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D.M.
Posted: Mon Aug 30, 2004 11:10 am
 
I'm looking to settle a debate here.
Any help would be appreciated.

In New York state, is it legal for a convicted felon to BOW hunt?
I realize that felons cannot posses firearms.
I believe that compound bows and longbows are considered to be a "firearm"
by law. Correct?

If so then that pretty much puts an end to the debate.
But...
If not, then how would the felon obtain a license?
He would need to complete the mandatory Gun hunter's safety course as well
as the mandatory Bow hunter's safety course before obtaining a hunting
license.
You can complete the bow hunter course without attending the gun course but
still can't obtain a hunting license. You need the gun part as well.

A felon could also attend the gun course as they are fairly lackadaisical on
background checks. Or used to be anyways.
The instructors that led my course required that we actually shoot with a
...22 rifle, a number of shots (5 or 6 if I remember correctly) and are then
graded. They told us that this is basically to ensure that the person isn't
out of control..so to speak.
They don't ALL do this but it's not a bad idea.

If it was required, then the felon would be breaking the law by shooting the
gun. Period.
If it's not required to shoot the target, then theoretically the felon could
obtain his hunting license without recourse.

Or lets say that the felon completed his gun course prior arrest and
conviction.
Of course, he'd be breaking the law when using a gun to hunt but what about
bow hunting?


Thanks for all replies.

Darrin
 
Skipper
Posted: Mon Aug 30, 2004 6:11 pm
 
On Mon, 30 Aug 2004 10:42:15 -0500, "D.M." <notme@notnow.com> wrote:

Quote:
I'm looking to settle a debate here.
Any help would be appreciated.

In New York state, is it legal for a convicted felon to BOW hunt?
I realize that felons cannot posses firearms.
I believe that compound bows and longbows are considered to be a "firearm"
by law. Correct?


It is my understanding that in Washington State a felon may not have
a weapon. This includes knives longer than about a 3" blade. As I
understand, bows are weapons and are not permitted at all.
New York is probably the same. Call your sherriff and ask him.
 
Dawg
Posted: Tue Aug 31, 2004 4:34 pm
 
I am not sure about NY but here in SC you can request permission to hunt w/
a long rifle. I would not have believed this to be true but i hunt w/ a guy
that has a felony record and has been granted permission. BTW it was a
violent crime he did 18 years for. he killed someone when a robbery went
wrong and was convicted of manslaughter 2. i did not know him then we meet
at church about 2 years ago
Rick
"D.M." <notme@notnow.com> wrote in message
news:drGYc.2763$Qm1.216@news01.roc.ny...
Quote:
I'm looking to settle a debate here.
Any help would be appreciated.

In New York state, is it legal for a convicted felon to BOW hunt?
I realize that felons cannot posses firearms.
I believe that compound bows and longbows are considered to be a "firearm"
by law. Correct?

If so then that pretty much puts an end to the debate.
But...
If not, then how would the felon obtain a license?
He would need to complete the mandatory Gun hunter's safety course as well
as the mandatory Bow hunter's safety course before obtaining a hunting
license.
You can complete the bow hunter course without attending the gun course
but
still can't obtain a hunting license. You need the gun part as well.

A felon could also attend the gun course as they are fairly lackadaisical
on
background checks. Or used to be anyways.
The instructors that led my course required that we actually shoot with a
..22 rifle, a number of shots (5 or 6 if I remember correctly) and are
then
graded. They told us that this is basically to ensure that the person
isn't
out of control..so to speak.
They don't ALL do this but it's not a bad idea.

If it was required, then the felon would be breaking the law by shooting
the
gun. Period.
If it's not required to shoot the target, then theoretically the felon
could
obtain his hunting license without recourse.

Or lets say that the felon completed his gun course prior arrest and
conviction.
Of course, he'd be breaking the law when using a gun to hunt but what
about
bow hunting?


Thanks for all replies.

Darrin

 
Superposed
Posted: Tue Aug 31, 2004 7:11 pm
 
Believe that felons can not own or possess, but can request special
dispensation to "operate" for the purpose of hunting with a non-felon hunter
who actually possesses the firearm.
 
BTMO
Posted: Tue Aug 31, 2004 8:09 pm
 
"Dawg" <> wrote

Quote:
I am not sure about NY but here in SC you can request permission to hunt
w/
a long rifle. I would not have believed this to be true but i hunt w/ a
guy
that has a felony record and has been granted permission. BTW it was a
violent crime he did 18 years for. he killed someone when a robbery went
wrong and was convicted of manslaughter 2. i did not know him then we meet
at church about 2 years ago

This'll probably earn me a flogging, but I am one of those people who
believes that *IF* someone has committed a crime, paid their debt to
society, mended their ways (demonstrably) and all of the rest, they should
be allowed to own firearms again, and hunt like anyone else. Especially if
they are limiting themselves to bow or long arm hunting.

Before you get the cat's o' nine tails out, please note the big if....

Cheers,

Brenton
 
Skipper
Posted: Wed Sep 01, 2004 7:09 am
 
On Wed, 1 Sep 2004 12:21:28 +1200, BTMO <btmo@hotmail.com> wrote:


Quote:

This'll probably earn me a flogging, but I am one of those people who
believes that *IF* someone has committed a crime, paid their debt to
society, mended their ways (demonstrably) and all of the rest, they should
be allowed to own firearms again, and hunt like anyone else. Especially if
they are limiting themselves to bow or long arm hunting.

Before you get the cat's o' nine tails out, please note the big if....

Cheers,

Brenton


In Washington State, some felons may apply for and regain their
citizenship rights. That does not, per se, mean they may carry
firearms. But in some cases, they can regain their hunting.
 
Guest
Posted: Wed Sep 01, 2004 2:08 pm
 
in nys felons can hunt with a bow and if granted a relief of civil
disability from a judge can posess and hunt with a firearm so it depends
on the severity of the crime if a judge will grant this relief but
regardless of crime you can hunt with a bow thats the jist of it you can
also hunt during gun season with a bow. as for someone just taking the
course i dont know how that works but contact a lawyer they would
probably give you better advice than a sherrif or contact your local
conversation officer
 
John Chase
Posted: Wed Sep 01, 2004 10:07 pm
 
BTMO wrote:

Quote:
[ snip ]
This'll probably earn me a flogging, but I am one of those people who
believes that *IF* someone has committed a crime, paid their debt to
society, mended their ways (demonstrably) and all of the rest, they should
be allowed to own firearms again, and hunt like anyone else.

I'd wager that significantly more people agree with you than disagree.

Quote:
Especially if they are limiting themselves to bow or long arm hunting.

I advocate NO restrictions.

-jc-
 
Tim Bromund
Posted: Mon Sep 06, 2004 11:08 pm
 
"BTMO" <btmo@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:dC8Zc.20249$N77.813679@news.xtra.co.nz...
Quote:
"Dawg" <> wrote

I am not sure about NY but here in SC you can request permission to hunt
w/
a long rifle. I would not have believed this to be true but i hunt w/ a
guy
that has a felony record and has been granted permission. BTW it was a
violent crime he did 18 years for. he killed someone when a robbery went
wrong and was convicted of manslaughter 2. i did not know him then we
meet
at church about 2 years ago

This'll probably earn me a flogging, but I am one of those people who
believes that *IF* someone has committed a crime, paid their debt to
society, mended their ways (demonstrably) and all of the rest, they should
be allowed to own firearms again, and hunt like anyone else. Especially if
they are limiting themselves to bow or long arm hunting.

Before you get the cat's o' nine tails out, please note the big if....

Cheers,

Brenton

Acutally, I agree with you. If they have paid their debt to society and are
no longer a danger to it, then I have no problem with having their full
rights restored. If they ARE still a danger to society, then they shouldn't
be out on the street period!!

Tim
 
Ben Rondeau
Posted: Tue Sep 07, 2004 5:07 pm
 
On Mon, 30 Aug 2004 10:42:15 -0500, "D.M." <notme@notnow.com> wrote:

Quote:
In New York state, is it legal for a convicted felon to BOW hunt?

As far as I know, yes.

Quote:
I realize that felons cannot posses firearms.

In most instances, correct.

Quote:
I believe that compound bows and longbows are considered to be a "firearm"
by law. Correct?


No. Bows are not firearms.

Quote:
If so then that pretty much puts an end to the debate.
But...
If not, then how would the felon obtain a license?
He would need to complete the mandatory Gun hunter's safety course as well
as the mandatory Bow hunter's safety course before obtaining a hunting
license.
You can complete the bow hunter course without attending the gun course but
still can't obtain a hunting license. You need the gun part as well.


You know, I'd never thought of that, but from my understanding of NYS
law and regs, your assessment is correct.

Quote:
A felon could also attend the gun course as they are fairly lackadaisical on
background checks. Or used to be anyways.

If he did, he would be committing another crime the minute he touched
a firearm.

Quote:
The instructors that led my course required that we actually shoot with a
..22 rifle, a number of shots (5 or 6 if I remember correctly) and are then
graded. They told us that this is basically to ensure that the person isn't
out of control..so to speak.
They don't ALL do this but it's not a bad idea.


When I was a Hunter Safety Instructor, the shooting portion of the
course was mandatory.

Quote:
If it was required, then the felon would be breaking the law by shooting the
gun. Period.

Correct.

Quote:
If it's not required to shoot the target, then theoretically the felon could
obtain his hunting license without recourse.

Or lets say that the felon completed his gun course prior arrest and
conviction.
Of course, he'd be breaking the law when using a gun to hunt but what about
bow hunting?


If he completed the course prior to his arrest, he would be in the
clear, and could get his bowhunting certificate.

What a convicted felon would need to do, would be to obtain either a
Certificate of Relief From Disabilities from the court that heard the
offense, or a Certificate of Good Conduct from the New York State
Parole Board to restore his firearms rights.

Anyone with this problem should probably speak to an attorney to make
sure everything is done properly.

Ben Rondeau
Attorney and Counselor-at-Law, Albany, NY
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Email is invalid.
 
Ben Rondeau
Posted: Tue Sep 07, 2004 5:08 pm
 
On Tue, 31 Aug 2004 23:37:35 GMT, Superposed <superposed@aol.com>
wrote:

Quote:
Believe that felons can not own or possess, but can request special
dispensation to "operate" for the purpose of hunting with a non-felon hunter
who actually possesses the firearm.

Not in NY. Felons cannot own or possess firearms without some sort of
restoration of rights. See my other post.

Ben Rondeau
 
Paul Fundling
Posted: Tue Sep 07, 2004 8:11 pm
 
NOT NEW YORK: I did find an interesting passage in this years Texas
annual hunting and fishing regulations I have not noticed before.

"Possession of firearms by felons: A convicted felon, regardless of
where the conviction occurred, may not possess or use a firearm (as
defined by penal code 46.01) to hunt in this state Under penal code a
muzzle loading firearm is lawful if it is an antique or curio firearm
manufactured before 1899 or a replica of an antique or curio firearm
made before 1899 that does not use a rimfire of centerfire ammunition".

I guess if you are a convicted felon and want to hunt in Texas you had
better be a traditionalist. Smile
 
ninverness
Posted: Thu Apr 21, 2005 3:04 pm
 
In New York a felon may hunt during bow and gun season with a bow, during
gun and black powder season with a modern black powder rifle (walmart $69)
and may posses any muzzle loading black powder long arm, as well as any
antiques pre 1898 provided that he does not also posses any form of
ammunition for said antiques. I am a felon and I have a dozen antique
revolvers, which are really just collectibles. If one were to attempt to
fire them with a modern cartridge they would cause death to the user not
the target.
 
 
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