OK guys, my tomatoes are still covered with whitefly and their small green
babies that look like minute aphids. My friend, looking at them today, said
she believes they also have spider mites. Her eyesight is better than mine.
The NeemOil did almost nothing nor did the Seven dust or Malathion or
Bug-Be-Gone. I also sprayed the garden with 1 Tbs. Epsom Salt per gallon of
water and if anything, the failed peppers and infested tomatoes look worse
today. Any suggestions to save our crops this year? The squash are too far
gone with millions of white fly and borers. The squash crop will be removed
and burned tomorrow. It's impossible to get the sprays under all the many
thousands of leaves. Suggestions anyone... other than to torch the three
entire gardens.

On Fri, 25 Jul 2008 00:34:05 -0500, "Marie Dodge"
invalid at (no spam) invalid.invalid> wrote:

OK guys, my tomatoes are still covered with whitefly and their small green
babies that look like minute aphids. My friend, looking at them today,
said
she believes they also have spider mites. Her eyesight is better than
mine.
The NeemOil did almost nothing nor did the Seven dust or Malathion or
Bug-Be-Gone. I also sprayed the garden with 1 Tbs. Epsom Salt per gallon
of
water and if anything, the failed peppers and infested tomatoes look worse
today. Any suggestions to save our crops this year? The squash are too
far
gone with millions of white fly and borers. The squash crop will be
removed
and burned tomorrow. It's impossible to get the sprays under all the many
thousands of leaves. Suggestions anyone... other than to torch the three
entire gardens.

Get a different hobby. If you used that many poisons and are still
infested with insects, you are not very good at gardening.

actually planning on eating that food after you used this level of
toxins?

And that idiotic insult is supposed to be helpful? I've been gardening for
years and never had an infestation such as this.

Are you
actually planning on eating that food after you used this level of
toxins?

How do you suggest we rid the garden of this infestation? If you have no
sensible answers why do you bother to reply?

On Fri, 25 Jul 2008 20:28:18 -0500, "Marie Dodge"
invalid at (no spam) invalid.invalid> wrote:

And that idiotic insult is supposed to be helpful? I've been gardening for
years and never had an infestation such as this.

Not idiotic at all. If you used three of the most toxic pesticides on
the market properly and you still have problems with major
infestations you are not a very good gardener. That's not an insult,
it seems to be factual based on what you told us here. If you are
such a great gardener don't you know the reason you are getting
infested with insects? An experienced gardener knows it is a problem
with the soil. Address it and you will have better results. However,
when people say they first went the toxic poison route, it tells me
that person is probably lazy and doesn't want to hear anything other
than what they want to hear.

Are you
actually planning on eating that food after you used this level of
toxins?

How do you suggest we rid the garden of this infestation? If you have no
sensible answers why do you bother to reply?


Because I'm basically sick of people and their abuse of poisons and
killing everything in sight. It's disgusting.

On Sat, 26 Jul 2008 02:47:03 -0500, Charlie wrote:
On Fri, 25 Jul 2008 20:28:18 -0500, "Marie Dodge"
inva... at (no spam) invalid.invalid> wrote:

How do you suggest we rid the garden of this infestation? If you have no
sensible answers why do you bother to reply?

You wanna know what is sensible? Quit fucking poisoning my planet!!!!

You are infesting my garden.... my garden being the earth, the only
home I have and the only home my grandchildren have and idiots like you
are fucking it up.

Why don't you go to the nearest transport and just effing jump off the
earth before you do any more damage. You and the rest of your kind.

You chemicalheads make me want to puke.

Charlie

"For the first time in the history of the world, every human being is
now subjected to contact with dangerous chemicals, from the moment of
conception until death." ~Rachel Carson, Silent Spring, 1962

The interesting thing about this sort of poster is that, not too many
years ago, it was the norm to douse with poisons. I, along with a
handful of others in this newsgroup have been lone soldiers of
organics. Now it seems organics are more the norm. It's truly so
nice to see in my own lifetime. I wish Rachel Carson were still
around to see that at least people are making efforts to stop
poisoning the earth. This is such good news.

On Sat, 26 Jul 2008 02:47:03 -0500, Charlie wrote:

On Fri, 25 Jul 2008 20:28:18 -0500, "Marie Dodge"
invalid at (no spam) invalid.invalid> wrote:


How do you suggest we rid the garden of this infestation? If you have no
sensible answers why do you bother to reply?


You wanna know what is sensible? Quit fucking poisoning my planet!!!!

You are infesting my garden.... my garden being the earth, the only
home I have and the only home my grandchildren have and idiots like you
are fucking it up.

Why don't you go to the nearest transport and just effing jump off the
earth before you do any more damage. You and the rest of your kind.

You chemicalheads make me want to puke.

Charlie

"For the first time in the history of the world, every human being is
now subjected to contact with dangerous chemicals, from the moment of
conception until death." ~Rachel Carson, Silent Spring, 1962

The interesting thing about this sort of poster is that, not too many
years ago, it was the norm to douse with poisons. I, along with a
handful of others in this newsgroup have been lone soldiers of
organics. Now it seems organics are more the norm. It's truly so
nice to see in my own lifetime. I wish Rachel Carson were still
around to see that at least people are making efforts to stop
poisoning the earth. This is such good news.

OK guys, my tomatoes are still covered with whitefly and their small green
babies that look like minute aphids.

Why don't you go to the nearest transport and just effing jump off the
earth before you do any more damage. You and the rest of your kind.

You chemicalheads make me want to puke.

Charlie

Not to put too fine a point on it, but perhaps anyone who used
chemical pesticides or fertilizers was made to feel so unwelcome, they
just stopped posting. There would be no way to differentiate the two
cases at this point.

That would be counterproductive.

I've been on Usenet for longer than I like to imagine (uh, I think I
posted my first article on rec.arts.sf.written in about 198x), so I
have a pretty thick skin. But someone who comes to a group for the
first time, asking for help, and gets slammed too hard, is going have
a reaction along the lines of "What a bunch of supercilious
assholes!" Anyway, I'm as guilty as anyone when it comes to losing my
temper, but really, someone who comes asking for advice can get it
with honey or with fire ants. Which do you think they're more likely
to accept?

Chris

On 26-Jul-2008, Jangchub <Jangchub at (no spam) sakadawa.org> wrote:

This newsgroup is no longer as friendly to the poison
bunch. The things, they are a changin'.

You are making a difference. I replaced the front yard grass with
california native plants, including a path of dymondia and rosemary. Well
the old grass wasn't done yet and sprouted abundantly because there is no
mulch on the path. I tried hand weeding at first but got discouraged and
asked my landscaper what to do. He suggested something called Fusilade
which is an annual herbicide that supposedly doesn't harm perrenials. I
even bought the stuff but after absorbing the gist of this group, and
reading the label I decided to give hand weeding another go. It took a
while but by concentrating on 2x2 foot squares at a time I was able to weed
then entire path. The fusilade is sitting unopened in my shed. (inside a
locked cargo container for those who care).

So keep it up and don't despair, you are having an effect one person at a
time.

ml

I often despair of trying and often am angry about the willful
ignorance exhibited by so many, but when one reads a post such as the
one from "kzin", I feel uplifted and realize that one can make
difference. Rachel was my initial inspiration those many years ago and
the fire has never left. It's been a long road and I still have little
hope for the outcome, but whaddaya do, eh?

Keep pissin' and moanin' and pissin' people off, I guess. I seem to be
pretty good at that. I usually manage, on a fairly regular basis, to
irritate, anger and exasperate even those closest to me.

Keep the Faith
Charlie, melting in the heat and humidity

"So keep fightin' for freedom and justice, beloveds, but don't you
forget to have fun doin' it. Lord, let your laughter ring forth. Be
outrageous, ridicule the fraidy-cats, rejoice in all the oddities that
freedom can produce. And when you get through kickin' ass and
celebratin' the sheer joy of a good fight, be sure to tell those who
come after you how much fun it was." Molly Ivins

I tried hand weeding at first but got discouraged and
asked my landscaper what to do. He suggested something called Fusilade
which is an annual herbicide that supposedly doesn't harm perrenials

Not to put too fine a point on it, but perhaps anyone who used
chemical pesticides or fertilizers was made to feel so unwelcome, they
just stopped posting. There would be no way to differentiate the two
cases at this point.

That would be counterproductive.

I've been on Usenet for longer than I like to imagine (uh, I think I
posted my first article on rec.arts.sf.written in about 198x), so I
have a pretty thick skin. But someone who comes to a group for the
first time, asking for help, and gets slammed too hard, is going have
a reaction along the lines of "What a bunch of supercilious
assholes!" Anyway, I'm as guilty as anyone when it comes to losing my
temper, but really, someone who comes asking for advice can get it
with honey or with fire ants. Which do you think they're more likely
to accept?

Chris