So I've been learning how to do flipturns this year.  Everything is coming
along well, but I get pool water in my sinuses, which has chlorine in it,
which messes with my sense of smell and just doesn't feel right.

For those of you who do flipturns regularly, do you eventually figure out
the timing and volume of air exhaled out of the nose such that it precludes
the problem, or do you just learn to live with pool water up in your nose?

So I've been learning how to do flipturns this year.  Everything is coming
along well, but I get pool water in my sinuses, which has chlorine in it,
which messes with my sense of smell and just doesn't feel right.

For those of you who do flipturns regularly, do you eventually figure out
the timing and volume of air exhaled out of the nose such that it precludes
the problem, or do you just learn to live with pool water up in your nose?

Thanks,

Jon

On Jun 24, 9:55 pm, "Jon Danniken" <jondanSPAMni... at (no spam) yaSPAMhoo.com
wrote:

So I've been learning how to do flipturns this year. Everything is coming
along well, but I get pool water in my sinuses, which has chlorine in it,
which messes with my sense of smell and just doesn't feel right.

For those of you who do flipturns regularly, do you eventually figure out
the timing and volume of air exhaled out of the nose such that it precludes
the problem, or do you just learn to live with pool water up in your nose?

I don't get water in my nose doing flipturns. I don't even think about
it. I'll pay attention tomorrow, but I think I just maintain positive
air pressure in my nose. I am really not using my nose at all when I
swim.

MW Smith wrote:

Observation completed: I just purse my lips and let the natural
pressure on my lungs during the flip force air out my nose.

Thanks M, I appreciate it.

Jon

Observation completed: I just purse my lips and let the natural
pressure on my lungs during the flip force air out my nose.

On Jun 24, 10:01 pm, MW Smith <clipper.sm... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote:
On Jun 24, 9:55 pm, "Jon Danniken" <jondanSPAMni... at (no spam) yaSPAMhoo.com
wrote:

So I've been learning how to do flipturns this year. Everything is
coming
along well, but I get pool water in my sinuses, which has chlorine in
it,
which messes with my sense of smell and just doesn't feel right.

For those of you who do flipturns regularly, do you eventually figure
out
the timing and volume of air exhaled out of the nose such that it
precludes
the problem, or do you just learn to live with pool water up in your
nose?

I don't get water in my nose doing flipturns. I don't even think about
it. I'll pay attention tomorrow, but I think I just maintain positive
air pressure in my nose. I am really not using my nose at all when I
swim.

Observation completed: I just purse my lips and let the natural
pressure on my lungs during the flip force air out my nose.

You'll get use to it. When I first started I used to get water in my
nose all the time. That was 18 years ago. Now I don't even notice it.
Your body gets used to not getting water all by itself. Same thing
with backstroke. When I started I always got water in my nose. Now I
don't. Just keep doing it. You can try inhaling before the turn and
exhaling after the turn. Eventually you simply won't get any water in
period. It just happens.

Observation completed: I just purse my lips and let the natural
pressure on my lungs during the flip force air out my nose.

MW Smith wrote:

One thing I forgot. I think newbie flip turners don't know to twist
the body on the way through the turn so that by the time the toes hit
the wall the head is right-side up again. I suspect that most newbies
get air in the nose after the flip, after they have stopped blowing
air out the nose, because their head is still upside down or sideways.
The twist during the flip is important to get the head and body right-
side up for the push-off.

Interesting, I have been training with the technique of facing straight up
when the feet are planted, and not twisting until the pushoff.

It follows the way the fellow does it in this video:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KtP8xgzm6do

One thing I forgot. I think newbie flip turners don't know to twist
the body on the way through the turn so that by the time the toes hit
the wall the head is right-side up again. I suspect that most newbies
get air in the nose after the flip, after they have stopped blowing
air out the nose, because their head is still upside down or sideways.
The twist during the flip is important to get the head and body right-
side up for the push-off.

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Observation completed: I just purse my lips and let the natural
pressure on my lungs during the flip force air out my nose.

Same for me. I might also breathe out slightly through my nose, though
I'm sure I don't during normal stroking.

I also try a quick dolphin style kick as my head goes down at the
start of the flip. I think, though I'm not certain, that this could
add to the momentum of the flip (and it seems to me from watching
video clips that top swimmers do something similar). -snip-

On Jun 25, 1:44 pm, "Jon Danniken" <jondanSPAMni... at (no spam) yaSPAMhoo.com
wrote:
MW Smith wrote:

Observation completed: I just purse my lips and let the natural
pressure on my lungs during the flip force air out my nose.

Thanks M, I appreciate it.

Jon

One thing I forgot. I think newbie flip turners don't know to twist
the body on the way through the turn so that by the time the toes hit
the wall the head is right-side up again. I suspect that most newbies
get air in the nose after the flip, after they have stopped blowing
air out the nose, because their head is still upside down or sideways.
The twist during the flip is important to get the head and body right-
side up for the push-off.

Most swimmers of any reasonable level of skill do exactly that, not what
"MW Smith" suggests; except that they push immediately on contact - which
means that the roll happens during the pushoff.

not what "MW Smith" suggests; except that they push immediately on contact -
which means that the roll happens during the pushoff.

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On Jun 25, 1:44 pm, "Jon Danniken" <jondanSPAMni... at (no spam) yaSPAMhoo.com
wrote:
MW Smith wrote:

Observation completed: I just purse my lips and let the natural
pressure on my lungs during the flip force air out my nose.

Thanks M, I appreciate it.

Jon

One thing I forgot. I think newbie flip turners don't know to twist
the body on the way through the turn so that by the time the toes hit
the wall the head is right-side up again. I suspect that most newbies
get air in the nose after the flip, after they have stopped blowing
air out the nose, because their head is still upside down or sideways.
The twist during the flip is important to get the head and body right-
side up for the push-off.

When I teach flip turns initially, I find the idea of any twist off the
wall adds a layer of confusion to the already difficult problem of
figuring out where your body is. My solution is that I have them swim
front crawl into the wall but leave the wall on their backs and swimming
backstroke. I don't have them do anything else until they can do that
well.

I was taught that it's OK to start the twist while your feet are still
on the wall, but also that it's important you flip straight over so that
your feet are pointed straight up - once you get that position, then you
can start your twist however you like - the differences are now too
subtle for the level I teach, and I don't really recall anyone paying
that much attention to them anyway. The big teaching point was that the
fastest flip was straight over without any twist until you had your feet
on the wall, and that point, they basically left it up to the individual
how to twist back into a face down position for front crawl.