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| PaPaPeng... |
Posted: Sat Jul 19, 2008 3:27 pm |
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I am thinking of using a discarded (good) electric controller from an
electric blanket as a controller for a nichrome wire foam cutter. Can
anyone gibve me a general idea how electric blankets work. Pointed in
the right direction I can use a multimeter to check out the wiring and
see if I can use it for controlling a foam cutter.
There are two controllers. The controller I where I snipped off the
insulated power wires has a regular two prong plug (2 wires) for the
wall 115 Vac outlet. Inside the controller is a heating "zig zag" wire
assembly next to a 3/4 turn moveable knob contact for adjusting the
blanket's set temperature. I would believe the "zig zag" wire heats
up to cut off the power supply at set point. This "zig zag" part is
an independent 3 wire circuit but must be connected to the 115Vac
power source somewhere.
Since I don't have the blanket any more I am a bit puzzled as to how
things are wired up. Also I can't imagine 115 Vac running though the
blanket's embedded heating coils as any fracture will be a fire hazard
or a shock hazard. Yet there is no transformer to step down the
voltage and not much by the way of safety cut-offs in the controllers. |
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| Tom... |
Posted: Sat Jul 19, 2008 7:29 pm |
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Before proceeding, please be sure you will is up to date and your
significant other(s) know where you have hidden your important papers.
"PaPaPeng" <PaPaPeng at (no spam) yahoo.com> wrote in message
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Quote:
I am thinking of using a discarded (good) electric controller from an
electric blanket as a controller for a nichrome wire foam cutter. Can
anyone gibve me a general idea how electric blankets work. Pointed in
the right direction I can use a multimeter to check out the wiring and
see if I can use it for controlling a foam cutter.
There are two controllers. The controller I where I snipped off the
insulated power wires has a regular two prong plug (2 wires) for the
wall 115 Vac outlet. Inside the controller is a heating "zig zag" wire
assembly next to a 3/4 turn moveable knob contact for adjusting the
blanket's set temperature. I would believe the "zig zag" wire heats
up to cut off the power supply at set point. This "zig zag" part is
an independent 3 wire circuit but must be connected to the 115Vac
power source somewhere.
Since I don't have the blanket any more I am a bit puzzled as to how
things are wired up. Also I can't imagine 115 Vac running though the
blanket's embedded heating coils as any fracture will be a fire hazard
or a shock hazard. Yet there is no transformer to step down the
voltage and not much by the way of safety cut-offs in the controllers.
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| Val Kraut... |
Posted: Sat Jul 19, 2008 9:06 pm |
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There was as ad on TV tonight for a service that allowed you to create a
will for $63 - perfectly legal. If buying a real controller is less than
this - buy one, if its more, make a will, then modify your blanket control
but please let your wife know how to list things on ebay.
Val Kraut |
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| Bruce Burden... |
Posted: Sat Jul 19, 2008 9:47 pm |
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PaPaPeng <PaPaPeng at (no spam) yahoo.com> wrote:
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: There are two controllers. The controller I where I snipped off the
: insulated power wires has a regular two prong plug (2 wires) for the
: wall 115 Vac outlet. Inside the controller is a heating "zig zag" wire
: assembly next to a 3/4 turn moveable knob contact for adjusting the
: blanket's set temperature. I would believe the "zig zag" wire heats
: up to cut off the power supply at set point.
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What you are describing sounds more like a rheostat than a
temperature control. If you have a multimeter, it should be
easy enough to set it to the voltage sacle and measure the out
put from the controller.
There are several articles describing how to build one of
these things on the net. googleing "nichrome cutter" led to
more articles than I care to count. :-)
Bruce
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"I like bad!" Bruce Burden Austin, TX.
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The Power and the Prophet
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Posted: Sat Jul 19, 2008 10:12 pm |
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In article <48829dda$0$20942$607ed4bc at (no spam) cv.net>, "Val Kraut" <marvalk at (no spam) optonline.net> wrote:
Quote: There was as ad on TV tonight for a service that allowed you to create a
will for $63 - perfectly legal. If buying a real controller is less than
this - buy one, if its more, make a will, then modify your blanket control
but please let your wife know how to list things on ebay.
Val Kraut
don't forget fire insurance. |
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| willshak... |
Posted: Sat Jul 19, 2008 10:37 pm |
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Val Kraut wrote:
Quote: There was as ad on TV tonight for a service that allowed you to create a
will for $63 - perfectly legal. If buying a real controller is less than
this - buy one, if its more, make a will, then modify your blanket control
but please let your wife know how to list things on ebay.
Val Kraut
If she knows how to use a computer, just have her Google wills. She will
find a plethora of sites, some of which are free.
--
Bill
In Hamptonburgh, NY
in the original Orange County. |
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| PaPaPeng... |
Posted: Sat Jul 19, 2008 10:59 pm |
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On Sat, 19 Jul 2008 17:29:18 -0700, "Tom"
<(remove)mr_tsquare at (no spam) hotmail.com> wrote:
Quote: Before proceeding, please be sure you will is up to date and your
significant other(s) know where you have hidden your important papers.
Grow up a little please. I had made many of my own tools, mechanical,
electric and electronic and they work great. I am way past
retirement and I still have all my body parts in good condition. I
know what I am doing. If you have an answer do share it. What we
don't need is smart assed comments from people who know nothing. |
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| The Old Man... |
Posted: Sun Jul 20, 2008 12:47 am |
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On Jul 19, 10:06 pm, "Val Kraut" <marv... at (no spam) optonline.net> wrote:
Quote: There was as ad on TV tonight for a service that allowed you to create a
will for $63 - perfectly legal. If buying a real controller is less than
this - buy one, if its more, make a will, then modify your blanket control
but please let your wife know how to list things on ebay.
Val Kraut
EBay Bloody Hell! Make sure she has MY address! |
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| The Old Man... |
Posted: Sun Jul 20, 2008 12:53 am |
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On Jul 19, 11:59 pm, PaPaPeng <PaPaP... at (no spam) yahoo.com> wrote:
Quote: On Sat, 19 Jul 2008 17:29:18 -0700, "Tom"
(remove)mr_tsqu... at (no spam) hotmail.com> wrote:
Before proceeding, please be sure you will is up to date and your
significant other(s) know where you have hidden your important papers.
Grow up a little please. I had made many of my own tools, mechanical,
electric and electronic and they work great. I am way past
retirement and I still have all my body parts in good condition. I
know what I am doing. If you have an answer do share it. What we
don't need is smart assed comments from people who know nothing.
Having seen the results (*) from a broken electric blanket, I'd still
have to say be very careful, and I really do hope it works out for
you.
* - A destroyed bedroom - $5,000.00
- Clean up and airing out the rest of the house - $1,000
- Having at least one wag claim thet someone forgot to put out the
post-coital cigarette....
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- Priceless |
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| Peter W.... |
Posted: Sun Jul 20, 2008 4:59 am |
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On Jul 19, 4:27 pm, PaPaPeng <PaPaP... at (no spam) yahoo.com> wrote:
Quote: I am thinking of using a discarded (good) electric controller from an
electric blanket as a controller for a nichrome wire foam cutter. Can
anyone gibve me a general idea how electric blankets work. Pointed in
the right direction I can use a multimeter to check out the wiring and
see if I can use it for controlling a foam cutter.
There are two controllers. The controller I where I snipped off the
insulated power wires has a regular two prong plug (2 wires) for the
wall 115 Vac outlet. Inside the controller is a heating "zig zag" wire
assembly next to a 3/4 turn moveable knob contact for adjusting the
blanket's set temperature. I would believe the "zig zag" wire heats
up to cut off the power supply at set point. This "zig zag" part is
an independent 3 wire circuit but must be connected to the 115Vac
power source somewhere.
Since I don't have the blanket any more I am a bit puzzled as to how
things are wired up. Also I can't imagine 115 Vac running though the
blanket's embedded heating coils as any fracture will be a fire hazard
or a shock hazard. Yet there is no transformer to step down the
voltage and not much by the way of safety cut-offs in the controllers.
I do not recommend this. Your intentions are good but you're a bit
misguided.
Here is what I know about electric blankers (form my own
observations):
*YES*, there is 120V AC going applied to the heating coils of the
electric blanket. It does not use any type of a voltage step-down
device. The heating element is well insulated. I gather that
manufacturers think that it is safe for use.
Some newer blankets have a sensing circuit in the controller which
cuts power to the heater the instance there is a break in the
circuit. They also use a polarized plug so that the heating coil will
not be on the live side of the circuit once the safety cutoff
occurs. Older blankets did not have this feature.
The "controller" that you've mentioned is nothing more that a simple
thermostat circuit. It is actually more like a cycling timer and
thermostat Very simple design using an adjustable bi-metal switch.
All ti does is to cycle the full power off and on to the blanket. The
cycle time is controlled by the value dialed on the knob and also
affected by the ambient temperature.
The on/off ratio is the lowest at the lower settings and fully "on" at
the highest setting. The ambient temperature offsets this a bit (the
colder it is the more "on" time you get).
I do not see how that could be useful for hot wire cuttter. Best way
to control hot wire cutter would probably be a low voltage variable
transformer. Or some sort of Triac controlled circuit (similar to
standard dimmer switches). The "dimming " circuit could either be
used on the high or low voltage side of the transformer.
Peteski |
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| Don Stauffer in Minnesota... |
Posted: Sun Jul 20, 2008 5:58 am |
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On Jul 19, 3:27 pm, PaPaPeng <PaPaP... at (no spam) yahoo.com> wrote:
Quote: I am thinking of using a discarded (good) electric controller from an
electric blanket as a controller for a nichrome wire foam cutter. Can
anyone gibve me a general idea how electric blankets work. Pointed in
the right direction I can use a multimeter to check out the wiring and
see if I can use it for controlling a foam cutter.
There are two controllers. The controller I where I snipped off the
insulated power wires has a regular two prong plug (2 wires) for the
wall 115 Vac outlet. Inside the controller is a heating "zig zag" wire
assembly next to a 3/4 turn moveable knob contact for adjusting the
blanket's set temperature. I would believe the "zig zag" wire heats
up to cut off the power supply at set point. This "zig zag" part is
an independent 3 wire circuit but must be connected to the 115Vac
power source somewhere.
Since I don't have the blanket any more I am a bit puzzled as to how
things are wired up. Also I can't imagine 115 Vac running though the
blanket's embedded heating coils as any fracture will be a fire hazard
or a shock hazard. Yet there is no transformer to step down the
voltage and not much by the way of safety cut-offs in the controllers.
I suspect electric blanket elements are high impedence low current,
high voltage devices.
Foam cutters are very low impedence, hence use high current, low
voltage. Most of the cutters I have seen use six volts or lower. On
mine I used an adjustable battery charger/eliminator, and it worked
fine, but it was a fifteen amp device and I was using about ten amps
of it.
I think you would be much better off using a low voltage device, and
you can easily use manual control rather than automatic. Much safer,
too. |
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| Richard Brooks... |
Posted: Sun Jul 20, 2008 8:19 am |
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PaPaPeng said the following on 20/07/2008 04:59:
Quote: On Sat, 19 Jul 2008 17:29:18 -0700, "Tom"
(remove)mr_tsquare at (no spam) hotmail.com> wrote:
Before proceeding, please be sure you will is up to date and your
significant other(s) know where you have hidden your important papers.
Grow up a little please. I had made many of my own tools, mechanical,
electric and electronic and they work great. I am way past
retirement and I still have all my body parts in good condition. I
know what I am doing. If you have an answer do share it. What we
don't need is smart assed comments from people who know nothing.
Try putting the little-known idea of putting "Electric blankets how
they work" into a browser search box. It's crazy I know but worth a try.
http://www.blurtit.com/q572953.html
http://inventors.about.com/od/estartinventions/a/ElectricBlanket.htm
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electric_blanket |
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| PaPaPeng... |
Posted: Sun Jul 20, 2008 9:29 am |
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On Sun, 20 Jul 2008 03:53:08 -0700 (PDT), The Old Man
<Braungart at (no spam) verizon.net> wrote:
Quote: On Jul 19, 11:59Â pm, PaPaPeng <PaPaP... at (no spam) yahoo.com> wrote:
On Sat, 19 Jul 2008 17:29:18 -0700, "Tom"
(remove)mr_tsqu... at (no spam) hotmail.com> wrote:
Before proceeding, please be sure you will is up to date and your
significant other(s) know where you have hidden your important papers.
Grow up a little please. Â I had made many of my own tools, mechanical,
electric and electronic  and they work great.  I am way past
retirement and  I still have all my body parts in good condition.  I
know what I am doing. If you have an answer do share it. Â What we
don't need is smart assed comments from people who know nothing.
Having seen the results (*) from a broken electric blanket, I'd still
have to say be very careful, and I really do hope it works out for
you.
* - A destroyed bedroom - $5,000.00
- Clean up and airing out the rest of the house - $1,000
- Having at least one wag claim thet someone forgot to put out the
post-coital cigarette....
.
- Priceless
I have a fully equipped double garage workshop where I can make or
repair practically anything. Idiot mistakes as you suggest don't
happen. |
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| PaPaPeng... |
Posted: Sun Jul 20, 2008 6:35 pm |
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On Sun, 20 Jul 2008 07:59:14 -0700 (PDT), "Peter W."
<peteski at (no spam) my-deja.com> wrote:
Quote: I do not see how that could be useful for hot wire cuttter. Best way
to control hot wire cutter would probably be a low voltage variable
transformer. Or some sort of Triac controlled circuit (similar to
standard dimmer switches). The "dimming " circuit could either be
used on the high or low voltage side of the transformer.
Peteski
The solution then is to introduce a 24V transformer to heat the
nichrome wire. The 115 V controllar to the transformer is still
valid. I like making things out of stuff one would normally junk. If
this doesn't work it will cost me nothing but will give me several
hours of fun.
The triac in a light dimmer is not sensitive enough to arrive at the
styrofoam melt temp. I don't want to build a custom triac circuit
although I have the schematics. There are several other simple
solutions that I may build at some future date.
I do have a clouple of variable voltage transformers.
http://www.tempco.com/Accessories/Variable_Voltage_Transformer.htm
But they are large, heavy and bulky. A simple foam cutter is what I
am trying to make. |
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| PaPaPeng... |
Posted: Sun Jul 20, 2008 6:37 pm |
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On Sun, 20 Jul 2008 08:58:55 -0700 (PDT), Don Stauffer in Minnesota
<stauffer at (no spam) usfamily.net> wrote:
Quote: I think you would be much better off using a low voltage device, and
you can easily use manual control rather than automatic. Much safer,
too.
My project is to cut boat hulls and airplane wings spanning some 6
feet. Good temperature control is necessary. |
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