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| prabhur... |
 Posted: Mon Jun 08, 2009 6:29 pm |
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I recollect AWG in a 1998 interview mentioning this incident claiming
that when he picked up the ball, Kalli was setting out for a run and he
(Greigy) had no doubt in his mind that he had a good reason to shy at
the stumps.
The following is a fine capture of the event...Kalli is ambling out
with his head out and he doesnt even look up until the appeal was
made. The limp left hand holding the gloves is further indication that
he didnt have a run in mind. One can even see Julien walking past the
keeper while Greig is in the act of picking the ball.
http://www.cricinfo.com/magazine/content/story/144678.html |
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| jzfredricks... |
| Posted: Mon Jun 08, 2009 6:44 pm |
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On Jun 9, 2:29 pm, prabhur <prabra... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote:
Quote: I recollect AWG in a 1998 interview mentioning this incident claiming
that when he picked up the ball, Kalli was setting out for a run and he
(Greigy) had no doubt in his mind that he had a good reason to shy at
the stumps.
The following is a fine capture of the event...Kalli is ambling out
with his head out and he doesnt even look up until the appeal was
made. The limp left hand holding the gloves is further indication that
he didnt have a run in mind. One can even see Julien walking past the
keeper while Greig is in the act of picking the ball.
http://www.cricinfo.com/magazine/content/story/144678.html
Interesting story.
Do you have further to add, or are you just sharing the link? |
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| jzfredricks... |
| Posted: Tue Jun 09, 2009 5:16 pm |
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On Jun 10, 10:24 am, prabhur <prabra... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote:
Quote: Carelessness in Kalli's part would be the only option in favor of what
Greig did. But I *do* remember that Greig clearly said he felt Kalli
was going for a RUN. That actually made me take AWG's side of the
argument....until I saw those pics.
Try to put yourself in his shoes, and don't look at the keeper. He
probably didn't. He'd done a 180 and was facing cover by the time he
got the ball.
Player are trained to react fast. Get the ball, throw! If Kalli WAS
going for a run (and I agree he wasn't) and Greig had taken the time
to fully assess the situation (ie looking round for some reason to
think the ball was dead) he might have missed a real chance to make a
real run out.
AWG did the correct thing - throw the stumps down, appeal, and let the
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| jzfredricks... |
| Posted: Tue Jun 09, 2009 5:19 pm |
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On Jun 10, 10:47 am, arahim <arahim_ara... at (no spam) hotmail.com> wrote:
Quote: The slip fielders have also turned to go. It would be odd that only
Greg would think that the batsman is taking a run. It would be
interesting to see (if available) a wider shot to see whether some of
the other fielders (who were further away) had begun to leave.
See my previous post. AWG wasn't facing the slips. He was facing mid-
off/cover.
It's hard to make any proper judgement based on the images provided.
Any TV? |
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| jzfredricks... |
| Posted: Tue Jun 09, 2009 7:18 pm |
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On Jun 10, 1:44 pm, "Andrew Dunford" <adunf... at (no spam) artifax.net> wrote:
Quote: whereas umpire Sang Hue really had no
choice but to give Kallicharran out once the appeal had been made.
Indeed. Not sure what the Laws were back then, but today's reading of
Law 23 supports both AWG and the umpire.
That ofc leads us to the Spirit....
At the time, with no time to think, it was probably "just not
cricket". But it all ended well, if you ask me. I don't know what was
said behind closed doors, so no comment on the 'means justifying the
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| Andrew Dunford... |
| Posted: Tue Jun 09, 2009 9:44 pm |
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"jzfredricks" <jzfredricks at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote in message
news:8899480b-f43e-4234-a3ad-35c8d6288541 at (no spam) n19g2000vba.googlegroups.com...
Quote: On Jun 10, 10:24 am, prabhur <prabra... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote:
Carelessness in Kalli's part would be the only option in favor of what
Greig did. But I *do* remember that Greig clearly said he felt Kalli
was going for a RUN. That actually made me take AWG's side of the
argument....until I saw those pics.
Try to put yourself in his shoes, and don't look at the keeper. He
probably didn't. He'd done a 180 and was facing cover by the time he
got the ball.
Player are trained to react fast. Get the ball, throw! If Kalli WAS
going for a run (and I agree he wasn't) and Greig had taken the time
to fully assess the situation (ie looking round for some reason to
think the ball was dead) he might have missed a real chance to make a
real run out.
AWG did the correct thing - throw the stumps down, appeal, and let the
umpires rule.
Maybe. It was within Greig's power (or at least that of his captain
Denness) to withdraw his appeal, whereas umpire Sang Hue really had no
choice but to give Kallicharran out once the appeal had been made. Later it
was also less than ideal that an umpire who had made a correct decision
under the Laws of Cricket was not allowed to uphold that decision despite
wishing to do so.
Although the article says "Everyone assumed that was that for the day ...
except Greig", I fancy I can also see Underwood appealing in frame four, and
celebrating in frame five.
Andrew |
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