Gondor wrote:
I have recently bought a Hasegawa 1/72 F-4E Phantom II Indiana ANG
Special kit and found that the instructions are incorrect. The Sprue
Trees have the Slat mechanism grayed out to show they are not used,
yet they are shown in the Marking & painting stage as well as
construction stage 15 and on the box top photograph. Can enyone send
me a scan of the relavant part of a set of instructions that show
which of the parts Q2, Q3 & Q4 go where on the wing ?

That's quite odd that should happen. Section 12 on the instructions is
clearly wrong, especially as the boxtop photo clearly shows the fairings. I
have just pulled an earlier boxing of this kit - "F-4E Phabulous Phantom" -
from my stash and the instructions are the same in that one. Astonishing!
I have never noticed that before...

However, not to worry. Have a look at these pages. The links will show you
where the parts in question fit. Don't worry about the fact that the kit is
an F-4F. The only difference is in the tailplanes.

http://www.1999.co.jp/eng/10062566http://www.1999.co.jp/eng/image/10062566z3/70/3

Hope this helps.

--
Enzo

I wear the cheese. It does not wear me.

I have recently bought a Hasegawa 1/72 F-4E Phantom II Indiana ANG
Special kit and found that the instructions are incorrect. The Sprue
Trees have the Slat mechanism grayed out to show they are not used,
yet they are shown in the Marking & painting stage as well as
construction stage 15 and on the box top photograph. Can enyone send
me a scan of the relavant part of a set of instructions that show
which of the parts Q2, Q3 & Q4 go where on the wing ?

Thanks in Advance

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I have recently bought a Hasegawa 1/72 F-4E Phantom II Indiana ANG
Special kit and found that the instructions are incorrect. The Sprue
Trees have the Slat mechanism grayed out to show they are not used,
yet they are shown in the Marking & painting stage as well as
construction stage 15 and on the box top photograph. Can enyone send
me a scan of the relavant part of a set of instructions that show
which of the parts Q2, Q3 & Q4 go where on the wing ?

On Jul 20, 9:26 pm, "Enzo Matrix" <enz... at (no spam) hotmail.com> wrote:
Gondor wrote:
I have recently bought a Hasegawa 1/72 F-4E Phantom II Indiana ANG
Special kit and found that the instructions are incorrect. The Sprue
Trees have the Slat mechanism grayed out to show they are not used,
yet they are shown in the Marking & painting stage as well as
construction stage 15 and on the box top photograph. Can enyone send
me a scan of the relavant part of a set of instructions that show
which of the parts Q2, Q3 & Q4 go where on the wing ?

That's quite odd that should happen. Section 12 on the instructions
is clearly wrong, especially as the boxtop photo clearly shows the
fairings. I have just pulled an earlier boxing of this kit - "F-4E
Phabulous Phantom" - from my stash and the instructions are the same
in that one. Astonishing! I have never noticed that before...

However, not to worry. Have a look at these pages. The links will
show you where the parts in question fit. Don't worry about the
fact that the kit is an F-4F. The only difference is in the
tailplanes.

http://www.1999.co.jp/eng/10062566
http://www.1999.co.jp/eng/image/10062566z3/70/3

Hope this helps.

--
Enzo

I wear the cheese. It does not wear me.

Thank you Enzo that was exactly the information I was looking for
especially as I do not have any other version of the F-4 by Hasegawa
that uses wing slats. I was very surprised to see that the information
was missing and that the parts were shaded as not in use.
Once again my thanks.

With regards to the version of Phantom that I am building I have found
in the last couple of weeks the following.

F-4E Early production machines had only drooped flaps an unsloted tail
plain along with the short canon muzzle. The longer muzzle and slatted
tail along with the leading edge slats were fitted to later production
machines and retro fitted to earlier machines.

F-4EJ No slatted wings or tail plains as with the early production E
version but with the longer cannon muzzle. The Kai has the same
features as far as slats and slots are concerned.

F-4F Slats on the wing leading edges and no slotted tail surfaces.
Also has a long canon muzzle.

F-4G Converted from the E version with slatted wings and slotted tail
surfaces.

What I am intending to do with the two kits of the Indiana ANG F-4E I
have recently bought is to make one an Israli aircraft and the other a
Greek AUP aircraft.

Gondor wrote:
With regards to the version of Phantom that I am building I have found
in the last couple of weeks the following.

F-4E Early production machines had only drooped flaps an unsloted tail
plain along with the short canon muzzle. The longer muzzle and slatted
tail along with the leading edge slats were fitted to later production
machines and retro fitted to earlier machines.

F-4EJ No slatted wings or tail plains as with the early production E
version but with the longer cannon muzzle. The Kai has the same
features as far as slats and slots are concerned.

F-4F Slats on the wing leading edges and no slotted tail surfaces.
Also has a long canon muzzle.

F-4G Converted from the E version with slatted wings and slotted tail
surfaces.

What I am intending to do with the two kits of the Indiana ANG F-4E I
have recently bought is to make one an Israli aircraft and the other a
Greek AUP aircraft.

Be very careful with the Israeli aircraft. The first slatted F-4Es were
Block 51 aircraft delivered as part of Operation Peace Echo IV in late 1971.
Previous aircraft had non-slatted wings. Between 1971 and 1978, slats were
retro-fitted to all earlier aircraft by IAI. If your chosen aircraft is
after this date it is safe to assume that it had a slatted wing, but for any
date before 1978 it is essential to find photographic evidence.

--
Enzo

I wear the cheese. It does not wear me.

On Jul 21, 9:40 pm, "Enzo Matrix" <enz... at (no spam) hotmail.com> wrote:
Gondor wrote:
With regards to the version of Phantom that I am building I have
found in the last couple of weeks the following.

F-4E Early production machines had only drooped flaps an unsloted
tail plain along with the short canon muzzle. The longer muzzle and
slatted tail along with the leading edge slats were fitted to later
production machines and retro fitted to earlier machines.

F-4EJ No slatted wings or tail plains as with the early production E
version but with the longer cannon muzzle. The Kai has the same
features as far as slats and slots are concerned.

F-4F Slats on the wing leading edges and no slotted tail surfaces.
Also has a long canon muzzle.

F-4G Converted from the E version with slatted wings and slotted
tail surfaces.

What I am intending to do with the two kits of the Indiana ANG F-4E
I have recently bought is to make one an Israli aircraft and the
other a Greek AUP aircraft.

Be very careful with the Israeli aircraft. The first slatted F-4Es
were Block 51 aircraft delivered as part of Operation Peace Echo IV
in late 1971. Previous aircraft had non-slatted wings. Between 1971
and 1978, slats were retro-fitted to all earlier aircraft by IAI.
If your chosen aircraft is after this date it is safe to assume that
it had a slatted wing, but for any date before 1978 it is essential
to find photographic evidence.



Thank you Enzo, I am not going to be doing much until Isra Bring out
their new book on the F-4 Phantom which has gone to the top of my must
purchase list..

Gondor wrote:

F-4E Early production machines had only drooped flaps an unsloted tail
plain along with the short canon muzzle. The longer muzzle and slatted
tail along with the leading edge slats were fitted to later production
machines and retro fitted to earlier machines.

On Jul 26, 11:37 pm, Gene K <speed... at (no spam) mchsi.com> wrote:

Gondor wrote:

F-4E Early production machines had only drooped flaps an unsloted tail
plain along with the short canon muzzle. The longer muzzle and slatted
tail along with the leading edge slats were fitted to later production
machines and retro fitted to earlier machines.

By "drooped flaps" I think you mean leading edge flaps (vice slats),
right? You're correct about the VERY early F-4Es not having slotted
stabs, but by 1966 (in Operational testing) the slotted stabs were
introduced. The slats came in much later - almost ten years later. In
other words, you'd be hard pressed to find an unslotted F-4E.

Gene K

Yep I agree with you about that Geane as long as your talking about
finding one like that today, however the F-4E's loaned to Australia
and the first of the aircraft sold to Israel were of the early version
without the wing slats.  Unless anyone knows of someone that produces
the slotted stabaliser as a separate item the only way to produce a
model in 1/72 from a Hasegawa kit is to swap the outer wings of an
F-4EJ with an F-4E which will produce an early F-4E and an F-4F.
Expensive I know, but I think the quality of the moldings outweighs
the price.

Gondor