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Posted: Sat Jul 19, 2008 4:01 pm
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On Jul 18, 7:53 pm, RSF Group <aegisi... at (no spam) hotmail.com> wrote:
Quote:
http://www.davidduke.com/general/jane-shearer-the-defilement-and-deat...

Interesting, thanks. Loved BAD BOYS, hopefully Rick's latest is not as
vile as this article implies...

Certainly is true that whites bend over backwards to portray blacks,
as a group, as much more civilized/intelligent/virtuous, etc. than
they in fact are.
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Posted: Mon Jul 21, 2008 5:38 pm
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On Jul 20, 4:59 pm, Tom <drso... at (no spam) aol.com> wrote:

On Jul 19, 9:01 pm, The Hairy Hidden Hand of the White Man

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On Jul 18, 7:53 pm, RSF Group <aegisi... at (no spam) hotmail.com> wrote:

http://www.davidduke.com/general/jane-shearer-the-defilement-and-deat...

Interesting, thanks. Loved BAD BOYS, hopefully Rick's latest is not as
vile as this article implies...

Certainly is true that whites bend over backwards to portray blacks,
as a group, as much more civilized/intelligent/virtuous, etc. than
they in fact are.

In 50 years, the races will be so intermixed, racism will be non-
existent. So,when you're bouncing your mixed race grandchildren on
your knee, get back to us.

Tom
....
The latest national census confirms that most people tend to marry
within their own racial group.

Racial group? Weird term. The last time I checked, there was one
race--the human race. Do you mean skin color? Complexion? Because
the term "race" as you use it is meaningless. There is nothing to
differentiate one skin color group intrinsically from another except
one thing--skin color. Try to be more precise if you're making this
into a soap box issue.

.....
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you're either ignorant or politically correct. i'll assume the
former.

Getting personal, I see. That's usually a sign of fear or
desperation. How desperate is your argument. Let us see.


Quote:
race is not species. there is only one human SPECIES but
many races.

Human race is an expression most people use to describe the set of all
people. Ever hear it? Race as you use it is an old, threadbare
social construct. With the breakthroughs in genome research,
scientists laugh at categorizing people this way. They look at human
genotypes, not races, and divide people by population. One doesn't
have to travel very far to see how quickly the old race construct
breaks down between populations within the Americas. Even by looking
it's hard to know who is who. In central Asia phenotypes often blur
into one another.

Quote:
it's like there is only one dog/wolf/coyote species but
there are various races of dogs. (wolf, coyote, and all breeds of dogs
must be considered as being of a single species because they pass the
basic test of speciehood: the offspring of interbreeding is fertile.
horses and donkeys, on the other hand, are not part of one species.
though breeding a horse with a donkey creates a mule, a mule is
infertile. same is true of lions and leopard. the offspring of a lion
and leopard--known as leopon--is infertile. the offspring of dogs and
wolves or dogs and coyotes, however are fertile).
so, an mexican wolf, a european wolf, a german shepherd, a coyote, a
poodle, a daschund, etc are all part of a single 'dog' speices. but,
they are different. some dogs are faster--greyhounds are fastest.
among the dog family, the wolf and pitbulls are the most powerful.
collies are known for their hyper 'personality'.

People do not divide up into breeds, Mr. Murray. There isn't a hyper
human type than can be identified by color or ethnicity.

Quote:
chihuahuas tend to
be highstrung and nervous. golden retrievers tend to be mellow. some
breeds are generally more shy than others. some are more intelligent.

Some have British accents and enslave darker haired dogs, while other
dogs line up an especially hated breed and march them into special
"flea baths" at gunpoint only to later incinerate them in ovens. At
last count 6 million of one particularly religious breed was
annihilated by German Shepherds.


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they were all bred differently forces of nature and/or by man. if you
take a 100 pitbulls and mix them with 100 poodles, pitbulls will
become the alphamales of the community while poodle males will become
pussified betamales. there will be far more pitbull-on-poodle
violence than vice versa. there will be far more male pitbull-on-
female-poodle sex than male-poodle-on-female-pitbull sex.
and, we can see the same results in racial relations in the US. up
until the 60s, the natural racial dynamic in America had been
suppressed because whites stuck together and used social, economic,
and political means to keep blacks inferior as a group. but, ever
since those artificial barriers have been lowered,blacks have been
outbeating and outfucking honkeys. most fights between blacks and
whites have blacks whupping the slow white boy. more and more white
girls willfully choose black males because women worship power and
want to be with a strong negro stud than a faggotyass slow flabby
white boy.
.....
if the ONLY difference between whites and blacks is skin
color, we wouldn't have the kind of problems we see today. whites
fear blacks because blacks are stronger. whites worship blacks because
blacks are more badass, and funkier. lame white boys bow at the feet
of black athletes, bluesmen,and jazz masters.
so, what we are seeing is natural racism in action.

Social conditioning. Just as race is a social construct, so this kind
of behavior is socially conditioned and constructed. Without all the
theories and counter theories and court decisions and enslavement and
Jim Crow and media stories, whites and blacks in America would treat
each other in the way blacks and Hispanics treat each other or
Hispanics and whites. That is, pretty regular. By the way, how does
the dog thing mix with the badass funky bluesmen meeting lame white
boys? Do I get more lame if I am the offspring of white people? What
happened to being LESS lame and more the trailblazer adventurer nation
builder inventor pioneer Admiral if you came from whites?

.....
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nature is racist
in that it created different races under different conditions.
africa, with its hot climate and dangerous animals, created people who
are lean in fat, muscular, and aggressive.

How is that racist? It has nothing to do with racism.

Quote:
the cold climate in the
north created asiatics who are more prone to group activity and
consensus. and asians developed greater fat-to-muscle ratio because
fat was necessary for insulation. whites are somewhere in between.

Nothing racist about it.

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now, white boys don't wanna face the truth because (1) it's depressing
(2) they've been indoctrinated that race is a myth and (3) that
speaking truth to black reality and power is evil and 'racist'.
..

I'm going to assume that you have some black blood even if it's just a
trace. Do you find that so depressing? Probably not. 2) Race is
non-existent as a way of classifying people, not a false myth. It is
inaccurate, serving no useful purpose to understand people. 3) The
main truth you could speak would be to acknowledge that the strength,
power, ingenuity of the USA is largely due to the mixture of different
ethnic, religious, and cultural groups.


.....
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also, jews wanna push forth DILUTOCIDE because they fear both the
black masses and white masses. blacks have routinely talked shit
against the jews in the name of black nationalism. and we know whites
did the same too. so, jews want stupid white trash to mix with stupid
black trash and become racially all confused. but, notice that jews
are not pressing for jewish-muslims interfuc*ing in israel. the only
kind of gentiles jews wanna fuc* are blonde shikses so as to prettify
the jewish race.


The reason this holds zero water is because in typical sloppy fashion
you mix unmixable things --skin color and religion/ethnicity--to make
this racist argument. To compare the marriage of a black person and
white person with the marriage of a Jew and Muslim is absurd. Yet
Jewish people marry Arabs all the time, thus rendering your point
lame.

.....
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by the way, race has to be scientifically valid because there can be
no species-ization without race-ization. by this i mean that the
ancestors of chimps and ancestors of men were, at one time, only
different races that grew out of the same common ancestral root. They
had to first grow into different races before growing into different
species.
there is NO WAY POSSIBLE for an organism to deviate into two different
species. it can only deviate into two different races, and the races
can, in time, become two different species if isolated from eachother
for a long period of time.

If all you're trying to show is that people of different ethnicities
and complexions and physical types exist world wide, no one will argue
the point. It's evident everywhere you look.


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take the polar bear which grew out of the brown bear. it's not like
the brown bear suddenly produced a separate bear species called polar
bears. what happened was some brown bears stayed in the arctic and
slowly evolved into a different race of a brown bear. in time, this
separate race of brown bear became a different species altogether.
so, there can be no new species without first creating new races. race
IS a scientific concept. it's only political correctness that
forbids us from saying so.

Even politically correct people are fine with brown and black bears.
Even brown and black people. The racism comes in when one group
starts to believe it is superior to another group simply because of
skin color or ethnicity. Come on--you're white...you're smart enough
to know that.

....
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so, the so-called 'highly educated'
people today should really be called 'highly indoctrinated'. if
education means being taught to think freely and seek the truth,
today's Liberal Eduation is not it. it's about indoctrination. it's
about correctness over truth, not truth over correctness.

What you're talking about isn't even a PC question so it's useless to
keep erecting this straw man.

Quote:

to be sure, there have been many false racial theories--just check out
the Nazis. but, just because some radicals were wrong about race
doesn't mean that race is altogether nonexistent. that's like saying
that since Ptolemy was wrong about the solar system, the solar system
must not exist.

You seem to think there are behavioral differences between different
colored groups because of their color. That's pretty Nazi, Mr.
Murray.
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Posted: Tue Jul 22, 2008 1:13 am
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http://www.davidduke.com/general/jane-shearer-the-defilement-and-deat...

Interesting, thanks. Loved BAD BOYS, hopefully Rick's latest is not as
vile as this article implies...

Certainly is true that whites bend over backwards to portray blacks,
as a group, as much more civilized/intelligent/virtuous, etc. than
they in fact are.
,,,,,,
In 50 years, the races will be so intermixed, racism will be non-
existent. So,when you're bouncing your mixed race grandchildren on
your knee, get back to us.

Tom

50 years?
Don't thinks so. That's not even two generations.

As every American knows, every other American has a little Indian
blood in them. Right? Isn't that what everybody likes to say?
"Yeah, I'm part this and part that and I've also got some Cherokee
blood." Or "my grandmother on my father's side was half Chippewa."
It's usually said with pride. But it turns out to be wishful
thinking. A study came out not that many years ago stating that, no
no no--only a minuscule fraction of the population (other than
Indians) has any Indian blood at all. And just to think--I'd thought
that the kid I'd been bouncing on my knee was part Creek.

Ward Churchill likes to say that.

Ward Churchill is a liar and a fraud.

--
Star Trek 09:

No Shat, No Show.
death from above...
Posted: Tue Jul 22, 2008 4:45 pm
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Quote:

race is not species. there is only one human SPECIES but
many races.

Human race is an expression most people use to describe the set of all
people.  Ever hear it?  Race as you use it is an old, threadbare
social construct.  With the breakthroughs in genome research,
scientists laugh at categorizing people this way.  They look at human
genotypes, not races, and divide people by population.  One doesn't
have to travel very far to see how quickly the old race construct
breaks down between populations within the Americas.  Even by looking
it's hard to know who is who.  In central Asia phenotypes often blur
into one another.


call it race, genotype, or population. the fact is certain groups of
people tend to have a set of traits distinct from others.
i agree 'race' is a term that's used very broadly. it's even used for
nationalities and even religions. and, 'racism' is used this way.
so, if someone attacks muslims, he's called a 'racist' when he's
really a 'religionist'.
but, whatever we call it--'race', 'population', 'genotype'--, there
are group traits that developed amongst a people over time in
isolation from other groups. you can call it whatever, but these
'racial' or 'genotypal' differences are not merely social constructs.
the differences really do exist. so, we can play with terminology,
but the fact remains that west africans share certain genetic traits
which are by and large absent from, say, mexicans. are they of the
same human species? yes, but they are two different peoples who
developed certain unique racial traits in isolation from one another.


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it's like there is only one dog/wolf/coyote species but
there are various races of dogs. (wolf, coyote, and all breeds of dogs
must be considered as being of a single species because they pass the
basic test of speciehood: the offspring of interbreeding is fertile.
horses and donkeys, on the other hand, are not part of one species.
though breeding a horse with a donkey creates a mule, a mule is
infertile. same is true of lions and leopard. the offspring of a lion
and leopard--known as leopon--is infertile.  the offspring of dogs and
wolves or dogs and coyotes, however are fertile).
so, an mexican wolf, a european wolf, a german shepherd, a coyote, a
poodle, a daschund, etc are all part of a single 'dog' speices. but,
they are different. some dogs are faster--greyhounds are fastest.
among the dog family, the wolf and pitbulls are the most powerful.
collies are known for their hyper 'personality'.

People do not divide up into breeds, Mr. Murray.  There isn't a hyper
human type than can be identified by color or ethnicity.

Well, this can be said of dogs/wolves/coyotes as well. After all,
there are many mixed breeds, and no breed is 100% pure. So, we are not
talking of 100% negroes, 100% whites, 100% asians, etc. Even among
blacks, there are many different kinds. And, same can be said of
whites and asians. But, the larger point is that different races or
populations or whatever can be of the same species but can have
certain traits unique to each. Generally, when two populations are
separated over long periods--especially in vastly different
environments--, they are likely to become more and more different
until they may even grow into separate species. So, if whites and
blacks had been separated for a million yrs in very different
environments, they may have developed into separate species. Many of
the early hominids developed out of the same ancestor, but they not
only developed into different races but into different species. Many
scientists think that Homo Sapies and Neanderthals are separate
species of man.

Quote:

chihuahuas tend to
be highstrung and nervous.  golden retrievers tend to be mellow. some
breeds are generally more shy than others. some are more intelligent.

Some have British accents and enslave darker haired dogs, while other
dogs line up an especially hated breed and march them into special
"flea baths" at gunpoint only to later incinerate them in ovens.  At
last count 6 million of one particularly religious breed was
annihilated by German Shepherds.

Now, you're making a moral than a scientific argument. Science has
nothing to do with morality. We can and must apply morality to
science, but they are not the same thing. Scientific truth about man
and animals may be disturbing, but we can choose to discuss the truth
or preach morality. The fact is if you put 6 million chihuahuas with
6 million pitbulls, the pitbulls will commit genocide against the 6
million chihuahuas. That is how the animal world works. There's no
morality there.
And, we humans have wiped out 100s of millions of animals deemed
dangerous to us. And, we use our superiority in intelligence to
slaughter billions of animals to eat meat. Mankind has been genocidal
to animals deemed dangerous to us. Even to grow food, we kill off
animals that are a threat to agriculture. And, animals kill one
another by the bushel for the purpose of survival.
And, the Bantu stock people of Africa--bigger, meaner, and more
aggressive--have committed massive genocide against other racial or
ethnic stocks in Africa. Much of Southern Africa had been populated by
people who looked like today's Bushmen. But, most of them were wiped
out by the Bantus. Homo Sapiens wiped out the Neanderthals.

In much of America and Brazil, the physically stronger blacks have
been terrorizing and driving out non-blacks in what can be called low-
level ethnic cleansing--white flight was caused mostly be black crime
and violence. In Calfornia, Hispanics are fighting back and driving
out blacks. Though blacks are bigger and stronger than Hispanics,
Hispanics far outnumber blacks in California. Also, as Hispanics feel
no racial guilt toward blacks, they don't mind joining together to
whup the blacks. In many cases, 10 to 20 mexicans will jump a single
negro.

Now, should humanity act this way? I don't think so, but much of
humanity still thinks and acts this way. People naturally feel closer
to those who look, sound, and feel like themselves. But, that is a
moral issue, not a scientific issue.
The problem with the discussion on race is that there's too much
liberal moral do-gooderism getting in the way of genuine science. It's
good to call for peace, understanding, and social harmony, but one of
the reason why such has been elusive is because there are racial
differences.

Now, race CAN be a crazy social construct. Just look at the Nazis.
They had such funny dumb theories that they could not acknowledge the
humanity of Poles and Russians who shared much the same DNA. Nazis
were a people who did not want to get along with other people.
But, even well-intentioned liberal whites in the US have problems with
blacks. They fear the aggressive behavior and physical power of the
negro, especially since so many blacks are violence-prone. Also,
blacks are more likely to act up and act crazy because they know they
can kick the white boy's ass. So, blacks in a movie theater will make
all the noise they want in full knowledge that the white boy--liberal
or conservative--will not protest lest he have his ass kicked by
blacks after the movie. So, race as a false social construct can be
poisonous but equally dangerous is the notion is that race is purely a
myth. If race is purely a myth, just look at the crime stats in
communities where blacks co-exist with Vietnamese Americans. Though
they are of same economic status, the violence is 99 to 1 black on
Vietnamese. Why is this? It's because blacks tend to be taller, more
muscular, and more aggressive while your average Vietnamese is a short
skin and bones. Of course, there are short scrawny blacks, and there
are tall strong Vietnamese. But, there are far more likely to be funky
powerful negroes and short scrawny Vietnamese.


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they were all bred differently forces of nature and/or by man.  if you
take a 100 pitbulls and mix them with 100 poodles, pitbulls will
become the alphamales of the community while poodle males will become
pussified betamales.  there will be far more pitbull-on-poodle
violence than vice versa. there will be far more male pitbull-on-
female-poodle sex than male-poodle-on-female-pitbull sex.
and, we can see the same results in racial relations in the US.  up
until the 60s, the natural racial dynamic in America had been
suppressed because whites stuck together and used social, economic,
and political means to keep blacks inferior as a group. but, ever
since those artificial barriers have been lowered,blacks have been
outbeating and outfucking honkeys.  most fights between blacks and
whites have blacks whupping the slow white boy.  more and more white
girls willfully choose black males because women worship power and
want to be with a strong negro stud than a faggotyass slow flabby
white boy.
....
 if the ONLY difference between whites and blacks is skin
color, we wouldn't have the kind of problems we see today.  whites
fear blacks because blacks are stronger. whites worship blacks because
blacks are more badass, and funkier.  lame white boys bow at the feet
of black athletes, bluesmen,and jazz masters.
so, what we are seeing is natural racism in action.

Social conditioning.  Just as race is a social construct, so this kind
of behavior is socially conditioned and constructed. Without all the
theories and counter theories and court decisions and enslavement and
Jim Crow and media stories, whites and blacks in America would treat
each other in the way blacks and Hispanics treat each other or
Hispanics and whites.  That is, pretty regular.

But, most Mexicans suffered oppression far worse than blacks. Only
300,000 blacks were brought to the US as slaves and they grew to be 35
million. In what is now the Latin Americas, there were estimated to
have been 65 million natives. European disease killed 60 million of
them!!! The rest were enslaved and made to work for centuries in vast
farms owned by white landlords. Their women were routinely raped,
which is how the mestizos came about. The same pattern happened all
over Latin America. Even today, most Latin American nations have
whites at top, mestizos in the middle, and indians at the bottom.
And, these have caused social problems. There is a legacy of slavery
and oppression in the Latin Americas. So, I would agree that racial
history in the US has something to do with current racial reality.
But, there is much more, and here we have to look at biology.
Your average Mexican is less problematic than a black to a white man--
in Mexico or in the US--because he's not physically powerful nor as
naturally aggressive as blacks. Hispanics can be a cultural,
political, or social problem to America but Mexicans, as individuals,
don't pose an existential or individaul threat to white Americans or
white Mexicans--despite the fact that white Hispanics had enslaved the
natives longer than whites in America enslaved the blacks.

Also, American whites treated Chinese Americans and Japanese Americans
horribly. 10% of Chinese-Americans who worked on the railroads
perished--this is almost Soviet Gulag statistics. And, their living
conditions were far worse than what blacks got in the same period. Far
more Chinese died in late 19th century America than all the blacks who
were lynched from 1850 to 1960. And, Japanese-Americans were racially
targeted, dispossessed, and imprisoned in WWII. And, there have been
anti-Asian stereotypes of all sorts. But, if some angry chink or jap
walked up to a white guy who's walking with his girlfriend, the white
guy would have 60/40 chance of whupping the yellow bastard.
But, if an angry black guy wanted to whup a white boy, the white boy
would have only 1/20 chance of winning. I've seen too many white/
black fights in Chicago to know. Blacks can easily kick white boy's
ass.

So, while there's some truth to history and society, biology cannot be
discounted as to why blacks are fearsome and whites are fearful. Sure,
we can say blacks act tough and shit because they are merely following
racial stereotypes. But, the stereotype of the tough black guy grew
out of racial reality. Jack Johnson kicked white boys in 4
continents.
Now, Asians too have a badass stereotype of the bruce lee shit. But,
just look at "Enter the Dragon". Minus Bruce Lee and Bolo, all the
Asians in the movie are pathetic scrawny dweebs.
This is why despite all the kung fu karate shit, the prevailing
realistic stereotype of the Asian-American is some computer geek.



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 By the way, how does
the dog thing mix with the badass funky bluesmen meeting lame white
boys?  Do I get more lame if I am the offspring of white people?

yes. whites produce less testasterone so their voices are not as
powerful as those of blacks. This is why black comediasn love to make
fun of the dweeby nasal white guy. Asians are even more nasal and
dweeby. Just check out jap rap or jap blues. It's even more pathetic
than white people doing it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=99V2icgyNEw
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c6WvgxaaHMo

it's laughable. of course, there's no reason to use the negro
yardstick for cultural achievement.
indeed, most of the greatest artists have been 'lame' by black
standards. mahler, brahms, tchaikovsky, sibelius, john ford, akira
kurosawa, etc were not jiveass badass mofo but great artists.

Quote:
 What
happened to being LESS lame and more the trailblazer adventurer nation
builder inventor pioneer Admiral if you came from whites?

by 'lame', i'm using the negro yardstick of hipness and coolness. in
most cases, being 'lame' is better than being badass. Most germans are
lame but Germany is a great successful nation. Most africans are hip,
badass, and wild and...well, just look at the state of africa. i'd
rather live in a neighborhood of 'lame' polite people than badass
jiveass mofos. so, 'lame' is good in my book.

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....

nature is racist
in that it created different races under different conditions.
africa, with its hot climate and dangerous animals, created people who
are lean in fat, muscular, and aggressive.

How is that racist?  It has nothing to do with racism.

if you mean 'racism' as bigotry, then it's not racism. i use racism
to mean RACE + ISM. It simply means that races--or whatever you wanna
call it--exist, and that DIFFERENCES exist among races. since nature
produced different traits among the races, nature can be said to be
racist. if nature is anti-racist, it should have creatd all races the
same. but, nature favored some races to be stronger, some races to be
bigger, some races to be more extroverted, some to be more
introverted, some to be more intelligent(ashkenazi jews are the
smartest).

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 the cold climate in the
north created asiatics who are more prone to group activity and
consensus. and asians developed greater fat-to-muscle ratio because
fat was necessary for insulation.  whites are somewhere in between.

Nothing racist about it.

it's racist not in the pejorative sense but simply in the sense that
nature did not create all races equally. if 'racism' means belief
that races are not all equal, then nature is racist because it created
different populations with different traits.

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now, white boys don't wanna face the truth because (1) it's depressing
(2) they've been indoctrinated that race is a myth and (3) that
speaking truth to black reality and power is evil and 'racist'.

.
I'm going to assume that you have some black blood even if it's just a
trace.  Do you find that so depressing?  Probably not.  2)  Race is
non-existent as a way of classifying people, not a false myth. It is
inaccurate, serving no useful purpose to understand people.  3)  The
main truth you could speak would be to acknowledge that the strength,
power, ingenuity of the USA is largely due to the mixture of different
ethnic, religious, and cultural groups.


i sho done luvs my watermelon and fried chicken so i mus hab some
black blood. but, since i's cants change no lightbulb, i sho must have
some polish blood. but, i sho wants to ride a horse and eat yogurt so
i mus have some mongol blood.

now, you say the strength of america is due to racial diversity. THAT
is proof of racism--the belief that not all races are equal. if all
races were equal, diversity would have no value. diversity is a plus
ONLY because races are different. So, in the area of science and high
tech, it's a plus for the US to have the smart jews. in sports, it's a
plus to have the strong negroes. the manhattan project was nearly all
jewish, and the US 100 sprint teams at the olympics have been all
black since as far as i can remember.
but, for every plus, there is a minus. the smart jews look down on us
and manipulate us in many ways. they've gained near total control over
the academia and media, the braincenters of america. and, for every
great negro athlete, there are 1000 black criminals roaming the street
to kick our ass. 50% of black males are or have been in jail. so,
for every jesse owens, we have to deal with a 1000 badass mofos in the
street.


Quote:
....

also, jews wanna push forth DILUTOCIDE because they fear both the
black masses and white masses. blacks have routinely talked shit
against the jews in the name of black nationalism. and we know whites
did the same too.  so, jews want stupid white trash to mix with stupid
black trash and become racially all confused.  but, notice that jews
are not pressing for jewish-muslims interfuc*ing in israel.   the only
kind of gentiles jews wanna fuc* are blonde shikses so as to prettify
the jewish race.

The reason this holds zero water is because in typical sloppy fashion
you mix unmixable things --skin color and religion/ethnicity--to make
this racist argument.   To compare the marriage of a black person and
white person with the marriage of a Jew and Muslim is absurd.  Yet
Jewish people marry Arabs all the time, thus rendering your point
lame.


but, there is a genetic basis for jewishness, and this has been
proven. this is because judaism has been an ethno-religion rather than
a credo-religion. a credo-religion is something anyone can believe in.
anyone can convert to be a christian or muslim or buddhist. but for
1000s of yrs, judaism was a blood religion. your mother had to be
jewish for you to be jewish. so, there is a genetic basis for
jewishness. of course in more modern times, reform judaism allows non-
jews to convert to judaism, but few do. so, judaism was a racial
religion.
Treadleson...
Posted: Tue Jul 22, 2008 6:19 pm
Guest
On Jul 22, 10:45 pm, death from above <cerebureaucr... at (no spam) hotmail.com>
wrote:
Quote:
race is not species. there is only one human SPECIES but
many races.

Human race is an expression most people use to describe the set of all
people. Ever hear it? Race as you use it is an old, threadbare
social construct. With the breakthroughs in genome research,
scientists laugh at categorizing people this way. They look at human
genotypes, not races, and divide people by population. One doesn't
have to travel very far to see how quickly the old race construct
breaks down between populations within the Americas. Even by looking
it's hard to know who is who. In central Asia phenotypes often blur
into one another.

call it race, genotype, or population. the fact is certain groups of
people tend to have a set of traits distinct from others.
i agree 'race' is a term that's used very broadly. it's even used for
nationalities and even religions. and, 'racism' is used this way.
so, if someone attacks muslims, he's called a 'racist' when he's
really a 'religionist'.
but, whatever we call it--'race', 'population', 'genotype'--, there
are group traits that developed amongst a people over time in
isolation from other groups. you can call it whatever, but these
'racial' or 'genotypal' differences are not merely social constructs.
the differences really do exist. so, we can play with terminology,
but the fact remains that west africans share certain genetic traits
which are by and large absent from, say, mexicans. are they of the
same human species? yes, but they are two different peoples who
developed certain unique racial traits in isolation from one another.



it's like there is only one dog/wolf/coyote species but
there are various races of dogs. (wolf, coyote, and all breeds of dogs
must be considered as being of a single species because they pass the
basic test of speciehood: the offspring of interbreeding is fertile.
horses and donkeys, on the other hand, are not part of one species.
though breeding a horse with a donkey creates a mule, a mule is
infertile. same is true of lions and leopard. the offspring of a lion
and leopard--known as leopon--is infertile. the offspring of dogs and
wolves or dogs and coyotes, however are fertile).
so, an mexican wolf, a european wolf, a german shepherd, a coyote, a
poodle, a daschund, etc are all part of a single 'dog' speices. but,
they are different. some dogs are faster--greyhounds are fastest.
among the dog family, the wolf and pitbulls are the most powerful.
collies are known for their hyper 'personality'.

People do not divide up into breeds, Mr. Murray. There isn't a hyper
human type than can be identified by color or ethnicity.

Well, this can be said of dogs/wolves/coyotes as well. After all,
there are many mixed breeds, and no breed is 100% pure.
........
So, we are not
talking of 100% negroes, 100% whites, 100% asians, etc. Even among
blacks, there are many different kinds. And, same can be said of
whites and asians.

And this is exactly where your whole racial theory falls apart. There
is so much blending and blurring that the racial category was
abandoned. Everybody has traits of many groups and many ethnicities.

Quote:
But, the larger point is that different races or
populations or whatever can be of the same species but can have
certain traits unique to each. Generally, when two populations are
separated over long periods--especially in vastly different
environments--, they are likely to become more and more different
until they may even grow into separate species. So, if whites and
blacks had been separated for a million yrs in very different
environments, they may have developed into separate species. Many of
the early hominids developed out of the same ancestor, but they not
only developed into different races but into different species. Many
scientists think that Homo Sapies and Neanderthals are separate
species of man.

This is abstract and theoretical. The real world is not like this.

Quote:



chihuahuas tend to
be highstrung and nervous. golden retrievers tend to be mellow. some
breeds are generally more shy than others. some are more intelligent.

Some have British accents and enslave darker haired dogs, while other
dogs line up an especially hated breed and march them into special
"flea baths" at gunpoint only to later incinerate them in ovens. At
last count 6 million of one particularly religious breed was
annihilated by German Shepherds.

Now, you're making a moral than a scientific argument. Science has
nothing to do with morality. We can and must apply morality to
science, but they are not the same thing. Scientific truth about man
and animals may be disturbing, but we can choose to discuss the truth
or preach morality.
......
The fact is if you put 6 million chihuahuas with
6 million pitbulls, the pitbulls will commit genocide against the 6
million chihuahuas. That is how the animal world works. There's no
morality there.

Except that in my example, the murders were committed by rational
people for their religious and political ideology. A pit bull doesn't
kill a chihuahua because he believes that the little dogs control
banking, contaminate culture, are Socialists and engineered the
Versailles treaty. So--in the case of humans it's all morality.

Quote:
And, we humans have wiped out 100s of millions of animals deemed
dangerous to us. And, we use our superiority in intelligence to
slaughter billions of animals to eat meat. Mankind has been genocidal
to animals deemed dangerous to us. Even to grow food, we kill off
animals that are a threat to agriculture. And, animals kill one
another by the bushel for the purpose of survival.
And, the Bantu stock people of Africa--bigger, meaner, and more
aggressive--have committed massive genocide against other racial or
ethnic stocks in Africa. Much of Southern Africa had been populated by
people who looked like today's Bushmen. But, most of them were wiped
out by the Bantus. Homo Sapiens wiped out the Neanderthals.

In much of America and Brazil, the physically stronger blacks have
been terrorizing and driving out non-blacks in what can be called low-
level ethnic cleansing--white flight was caused mostly be black crime
and violence. In Calfornia, Hispanics are fighting back and driving
out blacks. Though blacks are bigger and stronger than Hispanics,
Hispanics far outnumber blacks in California. Also, as Hispanics feel
no racial guilt toward blacks, they don't mind joining together to
whup the blacks. In many cases, 10 to 20 mexicans will jump a single
negro.
....
Now, should humanity act this way? I don't think so, but much of
humanity still thinks and acts this way. People naturally feel closer
to those who look, sound, and feel like themselves. But, that is a
moral issue, not a scientific issue.

Birds of a feather flock together. Except that the feathers don't
even have to be skin type. For more than two thousand years people
have aggregated based on ideology and religion. This is how Muslims
and Catholics--to name just two--can happily have devout members that
cross every skin color and genotype.


Quote:
The problem with the discussion on race is that there's too much
liberal moral do-gooderism getting in the way of genuine science.

What you're doing isn't scientific because it overlooks a huge amount
of empirical data and because it applies dog habits to humans who kill
each other for ethnic as well as ideological reasons. Surely you know
that Nazis usually needed a passport to know whether or not their
fellow European was Jewish. It wasn't self evident.

....
Quote:
It's
good to call for peace, understanding, and social harmony, but one of
the reason why such has been elusive is because there are racial
differences.

The Shiites and Sunnis of Iraq are of the same "race" as you use it.
So were the Catholic and Protestant Europeans who slaughtered each
other in the wars of the Reformation.

.....
Quote:
Now, race CAN be a crazy social construct. Just look at the Nazis.
They had such funny dumb theories that they could not acknowledge the
humanity of Poles and Russians who shared much the same DNA. Nazis
were a people who did not want to get along with other people.
But, even well-intentioned liberal whites in the US have problems with
blacks. They fear the aggressive behavior and physical power of the
negro, especially since so many blacks are violence-prone. Also,
blacks are more likely to act up and act crazy because they know they
can kick the white boy's ass. So, blacks in a movie theater will make
all the noise they want in full knowledge that the white boy--liberal
or conservative--will not protest lest he have his ass kicked by
blacks after the movie.

I get pretty nervous when the white baseball fans in the stadium
around me start yelling and whooping and throwing things and
threatening players on the field who are in a slump. Have you spent
anytime with white football fans in the parking lot? How many heavy
metal rock concerts have you gone to? My observation is that the
other white boys--liberal or conservative--don't protest this at all.
......

Quote:
So, race as a false social construct can be
poisonous but equally dangerous is the notion is that race is purely a
myth. If race is purely a myth, just look at the crime stats in
communities where blacks co-exist with Vietnamese Americans. Though
they are of same economic status, the violence is 99 to 1 black on
Vietnamese. Why is this? It's because blacks tend to be taller, more
muscular, and more aggressive while your average Vietnamese is a short
skin and bones. Of course, there are short scrawny blacks, and there
are tall strong Vietnamese. But, there are far more likely to be funky
powerful negroes and short scrawny Vietnamese.

Is that what happened when black Americans were other in their
country, in Vietnam? I thought it was the Vietnamese kicking American
ass, black AND white. Who was scared there?
Quote:





they were all bred differently forces of nature and/or by man. if you
take a 100 pitbulls and mix them with 100 poodles, pitbulls will
become the alphamales of the community while poodle males will become
pussified betamales. there will be far more pitbull-on-poodle
violence than vice versa. there will be far more male pitbull-on-
female-poodle sex than male-poodle-on-female-pitbull sex.
and, we can see the same results in racial relations in the US. up
until the 60s, the natural racial dynamic in America had been
suppressed because whites stuck together and used social, economic,
and political means to keep blacks inferior as a group. but, ever
since those artificial barriers have been lowered,blacks have been
outbeating and outfucking honkeys. most fights between blacks and
whites have blacks whupping the slow white boy. more and more white
girls willfully choose black males because women worship power and
want to be with a strong negro stud than a faggotyass slow flabby
white boy.
....
if the ONLY difference between whites and blacks is skin
color, we wouldn't have the kind of problems we see today. whites
fear blacks because blacks are stronger. whites worship blacks because
blacks are more badass, and funkier. lame white boys bow at the feet
of black athletes, bluesmen,and jazz masters.
so, what we are seeing is natural racism in action.

Social conditioning. Just as race is a social construct, so this kind
of behavior is socially conditioned and constructed. Without all the
theories and counter theories and court decisions and enslavement and
Jim Crow and media stories, whites and blacks in America would treat
each other in the way blacks and Hispanics treat each other or
Hispanics and whites. That is, pretty regular.

But, most Mexicans suffered oppression far worse than blacks. Only
300,000 blacks were brought to the US as slaves and they grew to be 35
million. In what is now the Latin Americas,
...

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death from above...
Posted: Fri Jul 25, 2008 3:55 pm
Guest
On Jul 22, 11:19 pm, Treadleson <treadl... at (no spam) aol.com> wrote:
Quote:
On Jul 22, 10:45 pm, death from above <cerebureaucr... at (no spam) hotmail.com
wrote:

race is not species. there is only one human SPECIES but
many races.

Human race is an expression most people use to describe the set of all
people.  Ever hear it?  Race as you use it is an old, threadbare
social construct.  With the breakthroughs in genome research,
scientists laugh at categorizing people this way.  They look at human
genotypes, not races, and divide people by population.  One doesn't
have to travel very far to see how quickly the old race construct
breaks down between populations within the Americas.  Even by looking
it's hard to know who is who.  In central Asia phenotypes often blur
into one another.

call it race, genotype, or population. the fact is certain groups of
people tend to have a set of traits distinct from others.
i agree 'race' is a term that's used very broadly.  it's even used for
nationalities and even religions.  and,  'racism' is used this way.
so, if someone attacks muslims, he's called a 'racist' when he's
really a 'religionist'.
but, whatever we call it--'race', 'population', 'genotype'--, there
are group traits that developed amongst a people over time in
isolation from other groups.  you can call it whatever, but these
'racial' or 'genotypal' differences are not merely social constructs.
the differences really do exist.  so, we can play with terminology,
but the fact remains that west africans share certain genetic traits
which are by and large absent from, say, mexicans.  are they of the
same human species? yes, but they are two different peoples who
developed certain unique racial traits in isolation from one another.

it's like there is only one dog/wolf/coyote species but
there are various races of dogs. (wolf, coyote, and all breeds of dogs
must be considered as being of a single species because they pass the
basic test of speciehood: the offspring of interbreeding is fertile..
horses and donkeys, on the other hand, are not part of one species.
though breeding a horse with a donkey creates a mule, a mule is
infertile. same is true of lions and leopard. the offspring of a lion
and leopard--known as leopon--is infertile.  the offspring of dogs and
wolves or dogs and coyotes, however are fertile).
so, an mexican wolf, a european wolf, a german shepherd, a coyote, a
poodle, a daschund, etc are all part of a single 'dog' speices. but,
they are different. some dogs are faster--greyhounds are fastest.
among the dog family, the wolf and pitbulls are the most powerful.
collies are known for their hyper 'personality'.

People do not divide up into breeds, Mr. Murray.  There isn't a hyper
human type than can be identified by color or ethnicity.

Well, this can be said of dogs/wolves/coyotes as well. After all,
there are many mixed breeds, and no breed is 100% pure.
........
So, we are not
talking of 100% negroes, 100% whites, 100% asians, etc.  Even among
blacks, there are many different kinds. And, same can be said of
whites and asians.

And this is exactly where your whole racial theory falls apart.  There
is so much blending and blurring that the racial category was
abandoned.  Everybody has traits of many groups and many ethnicities.

again, you confuse race with species. as long as there are only
different races, they can interbreed or become blurred. but, the
creation of different races is the first stage in the development of
new species. all humans are still of the same species. all non-
africans left africa only 80,000 yrs ago. and asians and caucasians
got divided up some 70,000 yrs ago, and, asians and american-indians
got divided some 30,000 yrs ago.
so, human races were not divided and isolated from one another long
enough to develop into separate species. but, development of different
races is the first step in that direction.

you agree that chimps and humans had the same ape ancestors. but, the
racial branch that eventually became the chimp and the racial branch
that eventually developed into man were, at one time, only different
races. there was much 'racial blurring' between the two. when the
ancestor ape of both the chimp and man first began to branch off into
different races, the various races had much in common--just as all
human races have much in common today. but, eventually, those races of
apes turned into different species of apes--chimps, oranguatans,
gorillas, gibbons, and the hominids that turned into man.

also, race is also no myth because it's somewhat harder for
interracial unions to lead to pregnancy than intra-racial unions.
a white and a white or asian and asian or black and black will have a
better chance at procreation than black and white, asian and black,
etc.

also, even if we are part of the same species and we have in common
all around the world, certain racial differences are quite marked and
significant. it's no wonder that little cuba produced more formidable
boxers than all of europe or white america. it's no wonder that little
jamaica produced more great runners than all of china and india with
combined population of 2.3 billion.

Quote:

But, the larger point is that different races or
populations or whatever can be of the same species but can have
certain traits unique to each. Generally, when two populations are
separated over long periods--especially in vastly different
environments--, they are likely to become more and more different
until they may even grow into separate species. So, if whites and
blacks had been separated for a million yrs in very different
environments, they may have developed into separate species.  Many of
the early hominids developed out of the same ancestor, but they not
only developed into different races but into different species.  Many
scientists think that Homo Sapies and Neanderthals are separate
species of man.

This is abstract and theoretical.  The real world is not like this.


that's exactly how it happened.

Quote:




chihuahuas tend to
be highstrung and nervous.  golden retrievers tend to be mellow. some
breeds are generally more shy than others. some are more intelligent.

Some have British accents and enslave darker haired dogs, while other
dogs line up an especially hated breed and march them into special
"flea baths" at gunpoint only to later incinerate them in ovens.  At
last count 6 million of one particularly religious breed was
annihilated by German Shepherds.

Now, you're making a moral than a scientific argument. Science has
nothing to do with morality. We can and must apply morality to
science, but they are not the same thing. Scientific truth about man
and animals may be disturbing, but we can choose to discuss the truth
or preach morality.
......
The fact is if you put 6 million chihuahuas with
6 million pitbulls, the pitbulls will commit genocide against the 6
million chihuahuas. That is how the animal world works. There's no
morality there.

Except that in my example, the murders were committed by rational
people for their religious and political ideology.  A pit bull doesn't
kill a chihuahua because he believes that the little dogs control
banking, contaminate culture, are Socialists and engineered the
Versailles treaty.  So--in the case of humans it's all morality.


but, race had much to do with nazism. germans resented the fact that
jews were smarter and thus gained tremendous wealth and power. also,
it was because jews were smarter that they held non-jews in such
contempt and used them as guinea pigs in their radical experiment
called communism. also, it was because jews looked down on non-jews
that they felt no remorse in exploiting goyim. in the middle ages,
jews were among the main businessmen selling european slaves to the
middle east.
also, there was much sexual tension between jews and germans. germans
were more handsome than the jews, and short hairy jewish men lusted
after shikses, buying 'aryan' pussy with money and molesting and
raping countless german housemaids. Jews in hollywood still do this.
they use dimwit white shikses as sex slaves. jewish produces promise
all these girls careers in entertainment, make them suck jewish cock
and swallow jewish cum, and then get them addicted to drugs, and dump
them to the porno industry--also owned by jews. of course, we mean
leftwing and liberal jews as conservative and patriotic jews are good
people and respect goyim.
many germans looked like arnold schwarzenegger and ursual andress.
many jews looked like chico marx or ruth baird ginsburg. germans are
racially prettier and jews are racially smarter. both folks are
proud. pretty germans didn't want to be ruled by ugly smart jews, and
smart jews wanted to rule over 'dumb' goyim. we see the SAME pattern
in the US. hollywood is owned by jews and recruit shikses to act
skanky and to suck jewish cock.

Quote:


And, we humans have wiped out 100s of millions of animals deemed
dangerous to us. And, we use our superiority in intelligence to
slaughter billions of animals to eat meat. Mankind has been genocidal
to animals deemed dangerous to us. Even to grow food, we kill off
animals that are a threat to agriculture. And, animals kill one
another by the bushel for the purpose of survival.
And, the Bantu stock people of Africa--bigger, meaner, and more
aggressive--have committed massive genocide against other racial or
ethnic stocks in Africa. Much of Southern Africa had been populated by
people who looked like today's Bushmen. But, most of them were wiped
out by the Bantus.  Homo Sapiens wiped out the Neanderthals.

In much of America and Brazil, the physically stronger blacks have
been terrorizing and driving out non-blacks in what can be called low-
level ethnic cleansing--white flight was caused mostly be black crime
and violence.  In Calfornia, Hispanics are fighting back and driving
out blacks. Though blacks are bigger and stronger than Hispanics,
Hispanics far outnumber blacks in California. Also, as Hispanics feel
no racial guilt toward blacks, they don't mind joining together to
whup the blacks.  In many cases, 10 to 20 mexicans will jump a single
negro.
....
Now, should humanity act this way?  I don't think so, but much of
humanity still thinks and acts this way. People naturally feel closer
to those who look, sound, and feel like themselves. But, that is a
moral issue, not a scientific issue.

Birds of a feather flock together.  Except that the feathers don't
even have to be skin type.  For more than two thousand years people
have aggregated based on ideology and religion.  This is how Muslims
and Catholics--to name just two--can happily have devout members that
cross every skin color and genotype.


blood and soil always proved to be more powerful than ideology or even
religion. russia and china were both communist but split apart.
people prefer to be united by blood and/or soil than for any other
reason. biology matters.


Quote:
The problem with the discussion on race is that there's too much
liberal moral do-gooderism getting in the way of genuine science.

What you're doing isn't scientific because it overlooks a huge amount
of empirical data and because it applies dog habits to humans who kill
each other for ethnic as well as ideological reasons.  Surely you know
that Nazis usually needed a passport to know whether or not their
fellow European was Jewish.  It wasn't self evident.


in many cases, it was hard to tell whether a person was jewish because
many jews had mixed with goyim. but, in most cases, jews were easy to
spot because of their hooked nose, sloping foreheads, and frizzy
hair. woody allen, alan dershawitz, the marx brothers, mel brooks,
etc, etc are unmistakably jewish. but, mixed race jews are harder to
spot. take paul newman, who looks like a cross between the very
jewish looking norman mailer and very goyish robert redford. his
mother was catholic.

Quote:
....

It's
good to call for peace, understanding, and social harmony, but one of
the reason why such has been elusive is because there are racial
differences.

The Shiites and Sunnis of Iraq are of the same "race" as you use it.
So were the Catholic and Protestant Europeans who slaughtered each
other in the wars of the Reformation.


but, religious and ideological differences can be put aside. racial
differences are harder to ignore. there was a civil war in russia,
spain, and china between the right and the left in the 20th century.
but, those differences have been resolved. today, all spanish are
spanish, all russians are russians, and all chinese are chinese. so,
ideologies can pass. but, race is a tougher matter. suppose americans
had brought over white slaves instead of black slaves. descendants of
masters and slaves--being of same race--would have blended in
together--just as descendants of masters and serfs in russia have
blended together. but, american whites enslaved a people of another
race, a people of a meaner, fiercer, and physically stronger race.
so, we have problems still to this day. ideology is all in the heads.
peoples minds can change. but, skin color, muscle tone, facial
structures, etc remain constant among racial groups. that is harder
to overcome, especially when the minority is large and hard to swallow
up racially into the majority.

Quote:
.....

Now, race CAN be a crazy social construct. Just look at the Nazis.
They had such funny dumb theories that they could not acknowledge the
humanity of Poles and Russians who shared much the same DNA.  Nazis
were a people who did not want to get along with other people.
But, even well-intentioned liberal whites in the US have problems with
blacks. They fear the aggressive behavior and physical power of the
negro, especially since so many blacks are violence-prone. Also,
blacks are more likely to act up and act crazy because they know they
can kick the white boy's ass. So, blacks in a movie theater will make
all the noise they want in full knowledge that the white boy--liberal
or conservative--will not protest lest he have his ass kicked by
blacks after the movie.

I get pretty nervous when the white baseball fans in the stadium
around me start yelling and whooping and throwing things and
threatening players on the field who are in a slump.  Have you spent
anytime with white football fans in the parking lot?  How many heavy
metal rock concerts have you gone to?  My observation is that the
other white boys--liberal or conservative--don't protest this at all.

all races can act crazy and horrible. just look at chinese during the
cultural revolution. just look at british soccer fans. so, i'm not
saying blacks are crazy and whites are sane. i'm saying black
craziness can be even crazier than white craziness. i've seen a lot
of crazy white people, but no folks be as crazy as blacks. even
blacks feel more intimidated by crazy blacks than by crazy whites.

Quote:
......

So, race as a false social construct can be
poisonous but equally dangerous is the notion is that race is purely a
myth.   If race is purely a myth, just look at the crime stats in
communities where blacks co-exist with Vietnamese Americans. Though
they are of same economic status, the violence is 99 to 1 black on
Vietnamese. Why is this? It's because blacks tend to be taller, more
muscular, and more aggressive while your average Vietnamese is a short
skin and bones. Of course, there are short scrawny blacks, and there
are tall strong Vietnamese. But, there are far more likely to be funky
powerful negroes and short scrawny Vietnamese.

Is that what happened when black Americans were other in their
country, in Vietnam?  I thought it was the Vietnamese kicking American
ass, black AND white.  Who was scared there?

they fought with guns. even so, the kill ratio between US and
vietnamese was 1 to 100. for every american dead, 100 viets died.
and, i recall hanging around chicago when boat people kids were just
arriving in the late 70s. they got their asses kicked by blacks on
every block. of course, black brutality was never reported in the
news owned by liberal jews.
 
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