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John...
Posted: Wed Jul 08, 2009 10:38 am
Guest
Hi

Any advice on roughly how much money we'd need to spend to get "good
quality" video results that we could post on the web? (Sorry I am a
total newbie at video...)

£100? £200?

We would be hosting it either on YouTube or similar albeit in the best
resolution that they can deliver, so there is obviously no need for
high resolution. In fact we should probably shoot in the final
resolution i.e. "720p" (or "352p")?

Thanks


Ship
Shiperton Henethe

P.S. Also if you have any particular recommendations of model or
review sites, that would be much appreciated!
 
John...
Posted: Wed Jul 08, 2009 12:01 pm
Guest
On Jul 8, 9:38 pm, John <auctionai... at (no spam) googlemail.com> wrote:
Quote:
Hi

Any advice on roughly how much money we'd need to spend to get "good
quality" video results that we could post on the web? (Sorry I am a
total newbie at video...)

£100? £200?

We would be hosting it either on YouTube or similar albeit in the best
resolution that they can deliver, so there is obviously no need for
high resolution. In fact we should probably shoot in the final
resolution i.e. "720p" (or "352p")?

Thanks

Ship
Shiperton Henethe

P.S. Also if you have any particular recommendations of model or
review sites, that would be much appreciated!

From my research the Panasonic SDR-S26 looks quite promising (about
£181) but no sign of an external microphone hole. ??
http://www.panasonic.co.uk/html/en_GB/Products/Camcorders/SD+Camcorders/SDR-S26/Specification/1974018/index.html?trackInfo=true

The Samsung VP-MX20 also looks quite promising (£132) but again no
sign of any way of connecting an external microphone.
http://www.samsung.com/uk/consumer/detail/spec.do?group=cameracamcorder&type=camcorder&subtype=flashcamcorder&model_cd=VP-MX20/XEU&fullspec=F

Gads - don't most camcorder even allow external microphones?
 
Mike Kujbida...
Posted: Wed Jul 08, 2009 4:05 pm
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John wrote:
Quote:
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Gads - don't most camcorder even allow external microphones?


I have no idea why (manufacturers are cheaping out?) but it's becoming
extremely difficult to find an inexpensive camcorder with an external
mic jack these days :-(

Mike
 
Richard Crowley...
Posted: Wed Jul 08, 2009 4:29 pm
Guest
"Mike Kujbida" wrote ...
Quote:
John wrote:
Gads - don't most camcorder even allow external microphones?

I have no idea why (manufacturers are cheaping out?) but it's becoming
extremely difficult to find an inexpensive camcorder with an external mic
jack these days Sad

It was ALWAYS difficult to find an *inexpensive* camcorder
with a mic input connector. Dosen't seem significantly easier
or harder these days than it ever was.
 
Richard Crowley...
Posted: Wed Jul 08, 2009 11:59 pm
Guest
John wrote:
Quote:
Gads - don't most camcorder even allow external
microphones?

You haven't established a need for audio of any kind.
We really can't read your mind. Certainly not at this
distance.
 
Richard Crowley...
Posted: Thu Jul 09, 2009 12:01 am
Guest
John wrote:
Quote:
Any advice on roughly how much money we'd need to spend to
get "good quality" video results that we could post on the web?
(Sorry I am a total newbie at video...)

Any attempt to answer your question would be completely
irresponsible as we have not the slightest clue what, when,
how, where or why you are shooting "video"?????

For some kinds of things, you might get away with a very cheap
"webcam" or even a "still" camera. And to achive "good quality"
video in other cases may require high-end broadcast-quality gear
in the hands of experienced professionals.

But since we know absolutely nothing about what you are
wanting to do, there are too many questions to even begin
trying to post them here.
 
John...
Posted: Thu Jul 09, 2009 2:01 am
Guest
On Jul 9, 7:01 am, "Richard Crowley" <rcrow... at (no spam) xp7rt.net> wrote:
Quote:
John wrote:
Any advice on roughly how much money we'd need to spend to
get "good quality" video results that we could post on the web?
(Sorry I am a total newbie at video...)

Any attempt to answer your question would be completely
irresponsible as we have not the slightest clue what, when,
how, where or why you are shooting "video"?????

For some kinds of things, you might get away with a very cheap
"webcam" or even a "still" camera. And to achive "good quality"
video in other cases may require high-end broadcast-quality gear
in the hands of experienced professionals.

But since we know absolutely nothing about what you are
wanting to do, there are too many questions to even begin
trying to post them here.

I find your comments slightly surprising, but well if you need more
details they are as follows:

I am a 'PC literate' but am a total newbie at this video stuff...
Here is the background of what we are trying to achieve:

My client is an e-commerce website, and because the site uses a rather
quirky selling mechanism, we are trying to create a video to put on
the website that explains how the site actually works.

We are planning some talking heads. Probably both indoors and
outdoors. We will probably also use some screen capturing stuff too
later on.

Regarding picture quality, because it will be hosted on the web
(possibly via youtube.com [or similar]) there is obviously no need for
ultra high resolution video picture. Basically we want the video to
look 'competant' - i.e. 'good quality'. But on the other hand we
definitely do NOT want it to look like it came out of a professional
studio - just competant that's all !

We have almost zero budget for this project, but I have been given a
Samsung Sports Camcorder (VP-X220L), which has 2GB of internal memory
but is a couple of years old now.

From our initial experiments but it seems clear for most people to
look good, you dont want to got too wide angle on the person you are
shooting, but that if the camcorder is not physically close enough to
the person then the quality of sound suffers a lot. Thus it seems like
we'll need an external mike in order to get half decent sound.

To recap, what we are trying to create is a video, that will be hosted
on the web (possibly youtube). The video needs to appears to be
amateur but "very good quality" amateur.

It has been suggested that we buy a separate sound recording device
and match up the sound with the video later (e.g. a little Olympus
voice recorder). This seems like it will be a pain to synchronise the
sound with the moving pictures, but if necessary I suppose we might
have to go this way. (Cheaper than buying a entire new camcorder I
strongly suspect!)

Is that any clearer?
 
Trev...
Posted: Thu Jul 09, 2009 6:24 am
Guest
John wrote:
Quote:
On Jul 9, 7:01 am, "Richard Crowley" <rcrow... at (no spam) xp7rt.net> wrote:
John wrote:
Any advice on roughly how much money we'd need to spend to
get "good quality" video results that we could post on the web?
(Sorry I am a total newbie at video...)

Any attempt to answer your question would be completely
irresponsible as we have not the slightest clue what, when,
how, where or why you are shooting "video"?????

For some kinds of things, you might get away with a very cheap
"webcam" or even a "still" camera. And to achive "good quality"
video in other cases may require high-end broadcast-quality gear
in the hands of experienced professionals.

But since we know absolutely nothing about what you are
wanting to do, there are too many questions to even begin
trying to post them here.

I find your comments slightly surprising, but well if you need more
details they are as follows:

I am a 'PC literate' but am a total newbie at this video stuff...
Here is the background of what we are trying to achieve:

My client is an e-commerce website, and because the site uses a rather
quirky selling mechanism, we are trying to create a video to put on
the website that explains how the site actually works.

We are planning some talking heads. Probably both indoors and
outdoors. We will probably also use some screen capturing stuff too
later on.

Regarding picture quality, because it will be hosted on the web
(possibly via youtube.com [or similar]) there is obviously no need for
ultra high resolution video picture. Basically we want the video to
look 'competant' - i.e. 'good quality'. But on the other hand we
definitely do NOT want it to look like it came out of a professional
studio - just competant that's all !

We have almost zero budget for this project, but I have been given a
Samsung Sports Camcorder (VP-X220L), which has 2GB of internal memory
but is a couple of years old now.

From our initial experiments but it seems clear for most people to
look good, you dont want to got too wide angle on the person you are
shooting, but that if the camcorder is not physically close enough to
the person then the quality of sound suffers a lot. Thus it seems like
we'll need an external mike in order to get half decent sound.

To recap, what we are trying to create is a video, that will be hosted
on the web (possibly youtube). The video needs to appears to be
amateur but "very good quality" amateur.

It has been suggested that we buy a separate sound recording device
and match up the sound with the video later (e.g. a little Olympus
voice recorder). This seems like it will be a pain to synchronise the
sound with the moving pictures, but if necessary I suppose we might
have to go this way. (Cheaper than buying a entire new camcorder I
strongly suspect!)

Is that any clearer?

Post lip sync will be a pain even if you well up on Video and editing so Forget the Separate devise.

The Camcorder you have Is Not very good Quality.
Unless you can Borrow another or borrow someone with one that knows How to use it. Then your going to struggle. And Not all consumer level camcorders can Use an External mic
 
Richard Crowley...
Posted: Thu Jul 09, 2009 7:02 am
Guest
Trev wrote:
Quote:
Post lip sync will be a pain even if you well up on Video
and editing so Forget the Separate devise.

That is the opposite of my experience. Even multi-camera
productions of live music are quite easy to "pull-up" the
video to match the audio track. Especially for short shots
such as the OP is suggesting, using a separate sound recording
seems like an excellent way of working around the problem of
a camera without a mic input. I use that very technique quite
regularly.

Quote:
The Camcorder you have Is Not very good Quality.

But try it with really good lighting before deciding it isn't
good enough for what you need to do.
 
 
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