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| Shuurai... |
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Quote: “Some of my best memories are sitting on my dad’s lap, cheering on
Olga and Nadia, Carl Lewis, and others for their brilliance and
perfection.”
-Michelle Obama
She was 20 years old when Lewis first competed in the Olympics in
1984.
Michelle obviously holds the same regard for the truth that her
husband does. Actually, in this case it's not so much a matter of
lying as it is a matter of just not caring about the truth. The truth
literally doesn't matter; what matters is that it made for a good
sound bite. And when it turns out to be fiction, she can rest assured
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| Morbius... |
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On Oct 5, 8:29 pm, "Fraser Johnston" <ftr... at (no spam) iinet.net.au> wrote:
Quote: "Shuurai" <shuura... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote in message
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Actually we get the point very well. Michelle Obama is a liar, just
like her husband. Just like the vast majority of politicians in DC
regardless of their political affiliation. They're all liars,
republican and democrat alike.
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Ding! Ding! Ding! We have a winner.
call me naive, but i refuse to belive theyre all liars.for every one
thats caught in such lies thers one we donrt hear aboiut who isnt, |
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| Fraser Johnston... |
| Posted: Mon Oct 05, 2009 10:25 pm |
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"Morbius" <billamahoney at (no spam) yahoo.com> wrote in message
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On Oct 5, 8:29 pm, "Fraser Johnston" <ftr... at (no spam) iinet.net.au> wrote:
Quote: "Shuurai" <shuura... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote in message
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Actually we get the point very well. Michelle Obama is a liar, just
like her husband. Just like the vast majority of politicians in DC
regardless of their political affiliation. They're all liars,
republican and democrat alike.
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Ding! Ding! Ding! We have a winner.
call me naive, but i refuse to belive theyre all liars.for every one
thats caught in such lies thers one we donrt hear aboiut who isnt,
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Some of them are just better at it.
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| Morbius... |
| Posted: Tue Oct 06, 2009 4:23 pm |
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On Oct 6, 4:44 pm, Slim <s... at (no spam) pickins.com> wrote:
Quote: On 2009-10-04 20:10:04 -0400, Shuurai <shuura... at (no spam) gmail.com> said:
“Some of my best memories are sitting on my dad’s lap, cheering on
Olga and Nadia, Carl Lewis, and others for their brilliance and
perfection.”
-Michelle Obama
She was 20 years old when Lewis first competed in the Olympics in
1984.
Michelle obviously holds the same regard for the truth that her
husband does. Actually, in this case it's not so much a matter of
lying as it is a matter of just not caring about the truth. The truth
literally doesn't matter; what matters is that it made for a good
sound bite. And when it turns out to be fiction, she can rest assured
that the media will ignore it or even spin it for her.
She did not start a war and invade a country based on lies, like your BUSH did.
it wasnt a lie that saddam wouldnt let UN inspectors come in and look
all around unsupervised.
So saddam caused the war.
No one thought he was so brainless hed not let them in if he didnt
have anything.Not bush not you, nor me...no one.
even if we knew he had nothing fuck it, im not against killing a bunch
of them if we can get saddam, afterall he gave us the ability to build
a case to kill him, by not letteing the UN do there thing.
and can i assume you are just as anti obama as bush...as he said hed
pull us out of iraq long agao and he didnt and people on both sides
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| TravIsGod... |
| Posted: Tue Oct 06, 2009 5:53 pm |
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Quote: it wasnt a lie that saddam wouldnt let UN inspectors come in and look
all around unsupervised.
I marvel that you people on daily basis call the UN a den of corrupt,
lying, crooked, incompetent bastards yet it is some sort of WAR
justifying sin that Saddam wouldn't let them roam around his country.
Did you also forget that WE and the Brits PACKED the weapons
inspection delegations with fucking SPIES who were CAUGHT redhanded
installing covert eavesdropping apparatus?
It's like history never happened.
Quote: So saddam caused the war.
No, he really didn't. WE wanted that war and we got it.
Quote: No one thought he was so brainless hed not let them in if he didnt
have anything.Not bush not you, nor me...no one.
Dude, 1/3 of the UN team was SPIES from our intelligence services.
YES, the UN really IS corrupt and worthless. You HATE the fucking UN;
you speak out against it CONSTANTLY when it suits you, but you rely on
this same UN as a justification for war???
Quote: even if we knew he had nothing fuck it, im not against killing a bunch
of them if we can get saddam, afterall he gave us the ability to build
a case to kill him, by not letteing the UN do there thing.
What exactly IS the UN's thing? I'm going to ask you this again the
next time you're railing against the UN as a fucking rotten
institution full of liars and criminals.
Quote: and can i assume you are just as anti obama as bush...as he said hed
pull us out of iraq long agao and he didnt and people on both sides
are still dying?
NeObama can do no wrong; you know that. He has sanctified and
consecrated the war by his presence and steely gaze.
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| Herbert Cannon... |
| Posted: Wed Oct 07, 2009 6:12 pm |
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"I have to admit, behind the lunatic ranting and pirate-like cussing
there are reason as well as logic !
I thought you were more sophisticated and less naive. But then I have to
remember Iran lied to the EU about their nucs too; and you would not believe
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| Herbert Cannon... |
| Posted: Wed Oct 07, 2009 6:26 pm |
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Dont answer that question, Wannabe. It is a trap. If you say no, they will
get you for perjury. Best you take the 5th.
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| TravIsGod... |
| Posted: Sat Oct 10, 2009 1:56 pm |
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I'm not going to respond to your post unless you clip your previous
statements
If you won't then fuck off.
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| TravIsGod... |
| Posted: Sat Oct 10, 2009 1:57 pm |
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Quote: "Sword Song - The Battle for London," by Bernard Cornwell. Good author -
author of "Sharpe's Rifles."
That sum it up for you?
Yes, you are a bloodthirsty maggot who revels in death. I got that.
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| Herbert Cannon... |
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"TravIsGod" <travisgod at (no spam) aol.com> wrote in message
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Quote: He made the deal. If you make a bargain stick with it. Make a deal with
500lb gorilla and renege.See what happens..
JFC man, can't you REMOVE all the previous shit in the post and just
cut it so I can read MY STATEMENT to you that you are replying to? I
mean, god dammit take a fucking computer class and learn where the
shift and delete keys are.
Life is really tough. Fuck you.
Quote: Had nothing to do with them being spies. He never complained about that.
He
was too busy being a pain in the ass. You need to get another client to
defend. This one has already been hanged.
He EJECTED THEM immediately AFTER they were discovered installing
covert eavesdropping apparatus OUTSIDE (by definition) the scope of
the inspections mandate and at sites that were OUTSIDE the scope of
inspected sites and for purposes that had NOTHING to do with weapons
inspection!
Well I am not even sure that spies existed. Saddam was doing pretty much
everything he could to obstruct the inspections. Newspaper reports did not
exactly leave me sure of your allegations. Anyway, newspaper reporters are
wrong a lot of the times. If you try reading " Kill Bin Laden" you will see
where the commander of Delta Force said about 70% of the newpaper reports
coming out of Tora Bora were wrong.
Now even if there were spies - so what. He was probably going to take some
espionage to figure out what ole Saddam had and was up to.
The US does NOT have the right
Whoa whoa stop right there ( no pun intended). Dont start talking about
rights to me. I mean really this is not a court of law. If you want to
bellyache about rights you can ask about the rights of the Kurds, the people
drug into Saddam's rape rooms etc etc.
and DID NOT under the UN mandate to
fucking install SPY EQUIPMENT in Iraq!
Saddam lost. He was the vanquished.
Don't bleat to me about how Saddam violated the UN mandates when WE
DID TOO.
I said he should not have kicked the inspectors out. Particularly when he
lost the war. What do you think happens to people who side with us when we
lose and pull out? So dont go getting squishy legal on me.
Quote: No because Saddam would not let them do the inspections and on top of that
when we were enforcing out no fly zone they kept shooting at our planes.
Not
a good idea.
WTFever. The UN is corrupt,
Yup.
the inspections program was corrupt,
Nope.
our
presence on the inspections contingent was corrupt
Unproven
and involved in
spying that was never authorized by the fuckin UN.
Unproven.
WE engaged in clearly illegal acts
Unproven.
and so Saddam expelled the entire
inspection team because of what WE DID.
Saddam would have expelled the teams no matter what the circumstances were.
So you quit try to justifying the madman's actions.
So, gee, that sounds like a
justification for a WAR that has cost a $1T and 5000 american lives,
Lot more than that. You can read about it in " War and Decision" by Feith
and go educate yourself. I dont have the time or the inclination.
nevermind the up to 1M Iraqis killed. 1M, 100k, pick a fucking
numbers. Yeah, the country is SO better off now that it's destroyed
It is not destroyed.
and being run by fuckin muslims intent on a theocracy.
All Muslims are intent on theocracy. That is the problem. There is only
Sharia for them. There is no such thing as secular.
They have
SHARIA in their Constitution, something that Saddam would never have
permitted.
That is cause Saddam was a megalomaniac. Oh a secular madman dictator is
your hero? What a laugh.
Quote: He was already there.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA...you're going to sit here and claim Saddam was
equivalent to Hitler? You cannot GET any stupider.
I belive you were the one that brought up Hitler. I merely pointed out some
analogies.
Quote: Largest army in the middle east at one time.
Yeah, he was a threat to invade the entire world, just like
Milosevic.
No one invaded the whole world. You are babbling again.
Literally a spitting image of Hitler.
Get the FUCK out of here.
Get the FUCK some knowledge.
WOW. That is SO like Russia, Poland, the entirety of Eastern Europe,
France, Italy, North Africa..
Are you even aware of the land mass of Iran? I dont think so. Iran's land
mass is greater than than France, Germany, and Great Britain combined. Try
checking it out some time. Poland was pissant country that Hitler rolled
over. Italy was on Germany's side. France got rolled over by stupidly
fighting the last war with the Maginot line. Not even a contest. GB was
saved by a channel. They even stopped Operation Sea Lion.
Russia was the only country invaded with a huge land mass and population.
..yes I can see how a moron like you would
think he was the next Hitler.
I can see how a moron like you would not even see any analogy. Hell he was a
hero to every street Arab in the middle east. Not the governments. He scared
the shit out of them. The Arab people thought he saved them from the Persian
and the Shia menace. He held up Desert Storm as a victory for him. What the
fuck do you think he would have taken if we had not stopped him. Saudi
Arabia, UAE, Syria, then on to Egypt. If not by force then by treaty. He
would have raised the green banner and hollered Jihad. It would be history
repeating itself.
We supported him in Iran
I do believe Iran was calling us the Great Satan about that time. The enemy
of my enemy is my friend.
and gave him a greenlight on Kuwait.
Yeah I read about that. I believe that is generally bullshit also.
That is OUR prison.
What a load of total bullshit. Who are you, Senator Dingus Durbin? We did
not build it. It was Saddam's prison long before it was ours. For a Kurd to
be sent there under Saddam it was certain death. If you want to read about
our prison go get the book " Fixing Hell" and get the true story. It is
written by an Army Col, who is a black man and a democrat.
God damn, you're a fuckin irretrievably stupid maggot.
You are an ignorant, parasitic, bloodsucking, little leech spouting
bullshit.. If you refuse to educate yourself, you are stupid, parasitic,
bloodsucking, wimpy, little leech.
Quote: Youi really are kind of slow. There was no LEGITMACY to the inspections.
You
just admitted they were done by a corrupt organization. Your idea of
running
the FBI is to go ask the Mafia etc if they did anything wrong.
So if there was no legitimacy, then your justification for the war
that he violated the inspections mandate of an ILLEGITIMATE
organization collapses on itself.
HEY fuck face when you lose a war you dont get to dictate terms. Got that.
Quote: Right and Saddam was a nice old man.
Who GIVES A FUCK? Really, NOT MY PROBLEM. Iraq's problem.
Not anymore.
Quote: No that is what you are doing.
Not at all. I have consistently said that the UN is bullshit and
should be disbanded. I don't give a fuck who they sanction.
Well Alice this is not Kansas. Not going to happen.
They've passed resolutions against Israel and have we invaded them?
They have passed resolutions disarming Hezbollah in Lebanon - so what.
Did we invade North Korea?
Sure did.
A TON of not-nice men in positions of
power all over the world...how the fuck is this OUR problem to fix?
Yeah and none of them like us very much. It is our problem to defend
ourselves and you dont win wars with defensive operations.
Quote: The inspectors got kicked out and aircraft got fired upon.
Read the inspectors' reports. They said NO WMD.
Oh horseshit. They were stymied - the cooperation started when the buildup
of forces was complete. No one knew what the fuck he had. Still dont. For
all we know that shit is in Syria. It was not exactly a mountain and it is
not exactly hard to move.
They were abundantly
clear. No evidence whatsoever.
Horse shit.
Turns out that they, and I, were
right. You were wrong and so was Busch and Clitton and all the other
pathological liars.
Yea cause you talked to Assad too huh? You are a naive little fucker.
Quote: Right we should have trusted Saddam. As you are ignoring the rest of the
evidence because you have not studied it at all. Juries in too late.
TRUSTED? Nobody had to trust the mfer, we KNEW that there were NO WMD
already! Chainy and the neocons wanted a fuckin war there, evidence
be damned. I was CLEAR on this in the runup to it.
Well then, if so, Saddam should not have provoked the shit out of them
should he. Dont fuck with the gorilla.
Quote: Did we make a deal? Did we permit inspections under the SALT treaties? Did
the Russkys permit inspections? If you make a deal stick to it. Especially
when you make a deal with a 500 lb gorilla.
So that's it, the US is a fucking gorilla.
Of course it is a gorilla. You stupid fuck we were in Baghdad in thirty
days.
You have the brains of a
gorilla.
You sound like Baghdad Bob.
Quote: You said they are corrupt. Which way do you want itn- or they corrupt or
not.
Don't you fucking use Saddam's expulsion of the UN as a justification
for war when the UN is totally corrupt.
Saddam should not have kept poking the US play with fire and you get burned.
UN or no UN.
Quote: The UN aint declaring war. Saddam fucked up. Was told to leave. Did not.
Misjudged the situation. Bad move." Fuck with the bull you get the horns."
You are a psychopathic maggot.
You are a parasitic, blood sucking, wimpy little leech.
Quote: And did some other things.
Which of them was a threat to us?
Are you some kind of a stupid fuck that has to wait until a 9 - 11 to figure
out what these people are. Go read about the "near enemy" and the "far
enemy" and you are not the far friend, asshole.
Quote: Harbors mass murderers of US citizens HAHAHA.
That quote refers to the Taliban. What the fuck are doing not reading the
responses to the replies?
However, if you are referring to Saddam:
He harbored the following:
Abu Nidal the Palenstinian terrorist who targeted cafes, hotels, and most
notoriously , the ticket counters at the airports in Rome
Abu Abbas, who led the takeover of the Achille Lauro and murdered the Leon
Klinghoffer an elderly American and invalid.
Abu Musab al Zarqawi an al Quida associa who swore allegiance to Osama and
became the leader of Al Qaida in Iraq.
He allowed the following terrorist groups to operate in Iraq:
Mujahedive Khalq
PKK
Abu Nidal Organization
PLO
Regular Front for the Liberation of Palenstine.
ALF
The Feyadeen Saddam opened camps in 1994 to teach paramilitary skills to
thousands of volunteers. That meant they were training terrorists.
You can go read some of this for yourself. I did not even mention Ansar
Islam which operated in Northern Iraq.
Offered to GIVE THEM TO US, as did Sudan!
If you are talking about Osama we should have offed him when he was in the
Sudan. We had our man in place. But no doubt someone like you would start
warbling about how we had " no right " to run around offing people.
Hell, Iran offered to GIVE
UP the Hezbollah after 911 and BUSCH refused to go with his Axis of
Evil pax americana policy.
GD are you really this naive? Unbelievable. Iran has told so many lies that
there is nothing I would believe from them. Do you even have an iota of
sense of who they are? They are the Revolutionary Guard you fool. The most
fanatical of the Moslems. They are the orginal Islamic revolution. Do I have
to quote the Ayatollah to you? Tell me you are not this naive. You are
either the epitome of naivetee or a fool.
They would have given you nobody. Do you really think they would have
compromised themselves with the whole Moslem world watching. Not a fucking
chance.
So now we risk a fucking nuclear middle
east because we wouldn't deal with the Iranians when we had the
chance.
You mean we should crush them before they get the A bomb? Becuase they are
certainly never going to voluntarily quit and never would have..
Stick to the SUBJECT, Herbort. The issue was whether they were a
THREAT to us.
The only threat you recognize is the one on your doorstep. Hell, asshole, I
have no doubt you would be using the same argument about Al Qaeda before
9-11.
Quote: Oh my you discovered before anyone else. Another discovery by the boy
genius
before anyone else discoverd it. Why I bet you knew about that Pakki
scientist that was giving away nuclear secrets before he even gave them
away. Go pat yourself on the back somewhere else.
I have written on this subject extensively. Don't blame me if you
didn't listen until a book showed up from Amazon saying the SAME
THINGS I did.
Sure you have. You are myth.
Quote: Pakistan and India. The history will tell you that is a built in pissing
WRONG.
CHINA and INDIA.
RIGHT. Pakistan was created, out of bunch of provinces that had no common
grounds, for a place for the Moslems to go.
I meant what I SAID. China has propped up Pukistan
as a regional counterweight antagonist/irritant to their only
legitimate regional rival, INDIA.
Yeah like India is planning to invade China. Get real.
China wants India to have a two-
front strategic liability.
Quote: How many billions did the USSR spend on arms to North Vietnam?
What, during OUR WAR?
After we left asshole.
Those billions would not have poured in had we
not INVADED the place.
They were still pouring in after we left and shut off our funds. We quit -
they did not.
Quote: Another stellar example of total ignorance on your part. Even people who
want to negotiate with the slimy bastards recognize them as a threat.
No they don't. They may say they're a threat. They can misattribute
statements to Iran like "wipe Israel off the map," and wtfever they
want, but they cannot change reality. Iran does NOT want a world war
or a massive conflict with the west,
You are clairvoyant now? That is OK because like a lot of folks you like to
fool yourself about what is. I love it when a book on Iran starts with how
complex and complicated they are. That is total bullshit to justify exactly
what you are saying. Go ahead and play the fool.
they are not insane or
irrational.
I guess I am going to have to qoute the Ayatollah to you after all:
" We do not worship Iran, we worship Allah. For patriotism is another name
for paganism. I say let this land burn. I say let this land go up in smoke,
provided Islam emerges triumphant in the rest of the world." Now the
Revolutionary Guard rules Iran. They are fanatics. That is the Ayatollah's
legacy.
Iran is NO THREAT to us other than via proliferation.
They want to become another Safavid empire and rule the middle east. That is
a threat to the west whether you want to recognize it or not.
Even said, they are a FRACTION of the threat in this regard as
Pukistan is, seeing as how they built PRK's bomb for them and have
proliferated to any country that wanted it. Now PRK is continuing the
trend, having sent personnel into Syria of all places to construct a
graphite reactor whose SOLE function was to generate P239. PRK-
Quote: Pakistan->China. This is proliferation.
You are babbling again.
Quote: Iran is the one you should concern yourself with.
You're a fuckin moron. Iran is a JOKE compared to the threat China
poses.
We already owe China too much money. They are not about to invade us.
Quote: No doubt about that. Bunch of fucking nutcases.
Where'd they get their Bomb from? Pukistan. Where'd they get theirs
from? China. ALL ROADS of proliferation trace back to China. THEY
are the threat.
Yeah that is what they said about the USSR and you said they were a joke.
China has a bad Achilles heel. Too many poor peasants and only 10% arable
land. It would be hard for China to launch and feed itself.
I do remember a book written some time ago about China being a large
threat. I am talking about who is a threat in the Middle east not elsewhere.
I like threats. However, I rather doubt China is much of one. After all you
yourself said free markets and capatalism will inevitably win out,
regardless. That leaves only one threat - Islam.
Quote: Everything is irrelevant to you. As you said you previously did not give a
shit about Khobar Towers where 17 American servicemen died.
You are irrelevant.
Our military should not be stationed all over the world like an
occupying force.
Where would you like it stationed? Many of the bases are barely active. It
is part of the strategy. It is called having forward bases where you can use
rapid deployment. Put it here and you cannot effectively intervene anywhere.
Of course you are planning to build a bunker huh and wait for another 9-11
Quote: " A History of Iraq" by Charles Tripp. Cambridge University Press.
Tell it to Madeline Albright.
What the fuck do I care what a pathological lying politician like
Madelaine Jewbright says?
You tell me. She was the one that said what a threat Iraq was.
Quote: How about a small scale one?
Iraq is not small scale.
It sure as hell was not large scale.
Quote: It would take the deaths of MILLIONs to get you off your do nothing butt,
leech. But I do love the way you overstate your case.
No; you cheerlead the deaths of millions without even a bit of
remorse.
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| Herbert Cannon... |
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CHINA and INDIA. I meant what I SAID. China has propped up Pukistan
as a regional counterweight antagonist/irritant to their only
legitimate regional rival, INDIA. China wants India to have a two-
front strategic liability.
Hold the show! Are you trying to say the next big major war will start here
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| Herbert Cannon... |
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"TravIsGod" <travisgod at (no spam) aol.com> wrote in message
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Quote: I'm not going to respond to your post unless you clip your previous
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If you won't then fuck off.
Take a flying you know what at the proverbial rolling doughnut. |
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| Herbert Cannon... |
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"TravIsGod" <travisgod at (no spam) aol.com> wrote in message
news:610be66c-caf3-4906-b6e3-c003af7c3cee at (no spam) g6g2000vbr.googlegroups.com...
Quote: "Sword Song - The Battle for London," by Bernard Cornwell. Good author -
author of "Sharpe's Rifles."
That sum it up for you?
Yes, you are a bloodthirsty maggot who revels in death. I got that.
Nope, you blood sucking, parasitic leech you have not gotten it yet. It is
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