The National Forests have received instructions from DC to shut off any
motorized vehicle access except on approved roads. Implementation has
been left up to local offices. To find out what is going on near you,
google 'national forest motor <your forest name>'.

If you can't take an ATV to your kill, it's going to make it a lot
harder to get that elk out before it spoils. This move is really
hostile to hunters.

If you can't take an ATV to your kill, it's going to make it a lot
harder to get that elk out before it spoils. This move is really
hostile to hunters.

On Sun, 21 Jun 2009 20:05:16 -0700, Larry Caldwell
firstnamelastinitial at (no spam) PEAKSKY.COM> wrote:



If you can't take an ATV to your kill, it's going to make it a lot
harder to get that elk out before it spoils. This move is really
hostile to hunters.

Not to all hunters. I think it depends on how you look at it.

To hunters that use ATV's, then yes, it could seem hostile to some of
them, which I assume you count yourself amongst.

Others, me for example, prefer that my "leg work" in getting to a far
off place isn't in vain because someone rode their ATV there. I won't
go so far a distance as to not to be able to retrieve my kill in a
timely manner. We all have limitations, physically, and need to
adjust, especially as we age.

As you say, it will be "a lot" harder for some, but certainly not
impossible. But it will benefit others. You can't please everyone, but
I ask you this, which is easier on the environment, A hunter on foot
or someone on an ATV?

And remember, ATV's are a relatively new machine (30ish years). How
did hunters function without them before that?

In article <j3214510fb6buohgdtvchtvg1b4km9m02r at (no spam) 4ax.com>, Donut at (no spam) DONUT.NET
(Donut) says...
On Sun, 21 Jun 2009 20:05:16 -0700, Larry Caldwell
firstnamelastinitial at (no spam) PEAKSKY.COM> wrote:



If you can't take an ATV to your kill, it's going to make it a lot
harder to get that elk out before it spoils. This move is really
hostile to hunters.

Not to all hunters. I think it depends on how you look at it.

To hunters that use ATV's, then yes, it could seem hostile to some of
them, which I assume you count yourself amongst.

Others, me for example, prefer that my "leg work" in getting to a far
off place isn't in vain because someone rode their ATV there. I won't
go so far a distance as to not to be able to retrieve my kill in a
timely manner. We all have limitations, physically, and need to
adjust, especially as we age.

As you say, it will be "a lot" harder for some, but certainly not
impossible. But it will benefit others. You can't please everyone, but
I ask you this, which is easier on the environment, A hunter on foot
or someone on an ATV?

And remember, ATV's are a relatively new machine (30ish years). How
did hunters function without them before that?

You forget that they have also closed thousands of miles of forest
roads, making millions of acres of national forest functionally off
limits to hunters. They are functionally closing any area not within
half a day's walk of a road to hunting. Even there, getting an elk out
before it spoils would be possible only for the young and physically
fit, while the hunting population continues to age.

On Sun, 21 Jun 2009 20:05:16 -0700, Larry Caldwell
firstnamelastinitial at (no spam) PEAKSKY.COM> wrote:



If you can't take an ATV to your kill, it's going to make it a lot
harder to get that elk out before it spoils. This move is really
hostile to hunters.

Not to all hunters. I think it depends on how you look at it.

To hunters that use ATV's, then yes, it could seem hostile to some of
them, which I assume you count yourself amongst.

Others, me for example, prefer that my "leg work" in getting to a far
off place isn't in vain because someone rode their ATV there. I won't
go so far a distance as to not to be able to retrieve my kill in a
timely manner. We all have limitations, physically, and need to
adjust, especially as we age.

As you say, it will be "a lot" harder for some, but certainly not
impossible. But it will benefit others. You can't please everyone, but
I ask you this, which is easier on the environment, A hunter on foot
or someone on an ATV?

And remember, ATV's are a relatively new machine (30ish years). How
did hunters function without them before that?

Don

Some used various 4-legged critters called horses, mules, donkeys,
and even asses
But the asses were often of the 2-legged type.

At 02:14 PM 6/23/2009, SaPeIsMa wrote:
Some used various 4-legged critters called horses, mules, donkeys,
and even asses
But the asses were often of the 2-legged type.

Back in the days before ATV transportation the average hunters
probably took more 2 week trips rather than the now common 2 day
trips. Most of them were more than happy with the methods of
transportation that they had available to them at the time.

Not sure what your second comment refers to.

I asked two questions before, but will just repeat the second, and ask
one more; ATV's are a relatively new machine (30ish years). How did
hunters function without them before that? And what did hunters do
before those thousands of miles of forest roads were created?

I asked two questions before, but will just repeat the second, and ask
one more; ATV's are a relatively new machine (30ish years). How did
hunters function without them before that? And what did hunters do
before those thousands of miles of forest roads were created?

The DC elitists know very well that, if they
don't allow ATV access they will effectively ban hunting access to
millions of acres.

In article <ka1245dqu7rva16cuitv6udhte0nlnav2h at (no spam) 4ax.com>, Donut at (no spam) DONUT.NET
(Donut) says...

I asked two questions before, but will just repeat the second, and ask
one more; ATV's are a relatively new machine (30ish years). How did
hunters function without them before that? And what did hunters do
before those thousands of miles of forest roads were created?

By your logic, we could do without all sorts of modern inventions, and
go back to hunting with spears and stone points.

Prior to the ATV, hunting remote areas was the private reserve of the
very wealthy. Your average working Joe couldn't afford to own or hire a
pack train and wrangler. The DC elitists know very well that, if they
don't allow ATV access they will effectively ban hunting access to
millions of acres.

In article <MPG.24abc02a6510928298a... at (no spam) news.peaksky.com>,
 Larry Caldwell <firstnamelastinit... at (no spam) PEAKSKY.COM> wrote:





In article <ka1245dqu7rva16cuitv6udhte0nlna... at (no spam) 4ax.com>, Do... at (no spam) DONUT.NET
(Donut) says...

I asked two questions before, but will just repeat the second, and ask
one more; ATV's are a relatively new machine (30ish years). How did
hunters function without them before that? And what did hunters do
before those thousands of miles of forest roads were created?

By your logic, we could do without all sorts of modern inventions, and
go back to hunting with spears and stone points.  

Prior to the ATV, hunting remote areas was the private reserve of the
very wealthy.  Your average working Joe couldn't afford to own or hire a
pack train and wrangler.  The DC elitists know very well that, if they
don't allow ATV access they will effectively ban hunting access to
millions of acres.

actually it keeps the Weekend Warriors, where they belong, next to the
Road Systems, and leaves the locals to use the backcountry. like they
have for generations.... works for "Me".....

Me       one who actually lives, out in the backcountry......