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| Roger T.... |
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| Steve Caple... |
| Posted: Mon Sep 07, 2009 11:48 pm |
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On Mon, 7 Sep 2009 20:48:57 -0700, Roger T. wrote:
Quote: Romans were beginners.
They did conquer the English.
We don't talk about that. 
Or losing to a bunch of pissed off colonials, eh?
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| Roger T.... |
| Posted: Tue Sep 08, 2009 12:45 am |
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Quote: Or losing to a bunch of pissed off colonials, eh?
A bunch of pissed off colonials supported by German mercenaries, the French
navy, the French at the time being the greater threat to the security of the
UK, and whose own navy was made up mostly of (smart) deserters from the
Royal Navy. They also beat the crap out of the British ground forces but
forces from Canada did burn down the White House in retaliation for the
sacking of York, now known as Toronto.
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| LD... |
| Posted: Tue Sep 08, 2009 2:04 am |
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"Roger T." <rogertra at (no spam) highspeedplus.com> wrote in message
news:vLudnRRpVP7oTjjXnZ2dnUVZ_sednZ2d at (no spam) islandhosting.com...
Quote: Romans were beginners.
They did conquer the English.
We don't talk about that.
Then, of course, there was the wall ... |
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| Wolf K... |
| Posted: Tue Sep 08, 2009 7:30 am |
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LD wrote:
Quote: "Roger T." <rogertra at (no spam) highspeedplus.com> wrote in message
news:dYqdndkQA4SoVDjXnZ2dnUVZ_t2dnZ2d at (no spam) islandhosting.com...
Interesting: you castigate us (what you term the "USa") for military
excesses around the globe, yet you fawn over Rome ...
Roman Empire? Pah! At it's peak, the British Empire was the largest
ever Empire both in actual land area under control and as a percentage
of the known world area. Not politically correct to tout UK history,
both outside and inside the UK.
Romans were beginners.
They did conquer the English.
Nope, the Britons, who adopted/adapted Roman culture, and were in turn
conquered by the English.
HTH
wolf k. |
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| Steve Caple... |
| Posted: Tue Sep 08, 2009 11:38 am |
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On Mon, 7 Sep 2009 23:45:53 -0700, Roger T. wrote:
Quote: A bunch of pissed off colonials supported by German mercenaries, the French
Uh, I do believe the Crown brought Hessian mercenaries hired from one of
hte King's cousins. Many of them later did desert, not surprising given
the general quality of the titled and monied and talentless appointed to
lead them. Many more stayed on after collapse of the Brit effort, not
surprisingly unwilling to go back to a princeling who had rented them out
to such incompeent twits and would probably do so again, and simultaneously
attracted to a new land where they could escape rigid social heirarchy,
despite the best efforts of Alexander Hamilton and his cronies.
Quote: navy, the French at the time being the greater threat to the security of the
UK, and whose own navy was made up mostly of (smart) deserters from the
Royal Navy. They also beat the crap out of the British ground forces but
forces from Canada did burn down the White House in retaliation for the
sacking of York, now known as Toronto.
Well, jumping to your last bit, you're confusing the Revolutonary War with
the War of 1812, though continuation of the same it may with some
justification be seen. And your Royal Navy (whose traditions, according to
one W. Spencer Churchill were "rum, sodomy, and the lash" - or was that
Brit "Public" schools he meant? Or the same as no difference?) was
impressing American seamen they claimed were deserters from various Capt.
Blighs during that self-same War of 1812. Oh yes - that is the war in
which another pompous twit, lost, and unaware the war had been ended by
treaty, had his ass handed to him by that later racist "Indian fighter"
Andrew Jackson and a motley crew of troops and civilians and pirates.
Classic "hey diddle diddle, right up the middle" if ever there was, on the
part of Gen'l John Keane, who desite his name was definitely not the
sharpest knife in the drawer.
Back to the Revolution, we did beat the crap out the British army at
Saratoga, thanks in large part to Benedict Arnold, who was probably made
more susceptible to treason after the pompous twit Horation Gates, in
nominal command, stole the credit from him. You might also look at the
history of Nathanael Greene who ran British forces ragged chasing after him
in the South, leading to their eventual collapse at Yorktown (with
assistance of the French Navy, it is true, preventing their running away to
sea). Greene, along with Henry Knox, was emblematic of the best American
revolutionary generals - largely self-educated, and never rich enough to
have purchased anytning more than a lieutenancy in the Royal Army had they
been so inclined, and certainly disqualified from even that on grounds of
not being stupid enough.
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| Klaus D. Mikkelsen... |
| Posted: Tue Sep 08, 2009 12:02 pm |
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Steve Caple skriver:
Quote:
On Mon, 7 Sep 2009 23:45:53 -0700, Roger T. wrote:
A bunch of pissed off colonials supported by German mercenaries, the French
Uh, I do believe the Crown brought Hessian mercenaries hired from one of
Oh, I love this group. A thread more than 5 or 6 messages deep allways
ends in crap....
Klaus
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| David Nebenzahl... |
| Posted: Tue Sep 08, 2009 12:37 pm |
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On 9/8/2009 11:02 AM Klaus D. Mikkelsen spake thus:
Quote: Steve Caple skriver:
On Mon, 7 Sep 2009 23:45:53 -0700, Roger T. wrote:
A bunch of pissed off colonials supported by German mercenaries, the French
Uh, I do believe the Crown brought Hessian mercenaries hired from one of
Oh, I love this group. A thread more than 5 or 6 messages deep allways
ends in crap....
So you're disputing what Steve wrote about mercenaries?
Hell, *everyone* used mercenaries. Outsourcing goes back to waaaaay
before Hannibal.
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| Greg.Procter... |
| Posted: Tue Sep 08, 2009 3:22 pm |
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On Tue, 08 Sep 2009 15:05:06 +1200, Roger T. <rogertra at (no spam) highspeedplus.com>
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Quote: Interesting: you castigate us (what you term the "USa") for military
excesses around the globe, yet you fawn over Rome ...
Roman Empire? Pah! At it's peak, the British Empire was the largest
ever
Empire both in actual land area under control and as a percentage of the
known world area. Not politically correct to tout UK history, both
outside
and inside the UK.
Romans were beginners.
They held more than 50% of the known world, Britain somewhere about 25-33%.
The Brits even went with the Romans wheel spacing for railway gauge!
Regards,
Greg.P. |
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| Greg.Procter... |
| Posted: Tue Sep 08, 2009 3:24 pm |
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On Wed, 09 Sep 2009 06:02:35 +1200, Klaus D. Mikkelsen
<Er.du.saa.klog at (no spam) du.kan.finde.den> wrote:
Quote: Steve Caple skriver:
On Mon, 7 Sep 2009 23:45:53 -0700, Roger T. wrote:
A bunch of pissed off colonials supported by German mercenaries, the
French
Uh, I do believe the Crown brought Hessian mercenaries hired from one of
Oh, I love this group. A thread more than 5 or 6 messages deep allways
ends in crap....
Klaus
Good thing you brought your shovel!
Regards,
Greg.P. |
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| Greg.Procter... |
| Posted: Tue Sep 08, 2009 3:26 pm |
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On Wed, 09 Sep 2009 01:30:14 +1200, Wolf K <wekirch at (no spam) sympatico.ca> wrote:
Quote: LD wrote:
"Roger T." <rogertra at (no spam) highspeedplus.com> wrote in message
news:dYqdndkQA4SoVDjXnZ2dnUVZ_t2dnZ2d at (no spam) islandhosting.com...
Interesting: you castigate us (what you term the "USa") for military
excesses around the globe, yet you fawn over Rome ...
Roman Empire? Pah! At it's peak, the British Empire was the largest
ever Empire both in actual land area under control and as a percentage
of the known world area. Not politically correct to tout UK history,
both outside and inside the UK.
Romans were beginners.
They did conquer the English.
Nope, the Britons, who adopted/adapted Roman culture, and were in turn
conquered by the English.
HTH
wolf k.
"Engels" being a corruption of "Angles".
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| David Nebenzahl... |
| Posted: Tue Sep 08, 2009 4:43 pm |
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On 9/8/2009 2:29 PM Greg.Procter spake thus:
Quote: On Tue, 08 Sep 2009 15:33:07 +1200, LD <lobby.dosser at (no spam) verizon.net> wrote:
"Greg.Procter" <procter at (no spam) ihug.co.nz> wrote in message
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BTW it's of Latin origin - you know, Rome, the greatest miltary ever.
Until Mussolini ...
The man who got Italian railways to run on time and reliable passenger
trains throughout the country! You yanks could do with a man like him!
That "Mussolini made the trains run on time" business is a myth that's
been thoroughly debunked:
http://www.snopes.com/history/govern/trains.asp
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| Roger T.... |
| Posted: Tue Sep 08, 2009 9:09 pm |
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+> Back to the Revolution, we did beat the crap out the British army at
Quote: Saratoga, thanks in large part to Benedict Arnold, who was probably made
more susceptible to treason after the pompous twit Horation Gates, in
nominal command, stole the credit from him. You might also look at the
history of Nathanael Greene who ran British forces ragged chasing after
him
in the South, leading to their eventual collapse at Yorktown (with
assistance of the French Navy, it is true, preventing their running away
to
sea). Greene, along with Henry Knox, was emblematic of the best American
revolutionary generals - largely self-educated, and never rich enough to
have purchased anytning more than a lieutenancy in the Royal Army had they
been so inclined, and certainly disqualified from even that on grounds of
not being stupid enough.
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| Roger T.... |
| Posted: Tue Sep 08, 2009 9:20 pm |
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In my original post I did say that the Brit army was well and truly beaten.
Can't deny that.
Part of the reason is, of course, was that in the UK army officers purchased
their rank so that many, many senior officers were somewhat incompetent. In
many cases brave enough but incompetent.
In Royal Navy on the other hand officers were promoted through ability but
"influence" with an admiral also helped with your promotion. Once and
office reached the rank of "captain", the rise to flag rank was automatic
if you lived long enough. Of course, some notable action would speed up the
promotion through captain to admiral. This is how Nelson, for example,
rapidly rose through the officer ranks to rear admiral.
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| Roger T.... |
| Posted: Tue Sep 08, 2009 10:40 pm |
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Quote: They held more than 50% of the known world, Britain somewhere about
25-33%.
Not true.
Quote: The Brits even went with the Romans wheel spacing for railway gauge!
Not proven. Bit of a myth actually. That and the rear ends of two horses.
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