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| M.C. Williams... |
 Posted: Fri Jul 18, 2008 4:02 pm |
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I have run my own back yard tests by shooting both cartridges through
a gallon jug of water into soaked paper at 150 yards. The guns were a
CZ527 in 7.62x39 and a Winchester M94ae. The ammo was Win 7.62x39SP and
Rem 170 core-lokt.
Although the 7.62x39 may have a slightly flatter trajectory in is NOT
as powerful as a .30-30 regardless of ballistic tables, and at the
distances they would be used the difference in trajectory would not
matter.
In my tests the .30-30 blew up the jugs much better, made obviously
bigger and deeper holes in the soaked paper and always penetrated at
least 6 inches deeper in the paper than the 7.62x39, also the expanded
30-30s had a much broader mushroom.
This is not to say that the 7.62x39 isn't OK for deer but it is NOT
equal to the .30-30 in power, as you probably know FPE doesn't always
tell the whole story as evidenced by .44mag rifles, they are the full
equal of the .30-30 but usually have less penetration, but make bigger
holes.
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| Bluehawk99... |
| Posted: Sat Jul 19, 2008 2:05 pm |
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Perhaps if you ran the test over again useing bullets of equal
weight...150 grains...you might have an entirely different outcome!
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| Posted: Sat Jul 19, 2008 2:06 pm |
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On Jul 18, 8:02 pm, UNCLEMO... at (no spam) webtv.net (M.C. Williams) wrote:
# I have run my own back yard tests by shooting both cartridges through
# a gallon jug of water into soaked paper at 150 yards. The guns were a
# CZ527 in 7.62x39 and a Winchester M94ae. The ammo was Win 7.62x39SP and
# Rem 170 core-lokt.
# Although the 7.62x39 may have a slightly flatter trajectory in is NOT
# as powerful as a .30-30 regardless of ballistic tables, and at the
# distances they would be used the difference in trajectory would not
# matter.
# In my tests the .30-30 blew up the jugs much better, made obviously
# bigger and deeper holes in the soaked paper and always penetrated at
# least 6 inches deeper in the paper than the 7.62x39, also the expanded
# 30-30s had a much broader mushroom.
# This is not to say that the 7.62x39 isn't OK for deer but it is NOT
# equal to the .30-30 in power, as you probably know FPE doesn't always
# tell the whole story as evidenced by .44mag rifles, they are the full
# equal of the .30-30 but usually have less penetration, but make bigger
# holes.
#
A lot depends on the bullet construction and there's more than a
century of development on the .30-30's side. It'll also fire a much
heavier bullet and was designed for shooting game. 7.62x39 was
designed for shooting at people and not necessarily killing them.
It'll probably do OK for shooting deer at .30-30 distances with decent
expanding bullets, but finding such ammo can be hard to do unless you
handload it. Haven't seen any "premium" hunting ammo for 7.62x39. The
thing that the 7.62x39 had going for it was the availability of cheap
guns and cheap ammo, those days are over.
Any deer I shot with a .44 rifle had two holes, one .44 caliber on one
side and about a 1-2" one on the other. Penetration was NOT a
problem. Again, bullet construction. Most are made for handguns and
lower velocities and will explosively expand at carbine velocities.
Stan
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| David R.Birch... |
| Posted: Sun Jul 20, 2008 12:57 am |
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stans4 at (no spam) prolynx.com wrote:
# A lot depends on the bullet construction and there's more than a
# century of development on the .30-30's side. It'll also fire a much
# heavier bullet and was designed for shooting game. 7.62x39 was
# designed for shooting at people and not necessarily killing them.
# It'll probably do OK for shooting deer at .30-30 distances with decent
# expanding bullets, but finding such ammo can be hard to do unless you
# handload it. Haven't seen any "premium" hunting ammo for 7.62x39. The
# thing that the 7.62x39 had going for it was the availability of cheap
# guns and cheap ammo, those days are over.
The two young ladies I hunt with both use SKSs with widely available
Winchester SP ammo. They have taken more than half a dozen deer within
100 yards, all with one shot kills. No premium ammo needed, just
premium shooters.
David
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| Alex Cunningham... |
| Posted: Mon Jul 21, 2008 12:10 pm |
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7.62 is the bullet diameter. In inches it is .308". The 39 is the length of
the cartridge case in millimetres which equals 1.535". It really does not
have an Imperial measurement designation.
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| David R.Birch... |
| Posted: Mon Jul 21, 2008 2:17 pm |
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Ed Cregger wrote:
# "David R.Birch" <dbirch at (no spam) wi.rr.com> wrote in message
# news:g5v5m0$ipi$1 at (no spam) grapevine.wam.umd.edu...
# # stans4 at (no spam) prolynx.com wrote:
# #
# # # A lot depends on the bullet construction and there's more than a
# # # century of development on the .30-30's side. It'll also fire a much
# # # heavier bullet and was designed for shooting game. 7.62x39 was
# # # designed for shooting at people and not necessarily killing them.
# # # It'll probably do OK for shooting deer at .30-30 distances with decent
# # # expanding bullets, but finding such ammo can be hard to do unless you
# # # handload it. Haven't seen any "premium" hunting ammo for 7.62x39. The
# # # thing that the 7.62x39 had going for it was the availability of cheap
# # # guns and cheap ammo, those days are over.
# #
# # The two young ladies I hunt with both use SKSs with widely available
# # Winchester SP ammo. They have taken more than half a dozen deer within
# # 100 yards, all with one shot kills. No premium ammo needed, just
# # premium shooters.
# #
# # David
#
# ---------------
#
# If you don't mind answering, what caliber in inches is the 7.62x39
# ammunition? TIA
#
# Ed Cregger
I miked the Winchester SP at .310". I've found milsurp to range from
..309 to .312. The girl's SKSs are Chinese, new when I sold them to the
girl's Dad.
David
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| David R.Birch... |
| Posted: Mon Jul 21, 2008 2:17 pm |
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Alex Cunningham wrote:
# 7.62 is the bullet diameter. In inches it is .308". The 39 is the length of
# the cartridge case in millimetres which equals 1.535". It really does not
# have an Imperial measurement designation.
Actually, 7.62mm is .300", and the groove diameter is .310" for Soviet
ammo, while we use .308".
David
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| Ed Cregger... |
| Posted: Tue Jul 22, 2008 2:53 am |
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"David R.Birch" <dbirch at (no spam) wi.rr.com> wrote in message
news:g638tu$7j6$1 at (no spam) grapevine.wam.umd.edu...
# Ed Cregger wrote:
# # "David R.Birch" <dbirch at (no spam) wi.rr.com> wrote in message
# # news:g5v5m0$ipi$1 at (no spam) grapevine.wam.umd.edu...
# # # stans4 at (no spam) prolynx.com wrote:
# # #
# # # # A lot depends on the bullet construction and there's more than a
# # # # century of development on the .30-30's side. It'll also fire a much
# # # # heavier bullet and was designed for shooting game. 7.62x39 was
# # # # designed for shooting at people and not necessarily killing them.
# # # # It'll probably do OK for shooting deer at .30-30 distances with
# decent
# # # # expanding bullets, but finding such ammo can be hard to do unless
# you
# # # # handload it. Haven't seen any "premium" hunting ammo for 7.62x39.
# The
# # # # thing that the 7.62x39 had going for it was the availability of
# cheap
# # # # guns and cheap ammo, those days are over.
# # #
# # # The two young ladies I hunt with both use SKSs with widely available
# # # Winchester SP ammo. They have taken more than half a dozen deer within
# # # 100 yards, all with one shot kills. No premium ammo needed, just
# # # premium shooters.
# # #
# # # David
# #
# # ---------------
# #
# # If you don't mind answering, what caliber in inches is the 7.62x39
# # ammunition? TIA
# #
# # Ed Cregger
#
# I miked the Winchester SP at .310". I've found milsurp to range from
# .309 to .312. The girl's SKSs are Chinese, new when I sold them to the
# girl's Dad.
#
# David
#
#
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Thanks, David and everyone.
Ed Cregger
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