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| Ralph Meeker... |
 Posted: Mon Jul 21, 2008 2:16 pm |
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Living in New Mexico, I recently got my carry permit,
and have been doing some research on what the
best choices are for weapons.
I was carrying a Kimber Pro CDP II in the winter months,
since a jacket or coat covers the .45 ACP well, and it is
comforting to know I have a great caliber and reliable
weapon on the hip.
I have pretty much given up on holsters, having tried
inside/outside waistbands and even a belly band, for
a shoulder holster-type carry. They are all too large, and
add greatly to the gun's "print", making it easier to spot
the fact that I have a "hidden" handgun. The Kimber's
grips are checkered well, so the pistol is thereby locked
in fairly rock solid, just riding inside the belt. I don;t do much
in the way of strenuous activities when carrying, and just
walking around disturbs the gun's position very little.
For summer carry, I prefer to wear a cowboy-type snap
shirt (instead of buttons), and slide the weapon into the
cross-draw position on my left hip. Comes out pretty quick
that way, so no problem there, but it is just barely visible to
the naked inquiring eye if I bend or stretch too far. I need
something smaller for summer wear. I prefer the snap
shirt to t-shirts, polo shirts, and the like since I have to
carry glasses and other stuff upstairs and I would rather
be seen as someone who couldn't possible have a gun in
the first place.
I also have a Mauser HSC in .380 ACP caliber, and I have been
carrying it this summer. With dimensions of 6" long, 4.5" high,
1.1" thick, and a 5" sight radius, it is almost ideal, but I am
uncomfortable with the smaller caliber. The gun's weight is ok at 21
oz, but the barrel is only 3.4" long, and the lighter bullets won't
have a particularly attractive stopping power in a difficult
situation. I am thinking perhaps a 9mm pistol might be a better
choice. Revolvers are all too thick, even the Ruger SP101, so
I plan to stay with the pistol format.
Of the available attractive choices, I have been looking closely at
the Sig P239 with length, height width dimensions of 6.6, 5.1 and
1.2 respectively. That's a little bigger than the Mauser, but the bbl
is 3.6", sights are 5.2" and weight 25oz, so it still should carry
well. And, stopping power should increase much beyond that of
the .380.
Also out there are the HK USP Compact with 6.81, 5.00, 1.20 dims
with sight radius of 5.35 (nice!) and weight 24oz, along with the CZ
2075 Rami, dims 6.6, 4.7, 1.3, weight 25oz and sights 4.9. Probably
not to awfully far from the ideal, I suspect.
Anyway, I am looking for some opinions of the ones discussed above,
along with any better choices I may have missed, if anyone cares to
contribute.
Thanks!
RM
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| greylock... |
| Posted: Tue Jul 22, 2008 2:54 am |
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Check out the Kahr P9 in 9mm, small, light, and flat.
Might be the best for your situation.
But if you like the .45 ACP, as I do, you might consider the
following.
Another option would be the Kahr .45 ACP, but I warn you that mine
kinda whacks my trigger finger with the inside of the trigger guard.
Extended firing is rather painful, but for something carried a lot and
fired very little............maybe...........
Also look at the Glock 30 in .45 ACP (probably wider than you will
like, but worth a look - double column magazine).
And finally look at the Glock 36 in .45 ACP, same basic size as the
Kahr .45 and narrower than the Glock 30 (single column magazine).
On Tue, 22 Jul 2008 00:16:51 +0000 (UTC), Ralph Meeker
<rmeek101 at (no spam) hotmail.com> wrote:
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| Ed... |
| Posted: Tue Jul 22, 2008 2:54 am |
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I can't argue that a .45 is an excellent choice for effective CCW,
should you need it, I don't like large caliber . . . just not fun for
me to shoot, even for practice. Consequently I stick to .380. If you
can hit what you're aiming at, even under stress, a .380 might be a good
alternative for true "concealed" carry for you. A lot of people rave
about the little KelTec 380. The recent Ruger entry into 380 market is
something else to look at.... about same size as KelTecs. You can slip
them into your front pocket, tight jeans, or whatever, and even then
they won't print. KAHR is not entering the 380 small carry market and
I'm really looking forward to their product. It should be a much higher
quality than the Ruger or KelTec, yet in the same tiny size range.
... just food for thought....
Ed in Oregon
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| Gandalf... |
| Posted: Tue Jul 22, 2008 2:54 am |
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On Tue, 22 Jul 2008 00:16:51 +0000 (UTC), Ralph Meeker
<rmeek101 at (no spam) hotmail.com> wrote:
#Living in New Mexico, I recently got my carry permit,
#and have been doing some research on what the
#best choices are for weapons.
#
#I was carrying a Kimber Pro CDP II in the winter months,
#since a jacket or coat covers the .45 ACP well, and it is
#comforting to know I have a great caliber and reliable
#weapon on the hip.
#
#I have pretty much given up on holsters, having tried
#inside/outside waistbands and even a belly band, for
#a shoulder holster-type carry. They are all too large, and
#add greatly to the gun's "print", making it easier to spot
#the fact that I have a "hidden" handgun. The Kimber's
#grips are checkered well, so the pistol is thereby locked
#in fairly rock solid, just riding inside the belt. I don;t do much
#in the way of strenuous activities when carrying, and just
#walking around disturbs the gun's position very little.
#
#For summer carry, I prefer to wear a cowboy-type snap
#shirt (instead of buttons), and slide the weapon into the
#cross-draw position on my left hip. Comes out pretty quick
#that way, so no problem there, but it is just barely visible to
#the naked inquiring eye if I bend or stretch too far. I need
#something smaller for summer wear. I prefer the snap
#shirt to t-shirts, polo shirts, and the like since I have to
#carry glasses and other stuff upstairs and I would rather
#be seen as someone who couldn't possible have a gun in
#the first place.
#
#I also have a Mauser HSC in .380 ACP caliber, and I have been
#carrying it this summer. With dimensions of 6" long, 4.5" high,
#1.1" thick, and a 5" sight radius, it is almost ideal, but I am
#uncomfortable with the smaller caliber. The gun's weight is ok at 21
#oz, but the barrel is only 3.4" long, and the lighter bullets won't
#have a particularly attractive stopping power in a difficult
#situation. I am thinking perhaps a 9mm pistol might be a better
#choice. Revolvers are all too thick, even the Ruger SP101, so
#I plan to stay with the pistol format.
#
#Of the available attractive choices, I have been looking closely at
#the Sig P239 with length, height width dimensions of 6.6, 5.1 and
#1.2 respectively. That's a little bigger than the Mauser, but the bbl
#is 3.6", sights are 5.2" and weight 25oz, so it still should carry
#well. And, stopping power should increase much beyond that of
#the .380.
#
#Also out there are the HK USP Compact with 6.81, 5.00, 1.20 dims
#with sight radius of 5.35 (nice!) and weight 24oz, along with the CZ
#2075 Rami, dims 6.6, 4.7, 1.3, weight 25oz and sights 4.9. Probably
#not to awfully far from the ideal, I suspect.
#
#Anyway, I am looking for some opinions of the ones discussed above,
#along with any better choices I may have missed, if anyone cares to
#contribute.
#
#Thanks!
#
#RM
#
The Sig P-239 in 9mm is a very good choice for CC. The frame is aluminum
alloy, and the slide is stainless steel; so corrosion won't be a
problem.
The grip is designed to be about as slim as possible, (with the factory
hard plastic grips) making concealing this fine pistol easier than many
other pistols the same 'size'.
There are many, many choices for CC, but you can't go wrong with a Sig,
IMHO.
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| Peter Konrad... |
| Posted: Tue Jul 22, 2008 2:54 am |
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On 22 Jul., 02:16, Ralph Meeker <rmeek... at (no spam) hotmail.com> wrote:
# I also have a Mauser HSC in .380 ACP caliber, and I have been
# carrying it this summer. With dimensions of 6" long, 4.5" high,
# 1.1" thick, and a 5" sight radius, it is almost ideal, but I am
# uncomfortable with the smaller caliber.
"Some experts will say it's barely adequate, and the others will say
it's barely inadequate", writes Ayoob in the Gun Digest Book of Combat
Handgunnery, going on to describe how the heaviest available bullet
barely managed to penetrate a swine's skull.
# Of the available attractive choices, I have been looking closely at
# the Sig P239 with length, height width dimensions of 6.6, 5.1 and
# 1.2 respectively.
The dimensions don't tell the whole story. Your Mauser carries so
pleasantly because it was specifically designed, although before WWII,
for CC. The SIG, while it has a very good rep, has a much edgier
design with many square, blockish lines. Then there's the HSC's mag
release safety. On another page, the author mentioned above describes
his research into a number of incidents where criminals didn't manage
to shoot police officers with their own guns because the officers had
managed to release the mag in the melee.
# Anyway, I am looking for some opinions of the ones discussed above,
# along with any better choices I may have missed, if anyone cares to
# contribute.
Some more lines from the above mentioned book: "Sometimes, compromise
isn't possible. Sometimes though, it's a necessity. And sometimes it's
a good thing, because it gets us past the small arguments so we can
focus on more important matters.
"The placement of the shot will be more important than the 'wound
profile' of the bullet we launch. Tactics that put us where we can
shoot the offender more quickly and easily than the offender can shoot
us, may be even more important than shot placement. And being alert
enough to see danger signs in time to avoid being shot at all might be
more important still."
In my view, sight radius is of no concern for a civilian because he
can't justify shooting somebody with it at ranges where this really
makes a difference, and a few fractions of an inch in barrel length
won't make a substantial difference in stopping power. Therefore idea
#1 would be to try an even smaller, more modern platform for the .380,
like the the Kahr PM9 or NAA Guardian.
Idea #2 would be something _at least_ as carryable as the Mauser in
9mm, or even .40 S&W, but I don't know too much about those. The Anti-
Snag version of the SIG might be worth looking at.
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| Tiger... |
| Posted: Tue Jul 22, 2008 2:54 am |
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Ralph Meeker wrote:
# Living in New Mexico, I recently got my carry permit,
# and have been doing some research on what the
# best choices are for weapons.
#
# I was carrying a Kimber Pro CDP II in the winter months,
# since a jacket or coat covers the .45 ACP well, and it is
# comforting to know I have a great caliber and reliable
# weapon on the hip.
#
# I have pretty much given up on holsters, having tried
# inside/outside waistbands and even a belly band, for
# a shoulder holster-type carry. They are all too large, and
# add greatly to the gun's "print", making it easier to spot
# the fact that I have a "hidden" handgun. The Kimber's
# grips are checkered well, so the pistol is thereby locked
# in fairly rock solid, just riding inside the belt. I don;t do much
# in the way of strenuous activities when carrying, and just
# walking around disturbs the gun's position very little.
#
# For summer carry, I prefer to wear a cowboy-type snap
# shirt (instead of buttons), and slide the weapon into the
# cross-draw position on my left hip. Comes out pretty quick
# that way, so no problem there, but it is just barely visible to
# the naked inquiring eye if I bend or stretch too far. I need
# something smaller for summer wear. I prefer the snap
# shirt to t-shirts, polo shirts, and the like since I have to
# carry glasses and other stuff upstairs and I would rather
# be seen as someone who couldn't possible have a gun in
# the first place.
#
# I also have a Mauser HSC in .380 ACP caliber, and I have been
# carrying it this summer. With dimensions of 6" long, 4.5" high,
# 1.1" thick, and a 5" sight radius, it is almost ideal, but I am
# uncomfortable with the smaller caliber. The gun's weight is ok at 21
# oz, but the barrel is only 3.4" long, and the lighter bullets won't
# have a particularly attractive stopping power in a difficult
# situation. I am thinking perhaps a 9mm pistol might be a better
# choice. Revolvers are all too thick, even the Ruger SP101, so
# I plan to stay with the pistol format.
#
# Of the available attractive choices, I have been looking closely at
# the Sig P239 with length, height width dimensions of 6.6, 5.1 and
# 1.2 respectively. That's a little bigger than the Mauser, but the bbl
# is 3.6", sights are 5.2" and weight 25oz, so it still should carry
# well. And, stopping power should increase much beyond that of
# the .380.
#
# Also out there are the HK USP Compact with 6.81, 5.00, 1.20 dims
# with sight radius of 5.35 (nice!) and weight 24oz, along with the CZ
# 2075 Rami, dims 6.6, 4.7, 1.3, weight 25oz and sights 4.9. Probably
# not to awfully far from the ideal, I suspect.
#
# Anyway, I am looking for some opinions of the ones discussed above,
# along with any better choices I may have missed, if anyone cares to
# contribute.
#
# Thanks!
#
# RM
#
#
#
Honestly the options are endless. It depends a lot on you and your
lifestyle. Kramer makes a under shirt holster the Confidant that would
work with your snap shirts.
http://www.kramerleather.com/products.cfm?categoryID=21
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| Posted: Fri Jul 25, 2008 3:05 pm |
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In article <g6cumd$h8d$1 at (no spam) grapevine.wam.umd.edu>,
"Wayne" <mygarbagecan at (no spam) verizon.net> wrote:
# "Ralph Meeker" <rmeek101 at (no spam) hotmail.com> wrote in message
# news:g68j5a$o5s$1 at (no spam) grapevine.wam.umd.edu...
# # Thanks for the thoughtful comments - all valuable and appreciated.
# #
# # I'm not particularly comfortable with the double-action-only options,
# # such as the Kahr and/or any of the Glocks. Personally, I like to have
# # a hammer available; adds to the comfort level, doncha know. Glocks are
# # said to be safe enough, but I am not convinced. The lack of manual
# # safeties, with just the 'safe-action' trigger gimme bad nerves. May be
# # ok for police, while riding in a holster, but I am pulling it out of
# # my belt, sometimes through clothing.
# One additional thought on the DAO/no safety. Would you be comfortable
# carrying a snubby 38 special revolver? If so, then the DAO/no safety
# discomfort is pretty much in your head. My first reaction to DAO/no safety
# was like yours, but with the revolver analogy, I got over it.
True DAO with restrike capability (like a revolver) should have no
problem, but Glocks are not true DAO and have no restrike available
without operating the slide. The Keltec P-11 is a light tiny 9mm with
true DAO and restrike, you might consider something like that.
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