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| Jim Janney... |
 Posted: Thu Sep 24, 2009 11:01 am |
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"Bob Wheatley" <master.dancer at (no spam) hughes.net> writes:
Quote: "Ed Jay" <edMbj at (no spam) aes-intl.com> wrote in message
news:lsflb5l0j213nhl6l7tq290tf9j3ssbs05 at (no spam) 4ax.com...
Jim Janney scribed:
Ed Jay <edMbj at (no spam) aes-intl.com> writes:
CountFloyd scribed:
My wife and I are watching the new season, and it seems that it is
lacking "stars". C'mon, Tom DeLay?
That's enough to keep me from watching it. As one reviewer put it today,
they need to rename the show ""Dancing With Disgraced Republican Douche
Bags." :-)
At least this way he can't do any harm. I can think of any number of
people I'd love to see on TV, if it would only get them out of
Congress...
There aren't enough episodes to do your idea justice.
Hmm....
I think somewhere around 535 episodes would do the trick.
Can we start with the Pelosi episode....PLEASE?
Make it 635, let's not forget the Senate. I was thinking more on the
lines of Orrin Hatch, but we all have our favorites :-)
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| Jim Janney... |
| Posted: Thu Sep 24, 2009 3:49 pm |
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Jim Janney <jjanney at (no spam) shell.xmission.com> writes:
Quote: "Bob Wheatley" <master.dancer at (no spam) hughes.net> writes:
"Ed Jay" <edMbj at (no spam) aes-intl.com> wrote in message
news:lsflb5l0j213nhl6l7tq290tf9j3ssbs05 at (no spam) 4ax.com...
Jim Janney scribed:
Ed Jay <edMbj at (no spam) aes-intl.com> writes:
CountFloyd scribed:
My wife and I are watching the new season, and it seems that it is
lacking "stars". C'mon, Tom DeLay?
That's enough to keep me from watching it. As one reviewer put it today,
they need to rename the show ""Dancing With Disgraced Republican Douche
Bags." :-)
At least this way he can't do any harm. I can think of any number of
people I'd love to see on TV, if it would only get them out of
Congress...
There aren't enough episodes to do your idea justice.
Hmm....
I think somewhere around 535 episodes would do the trick.
Can we start with the Pelosi episode....PLEASE?
Make it 635, let's not forget the Senate. I was thinking more on the
lines of Orrin Hatch, but we all have our favorites 
Oops, 535 *does* include the Senate. I obviously need more caffeine
in the mornings.
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| Bob Wheatley... |
| Posted: Thu Sep 24, 2009 5:10 pm |
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"Jim Janney" <jjanney at (no spam) shell.xmission.com> wrote in message
news:2ppr9gypwl.fsf at (no spam) shell.xmission.com...
Quote: Jim Janney <jjanney at (no spam) shell.xmission.com> writes:
"Bob Wheatley" <master.dancer at (no spam) hughes.net> writes:
"Ed Jay" <edMbj at (no spam) aes-intl.com> wrote in message
news:lsflb5l0j213nhl6l7tq290tf9j3ssbs05 at (no spam) 4ax.com...
Jim Janney scribed:
Ed Jay <edMbj at (no spam) aes-intl.com> writes:
CountFloyd scribed:
My wife and I are watching the new season, and it seems that it is
lacking "stars". C'mon, Tom DeLay?
That's enough to keep me from watching it. As one reviewer put it
today,
they need to rename the show ""Dancing With Disgraced Republican
Douche
Bags." :-)
At least this way he can't do any harm. I can think of any number of
people I'd love to see on TV, if it would only get them out of
Congress...
There aren't enough episodes to do your idea justice.
Hmm....
I think somewhere around 535 episodes would do the trick.
Can we start with the Pelosi episode....PLEASE?
Make it 635, let's not forget the Senate. I was thinking more on the
lines of Orrin Hatch, but we all have our favorites :-)
Oops, 535 *does* include the Senate. I obviously need more caffeine
in the mornings.
That's okay.:>)
But in that number Mr. Hatch would definitely have his own episode. Which
one, I don't care. As long as the whole corrupt lot is gone I'd be happier.
Bob Wheatley |
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| Icono Clast... |
| Posted: Fri Sep 25, 2009 2:08 am |
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On Sep 24, 4:46 am, Icono Clast <ICl... at (no spam) JPS.Net> wrote:
Quote: Whuzzamatta, Bob? Have trouble with San Francisco values
Forgot to mention that we voted to prohibit the sale of guns and
ammunition, and ban the possession of hand guns by residents who
aren't police, security guards or military personnel.
There's currently a proposal to terminate gun shows at the Cow Palace.
Have trouble with San Francisco values, Bob? |
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| Bob Wheatley... |
| Posted: Fri Sep 25, 2009 9:32 am |
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"Icono Clast" <IClast at (no spam) JPS.Net> wrote in message
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On Sep 24, 4:46 am, Icono Clast <ICl... at (no spam) JPS.Net> wrote:
Quote: Whuzzamatta, Bob? Have trouble with San Francisco values
Forgot to mention that we voted to prohibit the sale of guns and
ammunition, and ban the possession of hand guns by residents who
aren't police, security guards or military personnel.
There's currently a proposal to terminate gun shows at the Cow Palace.
Have trouble with San Francisco values, Bob?
One man's trash is another man's treasure......
Enjoy your trash.
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| Victek... |
| Posted: Fri Sep 25, 2009 11:08 am |
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Quote: Whuzzamatta, Bob? Have trouble with San Francisco values
Forgot to mention that we voted to prohibit the sale of guns and
ammunition, and ban the possession of hand guns by residents who
aren't police, security guards or military personnel.
There's currently a proposal to terminate gun shows at the Cow Palace.
Have trouble with San Francisco values, Bob?
One man's trash is another man's treasure......
Enjoy your trash.
Bob Wheatley
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I find it interesting that dancing can produce a life changing experience in
people and foster a sense of community without regard for belief or other
particulars, while politics almost always causes division and antagonism. I
say choose art over politics. |
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| Terry Rippa... |
| Posted: Mon Sep 28, 2009 9:00 am |
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Why I Can't Hate On Delay's Dance Moves
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"Do you love me, now that I can dance?"
–The Contours, 1962
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Well, no.
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Love is hardly the first word that comes to mind when one considers Tom
DeLay, the former House majority leader who threatened judges and
otherwise trampled the constitutional separation of powers during the
Terri Schiavo affair, who once likened the Environmental Protection
Agency to the Gestapo, who said in the wake of the Columbine massacre
that guns have "little or nothing" to do with juvenile violence, who
fought to make this country a fundamentalist Christian theocracy, and
who left Congress in 2006 under scandal clouds and criminal indictment.
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And indeed, very little love is evident in the comments that have
attended DeLay's stint as a contestant on the new season of Dancing With
the Stars, the ABC television competition that pairs professional
hoofers with "stars" who strut, shake and shimmy their way through
various feats of Terpsichore.
Gail Collins of The New York Times compared him to "your crusty Uncle
Fred" who "got drunk at your graduation party and tried to sing "My
Way." And a viewer speculated on an ABC message board that the show
must've invited DeLay only because Bernie Madoff was not available.
But you know what? I can't hate on the guy. I'd love to, but I can't.
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In the first place, DeLay's debut performance last week – he danced to
the old frat party standard, "Wild Thing" – was alarmingly
un-terrible. If, that is, you discount the unfortunate moment where the
camera zeroed in as he gave his backside a rather emphatic wiggle. The
sight of Tom DeLay shaking his booty was profoundly disturbing on so
many levels that I momentarily considered taking an ice cream scoop to
my eyeballs.
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But other than that, he was stunningly not-awful.
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The other reason I can't pile up on DeLay is that it would be the height
of hypocrisy. I have seldom spoken of this in so public a forum, but you
see, your correspondent is one of many Americans afflicted with a
crippling disease.
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I have Rhythm Impairment, compounded by a bad case of Granite Hips. This
is also known as Elaine Benes Syndrome, after the Seinfeld episode where
Julia Louis-Dreyfus' character did a dance that was likened to "a
full-body dry heave set to music." I am to dancing what Roseanne is to
singing and Donald Duck to motivational speeches. I am as graceful as a
refrigerator falling down a flight of stairs.
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Some years ago, I confessed all this while speaking before a room full
of elementary school kids. They responded with the tender compassion
that is unique to children, chanting "Dance! Dance! Dance!" in a
mounting tone of command. A braver man would have at least tried to bust
a move. Me, I waited them out, then went back to my Career Day
presentation. .
So who am I to make fun of Tom DeLay? I couldn't do what he's doing if
you put a gun to a puppy's head, if you promised it would bring world
peace, if you gave me Taraji P. Henson's phone number scribbled on the
back of a billion-dollar bill.
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He is, yes, as forward-thinking as a tyrannosaur – and about as warm
and cuddly. But in shaking his 62-year-old backside before an audience
of millions, Tom DeLay struck a blow for every Elaine Benes that ever
was, one that made you want to stand and shout, "Yes I can!" As one of
the rhythmically impaired, I'm here to tell you: It was a brave and
inspiring sight.
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And I hope to heaven I never see it again.
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Leonard Pitts Jr. is a Miami Herald columnist. His e-mail address is
lpitts at (no spam) miamiherald.com. |
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| SwingCha... |
| Posted: Tue Sep 29, 2009 12:22 am |
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BROADCAST OF SEPTEMBER 28
JOANNA: Jive. Very weak. My score=21, Judges'=20
NATALIE: QuickStep. Tough music, little control but OK dance. : My
score=21, Judges'=21
CHUCK: Tango. Impossible music! He was doing steps, not dancing. My
score=18, Judges'=19
MELISSA: Jive. Too stiff, better towad the end. My score=18,
Judges'=19
MICHAEL: QuickStep. Good music. Horrid camera work that did not allow
us to see the dance, dammit! Weak technique. My score=18, Judges'=20
DEBI: Tango. Good music. He literally carried her! My score=18,
Judges'=??
LOUIS: Jive. Weak Swivel. Unclean kicks. My score=18, Judges'=19
ANN: QuickStep. Fear-filled face. Good frame and leaps. My score=27,
Judges'=??
KELLY: Tango. Poor music. OK dance. My score=24, Judges'=19
KATHY: QuickStep. Wrong and impossible music. Weak dance. My score=18,
Judges'=??
MARK: QuickStep. OK music. Horrid camera work (we were shown a run
head-on, not from the side!). OK dance. My score=21, Judges'=21
MYA: Jive. OK music. Too little Jive. My score=21, Judges'=27
TOM: Tango. Fine 'til fin. My score was 24 but became 21, Judges'=18
DONNY: Jive. OK music. Not bad dance. Bad camera work. My score=21,
Judges'=25
My consistent complaint about this program since its inception is that
the director, on a program about DANCING, prefers to show us the
dancers' faces, the dancers' torsos', the dancers' feet, the dancers'
judges, and dancers' audience while the dancers are DANCING the dances
that are being judged! How'n'ell're we s'posed to have an opinion on
dances that we aren't allowed to see? Obviously that hasn't stopped me
but I'm not confident that my judgements are worth much. |
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| Victek... |
| Posted: Thu Oct 01, 2009 9:45 am |
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Quote: My consistent complaint about this program since its inception is that
the director, on a program about DANCING, prefers to show us the
dancers' faces, the dancers' torsos', the dancers' feet, the dancers'
judges, and dancers' audience while the dancers are DANCING the dances
that are being judged! How'n'ell're we s'posed to have an opinion on
dances that we aren't allowed to see? Obviously that hasn't stopped me
but I'm not confident that my judgements are worth much.
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Yes, this is truly annoying. Why must the producers keep the cameras in
constant motion? Are they worried that the dancing itself is not
sufficiently interesting and in the space of 1 minute 30 seconds everyone
will get bored and change the channel? Are they worried the cameramen will
be bored if they are not constantly moving? SYTYCD is guilty of this too.
It pretty frustrating while watching the audition of a talented dancer to
miss portions while the camera is showing the faces of judges - so
ridiculous...How I love the old Fred Astaire movies where the camera stays
put and you can watch dance from beginning to end without interruption! |
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| SwingCha... |
| Posted: Tue Oct 06, 2009 1:04 am |
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BROADCAST of OCTOBER 5
MARK: Rumba to Samba music. Weak dance. My score=18; Judges'=18
JOANNA: Sammbih to Reggae music. She can't move; awful to watch. My
score=15; Judges'=23
MÝA: Rumba. Music started as NC2S to become C2S. Nice but dull dance.
My score=21; Judges'=27
MELISSA: Sammbih. Good music. Horrid, awful, bad footwork and
placement; off time. My score=15; Judges'=19
LOUIE: Rumba to NC2S music. Nice dance. My score=24; Judges'=21
DEBI: Sammbih. Good music. Just barely not awful. My score=18;
Judges'=17
DONNY: Rumba music OK. He was Leading (what a concept!). Lovely dance.
My score=24; Judges'=21
MICHAEL: Sammbih to difficult music. He was on time. My score=12;
Judges'=14
NATALIE: Rumba to unsuitable semi-ChaCha (Són?) music. Nice dance. My
score=24; Judges'=26
CHUCK: Sammbih music very good. Character of the dance was there but
very poorly executed. My score=18; Judges'=17
AARON: Rumba to what we dance Swing/Hustle/ChaCha. Lovely but dull. My
score=21; Judges'=21
TOM: Samba to bad music. OK dance. My score=24; Judges'=15 (Guess I
overcompensated for the pain.)
KELLY: Good music; good footwork. Nice dance. My score=24; Judges'=20 |
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| Christine Elowitt... |
| Posted: Tue Oct 06, 2009 10:23 am |
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On Sep 23, 12:26 pm, windcrest <passp... at (no spam) windcrestsoftware.com> wrote:
Quote: But the music selections have to improve for me to continue watching
this show. Otherwise I'll just be at my local clubs dancing on Mon/
Tue nights and I'll DVR it but probably not bother watching it.
I have always thought the music choices on this show are nice songs
but completely unsuitable for the dances. But I have to say that the
show hit a new low this season with the use of the Muppet Show theme
song last week. Amazing that Aaron Carter managed to do a good dance
while dressed up like Kermit!
Christine Elowitt |
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| Paul-Andre Panon... |
| Posted: Tue Oct 06, 2009 9:57 pm |
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On Thu, 01 Oct 2009 08:45:23 -0700, Victek wrote:
Quote: Yes, this is truly annoying. Why must the producers keep the cameras in
constant motion? Are they worried that the dancing itself is not
sufficiently interesting and in the space of 1 minute 30 seconds
everyone will get bored and change the channel?
Pretty well, yes. While the technique was used before, ever since the
advent of music videos in the 80s, it's been common to use frequent
changes in camera viewpoints to repetitively trigger an orientation
response. It's now so common that people who have grown up used to it
(the majority of the audience for SYTYCD and probably a good portion of
the same for DWTS) are addicted to the intense focus it triggers and find
boring anything without it. The more you watch TV, the more it happens.
http://www.tvsmarter.com/documents/brainwaves.html |
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| windcrest... |
| Posted: Wed Oct 07, 2009 6:43 am |
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On Oct 6, 3:23 pm, Christine Elowitt <creativediscover... at (no spam) gmail.com>
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Quote: On Sep 23, 12:26 pm, windcrest <passp... at (no spam) windcrestsoftware.com> wrote:
But the music selections have to improve for me to continue watching
this show. Otherwise I'll just be at my local clubs dancing on Mon/
Tue nights and I'll DVR it but probably not bother watching it.
I have always thought the music choices on this show are nice songs
but completely unsuitable for the dances. But I have to say that the
show hit a new low this season with the use of the Muppet Show theme
song last week. Amazing that Aaron Carter managed to do a good dance
while dressed up like Kermit!
Christine Elowitt
Unfortunately that Muppet tune IS a stape quickstep number in the
standard ballroom world, (it's on one of the Casa Musica CD's). The
new low for me was cha cha to "Wild Thing". |
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| SwingCha... |
| Posted: Tue Oct 13, 2009 1:39 am |
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BROADCAST of OCTOBER 12
CHUCK: C2S music good. No C2S QQSS was danced! My score=15; Judges'=17
MELISSA: Charleston music good. Apparently a cute, fun dance with
Charleston character but the director didn't let us see it! [See
“Shoot the Director!”] My score=24; Judges'=28
NATALIE: Bolero difficult to force into NC2S music. Nice dance that
even included some Bolero. My score=24; Judges'=24
AARON: Lambada music? It was a nice dance except for a missed
connection. My score=18; Judges'=18
MARK: C2S music good. Some C2S in dance danced off time. My score=18;
Judges'=22
KELLY: Charleston music good. Smokin' dance sans tricks. THAT's
dancing!!! Brought tears to m'eyes. My score=30; Judges'=23
JOANNA: Lambada music OK. Too many tricks, too little dancing poorly
executed. My score=18; Judges'=26
DONNY: OK Charleston music. Fun dance nicely done. My score=24;
Judges'=24
MICHAEL: Rhythm and tempo wrong for Bolero. Nice dance. My score=18;
Judges'=15
LOUIE: C2S music OK. A great many Slows, very few Quicks, badly
danced. My score=15; Judges'=16
MÝA: OK music. OK dance, what the director let us see of it [See
“Shoot the Director!”]; low fire. My score=24; Judges'=28 |
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| Ed Jay... |
| Posted: Tue Oct 13, 2009 9:47 am |
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From LA Times - 10/13
'Dancing With the Stars' is out of step
The reality show has boosted ABC in the past. But viewership is down this
season.
By Scott Collins
October 13, 2009
Tom DeLay may be a wild thing on the dance floor, but when it comes to
boosting ratings, he seems to have two left feet.
The controversial former Republican congressman was supposed to spice up
this season of "Dancing With the Stars," but it hasn't worked out that
way. In fact, the dance-competition show, a bulwark of ABC's schedule for
more than four years, is shambling through its worst season since it first
premiered in the summer of 2005.
DeLay -- who created a mild sensation during premiere week when he and
partner Cheryl Burke did the cha-cha to "Wild Thing" -- dropped out last
week because of injuries, joining Debi Mazar, who was voted off.
That will leave this season's fate in the hands of such remaining
luminaries as Donny Osmond, Kelly Osbourne and Melissa Joan Hart.
The ratings pose a worry for ABC, which has been helped through some very
difficult times by "Dancing." Last year, when executives brought back
several second-season scripted series that promptly tanked, the ballroom
dance-off helped keep ABC competitive overall -- in fact, the network was
ranked No. 1 among young adults at this point in the season. Now, ABC is
locked in a virtual three-way tie for first with CBS and Fox, and further
declines for the show could spell real trouble. Even though the network
has seen some encouraging signs with new comedy series "Modern Family" and
"The Middle," the unexpected problems for "Dancing" are creating
headaches.
All series suffer viewership erosion over time, of course, and compared
with most prime-time shows, "Dancing" still pulls enviable numbers, with
an average of 17 million viewers, according to the Nielsen Company. But
that's a dip of 13% compared with the same period last year. Among adults
ages 18 to 49, the viewers advertisers care about most, the show has
slipped 19%, to a 3.8 average rating.
During fall 2007 -- crowned with highlights that included Osmond's sister
Marie passing out as the judges critiqued her samba -- "Dancing" leaped to
its most-watched season, averaging 21.7 million viewers. And in fall 2006,
the show high-kicked to a 5.8 rating among young adults. (Those record
figures, however, include DVR viewing up to one week following the initial
broadcast; those statistics are only just starting to roll in for this
season.)
So what happened? Neither executive producer Conrad Green nor an ABC
executive would comment for this story, according to a network
spokeswoman. Privately, ABC officials concede that, the competition,
particularly from Fox's hit medical drama "House," is much stronger this
year.
But many analysts and fans believe the cast -- which hews to "Dancing's"
time-tested formula of faded stars, pro jocks and bizarre wild cards --
simply hasn't gelled this year. The inclusion of DeLay, a fiercely
partisan former House majority leader who left Congress following
indictment on campaign-finance charges in 2005, touched off a flurry of
amused interest from the Beltway commentariat.
Many ordinary viewers, however, probably had no idea who he was. According
to a Diageo/Hotline poll taken in February 2006, 24% of respondents said
they had never heard of DeLay -- and that was at a time when his name was
in the news much more than it is now.
Other cast members, including Osmond and Hart, likewise owe whatever
renown they still possess to achievements years since passed. Hart's
"Sabrina the Teenage Witch" ended its ABC run nearly a decade ago
(although it later ran on the WB).
"This cast probably is not as interesting as the casts they've had in the
past," said Scott Sternberg, a veteran reality producer and "Dancing" fan
who is not affiliated with the show. "You have to connect with one of the
players and root for them."
It also hasn't helped that the cast members have been reasonably
well-behaved, not what viewers usually look for on an unscripted
competition show. During Season 7, Cloris Leachman, then 82 and the show's
oldest contestant, endeared herself to viewers with scandalous antics,
including grabbing the crotch of her partner Corky Ballas during the
mambo.
This season has had few moments that compare. DeLay, known as the Hammer
for his hyper-aggressive manner as a politico, managed only a few mild
gibes, including a joke that despite Burke's direction, he was having a
hard time "going to the left." Last week, Osmond tried to shake off his
wholesome image by taking judge Bruno Tonioli for a spin on the floor and
trading innuendo-laced wisecracks. Viewers were less than charmed.
"This is the worst season ever," a comment on a Times' message board said
last week. "Now I can go to bed early on Monday and Tuesday nights. Thanks
for the extra beauty sleep."
But Andy Donchin, an executive vice president at New York ad firm Carat
USA, warned that it's too early to write off "Dancing."
"It's still an extremely attractive show," he said. "I still have six or
seven clients in it, and I still see it as a premium program. . . . Most
shows show a little bit of a decline in the ratings after awhile."
Sternberg said that "Dancing," like "American Idol," may have reached the
point where it needs some rejiggering -- something beyond, say, hiring an
out-of-work politician. He suggested more taped pieces showing the dancers
rehearsing and giving cohosts Tom Bergeron and Samantha Harris more to do.
"You need to mix up that formula a little bit, freshen things up," he
said.
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