this confection of
flowers, thistles and leaves represents some sort of Socialist
Conspiracy is just plain daft. Get a grip!

Richard L

To get back on topic:
Why is it that multiple people seem to think that there is something
highly innovative in the use of these floral emblems?
There isn't, other than in the use of a flax to represent the 6-
counties - Britain seems to be unsure as to what symbol to use for its
remaining Irish colony.
The use of the rose, thistle and shamrock to represent England,
Scotland and Ireland is highly traditional and has been around for
centuries, so why there suddenly a big brouhaha about this (heraldic)
badge completely escapes me.

Regards,
  The Chief- Hide quoted text -

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Graham wrote:
Seriously? My country is disintegrating before my very eyes, so of
course I take it seriously. After 12 years of the 'Labour project' (at
the centre of which was an attempt to undermine the social cohesion of
this country in terms of race, religion, morality and a sense of
shared history and culture) the damage done to this country morally,
socially and financially is incalculable and possibly beyond repair.
We have lived through the most dangerous and destructive government in
our history. Vast swathes of the 'establishment' are infected with a
'liberal elitism' (which is actually a form of tyranny) that delights
in this process and wishes to sweep away all traces of our past. And
believe me, they may start with the little things, like replacing the
royal arms with a logo, but be in no doubt that their actual and
eventual target is the monarchy itself and all it stands for. We must
fight them on the beaches.... and on the (non) heraldic carpet if it
comes to that.

Someone devises a rubbish logo and all of a sudden you start using
words like Labour project... damage done to this country
morally....liberal elite...eventual target is the monarchy....tyranny
etc. What is it about right wingers? Why can't you ever get some sense
of perspective? It's a rubbish logo...that's all! Scales and a sword
would have been much better, but to suggest that this confection of
flowers, thistles and leaves represents some sort of Socialist
Conspiracy is just plain daft. Get a grip!

Richard L- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

On 9 Oct, 21:02, Turenne <rick.lich... at (no spam) virgin.net> wrote:





Graham wrote:
Seriously? My country is disintegrating before my very eyes, so of
course I take it seriously. After 12 years of the 'Labour project' (at
the centre of which was an attempt to undermine the social cohesion of
this country in terms of race, religion, morality and a sense of
shared history and culture) the damage done to this country morally,
socially and financially is incalculable and possibly beyond repair..
We have lived through the most dangerous and destructive government in
our history. Vast swathes of the 'establishment' are infected with a
'liberal elitism' (which is actually a form of tyranny) that delights
in this process and wishes to sweep away all traces of our past. And
believe me, they may start with the little things, like replacing the
royal arms with a logo, but be in no doubt that their actual and
eventual target is the monarchy itself and all it stands for. We must
fight them on the beaches.... and on the (non) heraldic carpet if it
comes to that.

Someone devises a rubbish logo and all of a sudden you start using
words like Labour project... damage done to this country
morally....liberal elite...eventual target is the monarchy....tyranny
etc. What is it about right wingers? Why can't you ever get some sense
of perspective? It's a rubbish logo...that's all! Scales and a sword
would have been much better, but to suggest that this confection of
flowers, thistles and leaves represents some sort of Socialist
Conspiracy is just plain daft. Get a grip!

Richard L- Hide quoted text -

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Removing the royal arms from the highest court of appeal in the land
is a serious matter and wasn't done by mistake or without an awareness
of its significance. And stop throwing stupid allegations about
conspiracies about. But if you are unaware of the concerted assault on
our liberties by this Labour government then you must be either blind
or stupid. Fortunately, people are waking up to what is going on -
even if you aren't.

 The discussion seems to focus on the latter
issue, but the court could have the best designed, most heraldic badge
in the history of heraldry and the absence of the royal arms from the
courtroom would still be an issue, no?

Joseph McMillan

Why is it that multiple people seem to think that there is something
highly innovative in the use of these floral emblems?
There isn't, other than in the use of a flax to represent the 6-
counties

The Chief wrote:
Why is it that multiple people seem to think that there is something
highly innovative in the use of these floral emblems?
There isn't, other than in the use of a flax to represent the 6-
counties

This is hardly a recent innovation. Flax appeared on (pre-decimal
cuurency) postage stamps issued in Northern Ireland from 1963-71. It
appears on UK £1 coins minted in 1986 and 1991 and in the logo of the
Northern Ireland assembly.

To me, the use of flax as a symbol in UK heraldry seems to make a lot
more sense than the use of the shamrock or the harp (...surely that will
disappear from the Royal Arms if/when George VII takes the throne?)

     x

http://www.collectgbstamps.co.uk/images/gb/1968/1968_3350_l.jpg

The Chief wrote:
Why is it that multiple people seem to think that there is something
highly innovative in the use of these floral emblems?
There isn't, other than in the use of a flax to represent the 6-
counties

This is hardly a recent innovation. Flax appeared on (pre-decimal
cuurency) postage stamps issued in Northern Ireland from 1963-71. It
appears on UK £1 coins minted in 1986 and 1991 and in the logo of the
Northern Ireland assembly.

To me, the use of flax as a symbol in UK heraldry seems to make a lot
more sense than the use of the shamrock or the harp (...surely that will
disappear from the Royal Arms if/when George VII takes the throne?)

     x

http://www.collectgbstamps.co.uk/images/gb/1968/1968_3350_l.jpg

Britain does not occupy all of Ulster...

Greg wrote:
Plants do make interesting geographical images and add life to a
design.  I'm with Graham on this however and my question would be,
don't you think that this badge design for the court is rather a weak
image for such a strong set of offices?

Yes... I'd agree with that. I was surprised when I read that this badge
was the work of the CoA. For me, it's really not a great piece of
heraldic art.

     x

Plants do make interesting geographical images and add life to a
design. I'm with Graham on this however and my question would be,
don't you think that this badge design for the court is rather a weak
image for such a strong set of offices?

Michael Merrigan:



Maybe with the excellent political relationship now between Dublin and
London that the British authorities would consider dropping the
heraldic claim to sovereignty over Ireland as represented in the
current British Royal Arms. It certainly would be nice neighbourly
gesture - don't you think?

I suppose your suggestion makes sense. It took 250 years after we lost
Calais for George III to renounce his claims to the French throne and
drop the fleurs-de-lys. Are you suggesting the harp should be replaced
by the Red Hand of Ulster?

Richard L

I would certainly advocate that any change to the current [British]
Royal Arms should involve a greater inclusivity in its heraldic
representation of the four parts of the United Kingdom - England,
Scotland, Northern Ireland and Wales/Cymru. Maybe this should have
been done when the Scottish Parliament and Welsh Assembly were
established. (re-established, I suppose for the former)

I mean - let's not forget our Celtic cousins in Wales/Cymru.