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| Musicman59... |
Posted: Tue Sep 15, 2009 7:06 am |
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got this blurb from the badcataviation email update.........
The F8F Bearcat was designed to be operated from small escort aircraft
carriers and was intended mainly as a replacement for the obsolete FM2
Wildcat. $32.99
I thought the Hellcat replaced the Wildcat and the Bearcat came in
after the war?
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| frank... |
Posted: Tue Sep 15, 2009 7:47 am |
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Tail-end of WWII & it was originally designed to catch
Kamakazes, hence its acceleration & climb performance. As to replacing
the Wildcat or the Hellcat, I dunno.
On Sep 15, 12:06 pm, Musicman59 <cwestbro... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote:
Quote: got this blurb from the badcataviation email update.........
The F8F Bearcat was designed to be operated from small escort aircraft
carriers and was intended mainly as a replacement for the obsolete FM2
Wildcat. $32.99
I thought the Hellcat replaced the Wildcat and the Bearcat came in
after the war?
Craig |
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| eyeball... |
Posted: Tue Sep 15, 2009 9:03 am |
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On Sep 15, 1:06 pm, Musicman59 <cwestbro... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote:
Quote: got this blurb from the badcataviation email update.........
The F8F Bearcat was designed to be operated from small escort aircraft
carriers and was intended mainly as a replacement for the obsolete FM2
Wildcat. $32.99
I thought the Hellcat replaced the Wildcat and the Bearcat came in
after the war?
Craig
I think they got it right. While the Hellcat was the direct follow up
to the Wildcat, they kept the GM-built FM-2s around for the smaller
escort carriers, so the Bearcat was meant to replace them in that
particular mission, as well as just being able to whup-ass in general. |
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| Musicman59... |
Posted: Tue Sep 15, 2009 9:10 am |
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On Sep 15, 12:03 pm, eyeball <eyeball2002... at (no spam) aol.com> wrote:
Quote: On Sep 15, 1:06 pm, Musicman59 <cwestbro... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote:
got this blurb from the badcataviation email update.........
The F8F Bearcat was designed to be operated from small escort aircraft
carriers and was intended mainly as a replacement for the obsolete FM2
Wildcat. $32.99
I thought the Hellcat replaced the Wildcat and the Bearcat came in
after the war?
Craig
I think they got it right. While the Hellcat was the direct follow up
to the Wildcat, they kept the GM-built FM-2s around for the smaller
escort carriers, so the Bearcat was meant to replace them in that
particular mission, as well as just being able to whup-ass in general.
thx for clearing that up - the Bearcat doesn't seem to get much
press..
Craig |
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| Val Kraut... |
Posted: Tue Sep 15, 2009 8:19 pm |
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"I believe the new carriers - Midway, Roosevelt and Coral Sea would have
gotten the Bearcat for the Invasion of Japan. |
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| Matt Wiser... |
Posted: Tue Sep 15, 2009 11:27 pm |
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Actually, VF-19, VBF-19, VF-18, and VBF-18 were all en route to the war zone
when the war ended. First combat for the Bearcat would have been in late
Aug/early Sep '45 if the war hadn't ended when it did.
"Val Kraut" <marvalk at (no spam) optonline.net> wrote in message
news:4ab04b3f$0$5006$607ed4bc at (no spam) cv.net...
Quote:
"I believe the new carriers - Midway, Roosevelt and Coral Sea would have
gotten the Bearcat for the Invasion of Japan.
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| Matt Wiser... |
Posted: Wed Sep 16, 2009 7:19 am |
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On Sep 16, 8:09 am, grey_ghost471-newsgro... at (no spam) yahoo.com (Gray Ghost)
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Quote: "Matt Wiser" <MattWiser... at (no spam) yahoo.com> wrote innews:LJ_rm.36899$u76.2051 at (no spam) newsfe10.iad:
Actually, VF-19, VBF-19, VF-18, and VBF-18 were all en route to the war
zone when the war ended. First combat for the Bearcat would have been in
late Aug/early Sep '45 if the war hadn't ended when it did.
"Val Kraut" <marv... at (no spam) optonline.net> wrote in message
news:4ab04b3f$0$5006$607ed4bc at (no spam) cv.net...
"I believe the new carriers - Midway, Roosevelt and Coral Sea would have
gotten the Bearcat for the Invasion of Japan.
VBF? I thought the whole point of the Bearcat was as a point defense
interceptor against kamikazes? Largest possible engine in the smallest
possible airframe. Seems to me that is a prescription for going really fast.
And the 4 x 20mm for wrecking kamikazes (meaning make them crash NOW!) before
they got to close.
--
"Universal" American healthcare coverage, explained:
You get the "care" they approve for you, when they get around to it, if they
think your life is worth saving. And you'll pay for everyone's care, too,
whether or not they've paid in, whether or not they deem you valuable enough
to care for, 'cause they think your money is valuable enough to steal.
All carrier air groups on the big ships had VBF squadrons. And yes,
VBF-18 and -19 were Bearcat equipped, with the F8F-1, which had .50s;
the -2 had the 20-mm. |
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| Matt Wiser... |
Posted: Wed Sep 16, 2009 7:19 am |
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On Sep 16, 6:48 am, Don Stauffer <stauf... at (no spam) usfamily.net> wrote:
Quote: Matt Wiser wrote:
Actually, VF-19, VBF-19, VF-18, and VBF-18 were all en route to the war zone
when the war ended. First combat for the Bearcat would have been in late
Aug/early Sep '45 if the war hadn't ended when it did.
"Val Kraut" <marv... at (no spam) optonline.net> wrote in message
news:4ab04b3f$0$5006$607ed4bc at (no spam) cv.net...
"I believe the new carriers - Midway, Roosevelt and Coral Sea would have
gotten the Bearcat for the Invasion of Japan.
And the Navy would have had a jet in the Pacific soon. A squadron of
Ryan Fireballs was rushed through qualification. The carrier was loaded
with the squadron's planes and just about to embark for the front when
the war ended. The deployment was cancelled because the plane still had
some issues, but it was essentially ready.
That squadron was VF-66. |
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| Don Stauffer... |
Posted: Wed Sep 16, 2009 7:48 am |
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Matt Wiser wrote:
Quote: Actually, VF-19, VBF-19, VF-18, and VBF-18 were all en route to the war zone
when the war ended. First combat for the Bearcat would have been in late
Aug/early Sep '45 if the war hadn't ended when it did.
"Val Kraut" <marvalk at (no spam) optonline.net> wrote in message
news:4ab04b3f$0$5006$607ed4bc at (no spam) cv.net...
"I believe the new carriers - Midway, Roosevelt and Coral Sea would have
gotten the Bearcat for the Invasion of Japan.
And the Navy would have had a jet in the Pacific soon. A squadron of
Ryan Fireballs was rushed through qualification. The carrier was loaded
with the squadron's planes and just about to embark for the front when
the war ended. The deployment was cancelled because the plane still had
some issues, but it was essentially ready. |
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| Gray Ghost... |
Posted: Wed Sep 16, 2009 9:09 am |
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"Matt Wiser" <MattWiser_88 at (no spam) yahoo.com> wrote in
news:LJ_rm.36899$u76.2051 at (no spam) newsfe10.iad:
Quote: Actually, VF-19, VBF-19, VF-18, and VBF-18 were all en route to the war
zone when the war ended. First combat for the Bearcat would have been in
late Aug/early Sep '45 if the war hadn't ended when it did.
"Val Kraut" <marvalk at (no spam) optonline.net> wrote in message
news:4ab04b3f$0$5006$607ed4bc at (no spam) cv.net...
"I believe the new carriers - Midway, Roosevelt and Coral Sea would have
gotten the Bearcat for the Invasion of Japan.
VBF? I thought the whole point of the Bearcat was as a point defense
interceptor against kamikazes? Largest possible engine in the smallest
possible airframe. Seems to me that is a prescription for going really fast.
And the 4 x 20mm for wrecking kamikazes (meaning make them crash NOW!) before
they got to close.
--
"Universal" American healthcare coverage, explained:
You get the "care" they approve for you, when they get around to it, if they
think your life is worth saving. And you'll pay for everyone's care, too,
whether or not they've paid in, whether or not they deem you valuable enough
to care for, 'cause they think your money is valuable enough to steal. |
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| willshak... |
Posted: Wed Sep 16, 2009 12:05 pm |
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on 9/16/2009 9:48 AM (ET) Don Stauffer wrote the following:
Quote: Matt Wiser wrote:
Actually, VF-19, VBF-19, VF-18, and VBF-18 were all en route to the
war zone
when the war ended. First combat for the Bearcat would have been in late
Aug/early Sep '45 if the war hadn't ended when it did.
"Val Kraut" <marvalk at (no spam) optonline.net> wrote in message
news:4ab04b3f$0$5006$607ed4bc at (no spam) cv.net...
"I believe the new carriers - Midway, Roosevelt and Coral Sea would
have
gotten the Bearcat for the Invasion of Japan.
And the Navy would have had a jet in the Pacific soon. A squadron of
Ryan Fireballs was rushed through qualification. The carrier was
loaded with the squadron's planes and just about to embark for the
front when the war ended. The deployment was cancelled because the
plane still had some issues, but it was essentially ready.
I would say it was a partial jet engined aircraft. It had a radial
engine for take off and landing (with propellers), and a jet engine for
high speeds.
The first pure jet to take off and land on a carrier was the McD.
FH-1 Phantom (1) on January 26, 1945.
The first pure jet to see combat as a carrier based aircraft was the
Grumman F9F Panther, which flew during the Korean War.
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Bill
In Hamptonburgh, NY
In the original Orange County. Est. 1683
To email, remove the double zeroes after at (no spam) |
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| Moramarth... |
Posted: Wed Sep 16, 2009 3:58 pm |
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On 16 Sep, 19:05, willshak <wills... at (no spam) 00hvc.rr.com> wrote:
Quote: on 9/16/2009 9:48 AM (ET) Don Stauffer wrote the following:
Matt Wiser wrote:
Actually, VF-19, VBF-19, VF-18, and VBF-18 were all en route to the
war zone
when the war ended. First combat for the Bearcat would have been in late
Aug/early Sep '45 if the war hadn't ended when it did.
"Val Kraut" <marv... at (no spam) optonline.net> wrote in message
news:4ab04b3f$0$5006$607ed4bc at (no spam) cv.net...
"I believe the new carriers - Midway, Roosevelt and Coral Sea would
have
gotten the Bearcat for the Invasion of Japan.
And the Navy would have had a jet in the Pacific soon. A squadron of
Ryan Fireballs was rushed through qualification. The carrier was
loaded with the squadron's planes and just about to embark for the
front when the war ended. The deployment was cancelled because the
plane still had some issues, but it was essentially ready.
I would say it was a partial jet engined aircraft. It had a radial
engine for take off and landing (with propellers), and a jet engine for
high speeds.
The first pure jet to take off and land on a carrier was the McD.
FH-1 Phantom (1) on January 26, 1945.
Steady on, Old Chap, the FH 1 first flew on the date quoted, but
didn't do the carrier thing until July 21, 1946.
Of course, "Winkle" Brown had done the business in a Sea Vampire on
December 4, 1945.
However, the FR 1 Fireball had made an unplanned jet landing on
November 6 1945.
Quote: The first pure jet to see combat as a carrier based aircraft was the
Grumman F9F Panther, which flew during the Korean War.
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Regards,
Bill
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| Bruce Burden... |
Posted: Wed Sep 16, 2009 8:41 pm |
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Don Stauffer <stauffer at (no spam) usfamily.net> wrote:
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: And the Navy would have had a jet in the Pacific soon. A squadron of
: Ryan Fireballs was rushed through qualification.
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I can't call the Fireball a "jet". At best a "jet equipped
aircraft", but there wasn't enough deck and/or catapult to get
a Fireball in the air on jet alone. Well, and have what you
would describe as a "flight". Plummit? Yes. Flight? No.
At least the "Dark Shark" would qualify for "all turbine
powered aircraft", but...
Bruce
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| Enzo Matrix... |
Posted: Wed Sep 16, 2009 10:53 pm |
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Gray Ghost wrote:
Quote: "Matt Wiser" <MattWiser_88 at (no spam) yahoo.com> wrote in
news:LJ_rm.36899$u76.2051 at (no spam) newsfe10.iad:
Actually, VF-19, VBF-19, VF-18, and VBF-18 were all en route to the
war zone when the war ended. First combat for the Bearcat would have
been in late Aug/early Sep '45 if the war hadn't ended when it did.
"Val Kraut" <marvalk at (no spam) optonline.net> wrote in message
news:4ab04b3f$0$5006$607ed4bc at (no spam) cv.net...
"I believe the new carriers - Midway, Roosevelt and Coral Sea would
have gotten the Bearcat for the Invasion of Japan.
VBF? I thought the whole point of the Bearcat was as a point defense
interceptor against kamikazes? Largest possible engine in the smallest
possible airframe. Seems to me that is a prescription for going
really fast. And the 4 x 20mm for wrecking kamikazes (meaning make
them crash NOW!) before they got to close.
The whole VF / VBF thing was purely administrative. Carrier fighter
squadrons had become so large (seventy or more pilots) that they were
impossible to handle from an adminsitrative point of view. They were
therefore split into two units, each with their own command and
administrative staff. Although the VBF section was nominally tasked with
ground support missions, if needed, a lot of the time the VBF section was
engaged in pure fighter ops. In a couple of cases the VBF section had more
kills than their VF twin.
--
Enzo
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| tomcervo... |
Posted: Thu Sep 17, 2009 2:00 pm |
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On Sep 17, 12:53 am, "Enzo Matrix" <enz... at (no spam) hotmail.com> wrote:
Quote: Gray Ghost wrote:
"Matt Wiser" <MattWiser... at (no spam) yahoo.com> wrote in
news:LJ_rm.36899$u76.2051 at (no spam) newsfe10.iad:
Actually, VF-19, VBF-19, VF-18, and VBF-18 were all en route to the
war zone when the war ended. First combat for the Bearcat would have
been in late Aug/early Sep '45 if the war hadn't ended when it did.
"Val Kraut" <marv... at (no spam) optonline.net> wrote in message
news:4ab04b3f$0$5006$607ed4bc at (no spam) cv.net...
"I believe the new carriers - Midway, Roosevelt and Coral Sea would
have gotten the Bearcat for the Invasion of Japan.
VBF? I thought the whole point of the Bearcat was as a point defense
interceptor against kamikazes? Largest possible engine in the smallest
possible airframe. Seems to me that is a prescription for going
really fast. And the 4 x 20mm for wrecking kamikazes (meaning make
them crash NOW!) before they got to close.
The whole VF / VBF thing was purely administrative. Carrier fighter
squadrons had become so large (seventy or more pilots) that they were
impossible to handle from an adminsitrative point of view. They were
therefore split into two units, each with their own command and
administrative staff. Although the VBF section was nominally tasked with
ground support missions, if needed, a lot of the time the VBF section was
engaged in pure fighter ops. In a couple of cases the VBF section had more
kills than their VF twin.
It was sometimes looser than that. The planes were assigned to a
squadron but flown interchangably; pilots in a flight flew together
because they trained together, but packages often comprised flights
from both units. The F4U-1C's with 20mm cannons assigned to VB-85 were
flown mainly by VBF-85 on tactical missions because the 20mm's froze
up at higher altitudes.
More here--terrific website:
vbf-85.com |
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