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| sqlain... |
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Dear members of the group!
If you know the examples of blazons or heraldic words used in English
and American belles-lettres literature (fiction), please, kindly give
references, as many as possible! I have already read Shakespeare and
Walter Scott. Thanks in advance! |
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| Turenne... |
| Posted: Mon Sep 28, 2009 12:23 pm |
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Quoting from Heraldica:
Ferdinand de Gramont (1815-1897), a friend of Balzac, helped him
invent coats of arms for the various families of the writer's novels.
They were illustrated and collected in an armory, published by Fernand
Lotte: Armorial de la Comédie Humaine (Paris, Garnier, 1963).
Dumas: The Count of Monte Cristo
aux armes de Monte-Cristo, armes représentant
une montagne d'or, posant sur une mer
d'azur, avec une croix de gueules au chef
Proust: Remembrance of Things Past
non, ce ne sont pas les nôtres, répondit M. De Cambremer. Nous
portons d'or à trois fasces bretèchées et contre- bretèchées de
gueules à cinq pièces, chacune chargée d'un trèfle d'or...
..........and some cool Shakespearian stuff:
http://www.heraldica.org/topics/shakespeare.htm
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| Turenne... |
| Posted: Mon Sep 28, 2009 12:55 pm |
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Lord Peter Wimsey (Dorothy L. Sayers) alludes in one of his books to
the Wimsey arms (from memory) azure, three mice argent 2:1. Motto "As
My Whimsy Takes Me".
Ben Jonson makes several references to heraldry here:
http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=mCV8pVHHlgwC&pg=PA120&lpg=PA120&dq=heraldry+in+literature&source=bl&ots=KcsGobw_BN&sig=caHUMe0W3KlZYUgqYgMCXPwOvt0&hl=en&ei=DTvBSti8EIOsjAe63LAh&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=9#v=onepage&q=heraldry%20in%20literature&f=false
Samuel Pepys:
"Sir W. Warren came himself to the door and left a letter and box for
me, and went his way. His letter mentions his giving me and my wife a
pair of gloves; but, opening the box, we found a pair of plain white
gloves for my hand, and a fair state dish of silver, and cup, with my
arms, ready cut upon them, worth, I believe, about 18l., .........
Richard L |
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| Turenne... |
| Posted: Tue Sep 29, 2009 5:18 am |
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| Joseph McMillan... |
| Posted: Tue Sep 29, 2009 6:55 am |
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On Sep 28, 4:34 pm, sqlain <sql... at (no spam) rambler.ru> wrote:
Quote: Dear members of the group!
If you know the examples of blazons or heraldic words used in English
and American belles-lettres literature (fiction), please, kindly give
references, as many as possible! I have already read Shakespeare and
Walter Scott. Thanks in advance!
Are you including poetry? This is from Henry Wadsworth Longfellow's
"The Wayside Inn:"
From Longfellow's "The Wayside Inn" (1862), set in the Howe Tavern in
Sudbury, Mass.:
But first the Landlord will I trace :
Grave in his aspect and attire ;
A man of ancient pedigree,
A Justice of the Peace was he,
Known in all Sudbury as "The Squire."
Proud was he of his name and race,
Of old Sir William and Sir Hugh,
And in the parlor, full in view,
His coat-of-arms, well framed and glazed,
Upon the wall in colors blazed ;
He beareth gules upon his shield,
A chevron argent in the field,
With three wolfs heads, and for the crest
A Wyvern part-per-pale addressed
Upon a helmet barred; below
The scroll reads, "By the name of Howe."
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| Turenne... |
| Posted: Tue Sep 29, 2009 8:15 am |
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Joseph McMillan wrote:
Quote: Upon a helmet barred; below
The scroll reads, "By the name of Howe."
I wonder why "The Squire." had a peers' helmet?
Richard L |
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| Jarry... |
| Posted: Tue Sep 29, 2009 8:33 am |
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My favourite quote is from Gray's Elergy:
"The boast of heraldry, the pomp of power,
"And all that beauty, all that wealth e'er gave,
"Awaits alike th' inevitable hour:-
"The paths of glory lead but to the grave.
Not quite heraldic terminology, but a mention none-the-less.
Jarry |
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| GFL... |
| Posted: Tue Sep 29, 2009 9:22 am |
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On Sep 29, 12:33 pm, Jarry <harryandja... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote:
Quote: My favourite quote is from Gray's Elergy:
"The boast of heraldry, the pomp of power,
"And all that beauty, all that wealth e'er gave,
"Awaits alike th' inevitable hour:-
"The paths of glory lead but to the grave.
Not quite heraldic terminology, but a mention none-the-less.
Jarry
The following is in Polish but is available in translation. The Nobel
Laureate Henryk Sienkiewicz in his trilogy "With Fire and Sword", "The
Deluge" and "Lord Wolodyjowski" covers a swath of mid 17th century
history dealing with Polish wars - the Cossack Rebellion, Swedish
invasion and war with Turkey. His works follow the role of both
historical and fictional nobles in these matters and he identifies the
arms of dozens of indiviuals (some real arms and some fictional). The
same is true of his book "The Teutonic Knights". I understand that it
was his interest in heraldry that inspired him to write his trilogy.
Another Polish writer who intersperses heraldic references in his
works is Witold Gombrowicz (Transatlantic) a self-referential work in
which he struggles with heroism and anachronism in his own noble
heritage.
But the most direct reference would be the "Poczet herbow - Roll of
Arms" (1696) an armorial of sorts but really collection of baroque
poems each devoted to a different coat of arms referencing a variety
of things such as war cry, charges, blason, legendary origin, etc.
http://www.pbi.edu.pl/book_reader.php?p=41492
I don't think it has ever been translated into English. |
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| David Cameron Staples... |
| Posted: Tue Sep 29, 2009 6:06 pm |
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in Mon, 28 Sep 2009 13:34:00 -0700, sqlain in hic loco scripsit:
Quote: Dear members of the group!
If you know the examples of blazons or heraldic words used in English
and American belles-lettres literature (fiction), please, kindly give
references, as many as possible! I have already read Shakespeare and
Walter Scott. Thanks in advance!
How far back do you want to go?
Sir Gawain and the Green Knight, f99r
THEN þay schewed hym þe schelde, þat was of schyr goulez
Then they showed him the shield, which was of sheer (bright and clear)
gules
Wyth þe pentangel depaynt of pure golde hwez.
and was painted with a pentangle of pure gold
It then follows with a description of the symbology of the pentangle.
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| Joseph McMillan... |
| Posted: Wed Sep 30, 2009 7:11 am |
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On Sep 28, 4:34 pm, sqlain <sql... at (no spam) rambler.ru> wrote:
Quote: Dear members of the group!
If you know the examples of blazons or heraldic words used in English
and American belles-lettres literature (fiction), please, kindly give
references, as many as possible! I have already read Shakespeare and
Walter Scott. Thanks in advance!
And one more from Edgar Allen Poe's "The Cask of Amontillado." The
narrator, Montresor, is asked about his family's arms:
======"A huge human foot d’or, in a field azure; the foot crushes a serpent
rampant whose fangs are imbedded in the heel.”
“And the motto?”
“Nemo me impune lacessit.”
=======Joseph McMillan |
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| Turenne... |
| Posted: Wed Sep 30, 2009 10:19 am |
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Joseph McMillan wrote:
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Because "Upon a helmet visored; below" doesn't scan.
Ha Ha! Brilliant answer!
Richard |
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| sqlain... |
| Posted: Thu Oct 01, 2009 12:48 pm |
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On 29 ÓÅÎ, 19:55, Joseph McMillan <mcmillan... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote:
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Are you including poetry? šThis is from Henry Wadsworth Longfellow's
"The Wayside Inn:"
Yes, i want to take examples not only from prose, but poetry and drama
too because of their scattering...Could you please tell me, do you
remember the "home" of all these blazons or put the key words from
heraldry into search engines?
i have tried two corpora - Contemporary American and Contemporary
British but the problem is - they are too contemporary:) Several
pieces of contemporary fantasy contain blazons but not enough. And
when i try search engines with heraldic lexemes they give historical
sources mostly and not belles-lettres.
I am very-very grateful for your help! |
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| sqlain... |
| Posted: Thu Oct 01, 2009 12:57 pm |
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On 29 ÓÅÎ, 21:33, Jarry <harryandja... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote:
Quote: Not quite heraldic terminology, but a mention none-the-less.
Thank you, it gives one more point of view of the concept of heraldry
and it remainds me of Orlando's words in the novel of the same name. |
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| sqlain... |
| Posted: Thu Oct 01, 2009 1:02 pm |
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On 29 ÓÅÎ, 22:22, GFL <georgelu... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote:
Thank you of this mention, i like Henryk Sienkiewicz, unfortunately i
am limited only with British and American literature:( though Canadian
and Australian English examples would be interesting and probably
would go if any. |
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| sqlain... |
| Posted: Thu Oct 01, 2009 1:05 pm |
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On 30 Ñен, 03:06, David Cameron Staples <stap... at (no spam) cs.mu.oz.au..SPAM>
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Quote: How far back do you want to go?
Sir Gawain and the Green Knight, f99r
As far as possible, no chronological limits, Old English is
appreciated, thank you!
I've heard of Chaucer blazons, i will try to find them tomorrow. |
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