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| Fred Schnitzius |
 Posted: Wed Sep 15, 2004 6:51 pm |
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Quote: What if we can not follow the
"Guidelines" MSNTV will only let me
place .....replys on the top : )
The Dirt Weasel
"JEEP..........It's whats fer'
Dinner".....".Here Jeeper Jeeper "
not so, weasel.....as you can see, i am using MSNTV and posting below
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| Paul Fundling |
| Posted: Wed Sep 15, 2004 7:37 pm |
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Ditto Fred. Webtv is owned by MSN and I have no trouble with my
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| Chris Barnes |
| Posted: Thu Sep 16, 2004 3:10 pm |
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Ed Stasiak <estasiak@att.net> wrote:
Quote: A: Because it disturbs the logical flow of the message.
Q: Why is top posting frowned upon?
(repeat of a post I made about a week ago)
I've had people over the years ask "why?", especially in light of the
fact that some programs, most notably Microsoft Outlook and Outlook
Express "want" you to do just the opposite. Being that this IS a
reasonable question, I will endeavor to go into that answer from my
point of view.
First of all, let it be known that I use Outlook Express myself, so I'm
not asking anyone to do something I don't do myself....
But to the real answer:
Quite honestly, in email 1:1 (ie, between just you and 1 other person),
it's totally irrelevant what method is used. Even in group discussions,
it wouldn't be an issue if one method or the other was used exclusively.
The problem occurs when both methods are used as it inevitably leads to
mis-attribution of quoted text (eg. "I didn't say that, JimBob said
that").
It is in fact, the #1 cause of mis-attribution.
So to avoid these problems, one method or the other must be picked and
the only question is "which one?". There are 2 main reasons for us
arbitrarily picking (if we have reasons, is it arbitrary?) for picking
"quote at the top" over "quote below":
1) Item #4 of the posting guidelines says:
"All excess quoted material removed. At a minimum, this should
include the previous person's signature block. A good rule of
thumb is that your comments should have at least, and preferably
more, lines than you quoted."
There are a couple of reasons for this rule in and of itself - reduction
in bandwidth, less likelihood of exceeding INBOX quotas, and reduced
disk space requirements for the archives (yes, every message is saved in
the archives). As a general rule, you should have more text written by
you than you have quoted above - if you don't, you should evaluate what
it is that you have to say.
By having to scroll past the quoted text ("quote at the top"), the user
is given an greater opportunity to delete that un-needed portions of
quoted text. In fact, if you look at the posts where "quote below" is
used, it is virtually unheard of for them to remove any quoted text at
all.
2) "Quote above" allows for a reply on a point-by-point basis; this is
impossible with "quote below". As we know, some posts can be relatively
long and make multiple points (or ask multiple questions). It is
observed that unless you do a point-by-point, some of the points (or
questions) are completely ignored.
Does this help?
+ + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + +
Chris Barnes AOL IM: CNBarnes
chris@txbarnes.com (also MSN IM) Yahoo IM: chrisnbarnes |
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| Bill VH |
| Posted: Sat Sep 18, 2004 8:11 am |
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In article <011801c49c25$46d60290$65795ba5@physics.tamu.edu>, Chris Barnes
<chris@txbarnes.com> writes:
Quote: By having to scroll past the quoted text ("quote at the top"), the user
is given an greater opportunity to delete that un-needed portions of
quoted text. In fact, if you look at the posts where "quote below" is
used, it is virtually unheard of for them to remove any quoted text at
all.
When I was subscribed to several anthropological and/or archaeological
groups even "quote at the top" program became a PIA at times. Those,
BTW, were unmoderated groups. Having to spend 10-15 seconds to scroll
down every word posted on a thread in the last two weeks was a trial.
However ! I much prefered that to starting to wonder "What the hell is this
guy on about.
What happens when you get only the quote attribute and no message ?
Bill Van Houten (USA Ret)
Thermopylae had it's messenger of defeat, COME AND GET THEM !
The Alamo had none. |
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