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| Hugh39... |
 Posted: Mon Oct 05, 2009 9:28 am |
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Charles Fitzroy (c1713-1782) was the illegitimate son of Charles
Fitzroy, 2nd Duke of Grafton, whose father was an illegitimate son of
Charles II. He married Frances Scudamore, heir of the 3rd Viscount
Scudamore and adopted her arms and surname becoming Charles Fitzroy-
Scudamore. The arms on her hatchment in Holme Lacy church, Hereford,
have Fitzroy quartering Scudamore. However there is also a Scudamore
escutcheon in pretence. I haven't found any evidence of an earlier
marriage of this family to the Scudamores. Can anyone throw any light
on why the Scudamore coat is quartered AND in pretence?
Hugh Wood |
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| Turenne... |
| Posted: Mon Oct 05, 2009 10:15 am |
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On Oct 5, 8:28 pm, Hugh39 <hughwoo... at (no spam) googlemail.com> wrote:
Quote: Charles Fitzroy (c1713-1782) was the illegitimate son of Charles
Fitzroy, 2nd Duke of Grafton, whose father was an illegitimate son of
Charles II. He married Frances Scudamore, heir of the 3rd Viscount
Scudamore and adopted her arms and surname becoming Charles Fitzroy-
Scudamore. The arms on her hatchment in Holme Lacy church, Hereford,
have Fitzroy quartering Scudamore. However there is also a Scudamore
escutcheon in pretence. I haven't found any evidence of an earlier
marriage of this family to the Scudamores. Can anyone throw any light
on why the Scudamore coat is quartered AND in pretence?
Hugh Wood
Could it be that the Fitzroy/Scudamore quarterings represent Charles'
marriage to Frances, and the escutcheon of pretence demonstrates that
Frances is also an heraldic heiress. Ideally, the hatchment should
show Fitzroy on an escutcheon Scudamore. You should also allow for
some artistic license!
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| Turenne... |
| Posted: Mon Oct 05, 2009 11:41 am |
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A friend had a good idea that makes a lot of sense:-
If Charles Fitzroy married Frances Scudamore, and obtained a Royal
Licence to bear her arms, perhaps the licence actually entitled him to
bear Fitzroy [his natural patriline] quartered with Scudamore - after
all, the surnames were combined so the natural conclusion is that the
arms were too, forming one grand quarter. Assuming this to be the
case, the quartered arms (1 &4 Fitzroy, 2 &3 Scudamore) would be his
arms, and his wife's remained Scudamore alone, properly displayed in
their marital achievement as an escutcheon in pretence to signify her
being an heiress.
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| Turenne... |
| Posted: Mon Oct 05, 2009 11:50 am |
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In addition:
"An Act to enable and oblige Charles Fitz Roy Esquire and Frances his
Wife, and the Issue of her Body, to take and use the additional
Surname, and bear the Arms, of Scudamore,"
From: 'House of Lords Journal Volume 27: March 1749, 11-20', Journal
of the House of Lords volume 27: 1746-1752, pp. 298-308. URL:
http://www.british-history.ac.uk/report.aspx?compid=114289
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| Hugh39... |
| Posted: Mon Oct 05, 2009 11:05 pm |
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On 5 Oct, 22:41, Turenne <rick.lich... at (no spam) virgin.net> wrote:
Quote: A friend had a good idea that makes a lot of sense:-
If Charles Fitzroy married Frances Scudamore, and obtained a Royal
Licence to bear her arms, perhaps the licence actually entitled him to
bear Fitzroy [his natural patriline] quartered with Scudamore - after
all, the surnames were combined so the natural conclusion is that the
arms were too, forming one grand quarter. Assuming this to be the
case, the quartered arms (1 &4 Fitzroy, 2 &3 Scudamore) would be his
arms, and his wife's remained Scudamore alone, properly displayed in
their marital achievement as an escutcheon in pretence to signify her
being an heiress.
Richard Lichten
Thanks, Richard
That all sounds very plausible.
Hugh |
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