Broward Artificial Reef, Inc. came up with the idea of dumping 36 acres
of tires at Osborne Reef in 1972. The Army Corps of Engineers approved
the plan as did the Broward County Commission. The USS Thrush and more
than 100 private boats volunteered to throw the bundles of tires
overboard, with the sponsorship of Goodyear.

Last summer, the Navy removed a few tires as part of a training mission.
A full-scale salvage operation was forecast to run through 2010 at a
cost to the state of about $3.4 million.

Florida’s 2008 budget includes $2 million to help raise and dispose of
the tires. The Navy divers work at no cost to the state.

There are no plans to fund volunteer work, because of liability issues.

There are roughly 2 million tires that have been spreading along the
reef as the bundle bindings break. A hurricane in the area could spread
them over a relatively healthy reef system, scouring it clean.

Fact is, only a few thousand tires can be removed by the Navy by 2010,
and $3.4 million will hardly make a dent: the Navy works very slowly and
for only two months per year, and the tires, once raised, have to be
disposed of. A Nova University team estimated $17/tire which is prolly
high, but the cost will certainly be a lot more than a buck seventy five
per tire.

There is legal cause and precedent to force the dumpers to clean up
their mess, and Reef Rescue is researching the case to gather evidence.
Actually bringing the culprits to court, however, is far beyond Reef
Rescue's financial means and will require six-figures to take on some
very powerful and well-connected folks.

Meanwhile, the folks involved are making much of their good intentions
and how they thought tires would make a really nifty reef, despite the
fact that previous tire reefs had already proved disastrous.

Wanna cut their balls off? Go to http://www.reef-rescue.org/ and click
on "DONATE".

esg

El Stroko Guapo wrote:

Jer wrote:

El Stroko Guapo wrote:

Broward Artificial Reef, Inc. came up with the idea of dumping 36
acres of tires at Osborne Reef in 1972. The Army Corps of Engineers
approved the plan as did the Broward County Commission. The USS
Thrush and more than 100 private boats volunteered to throw the
bundles of tires overboard, with the sponsorship of Goodyear.

Last summer, the Navy removed a few tires as part of a training
mission. A full-scale salvage operation was forecast to run through
2010 at a cost to the state of about $3.4 million.

Florida’s 2008 budget includes $2 million to help raise and dispose
of the tires. The Navy divers work at no cost to the state.

There are no plans to fund volunteer work, because of liability issues.

There are roughly 2 million tires that have been spreading along the
reef as the bundle bindings break. A hurricane in the area could
spread them over a relatively healthy reef system, scouring it clean.

Fact is, only a few thousand tires can be removed by the Navy by
2010, and $3.4 million will hardly make a dent: the Navy works very
slowly and for only two months per year, and the tires, once raised,
have to be disposed of. A Nova University team estimated $17/tire
which is prolly high, but the cost will certainly be a lot more than
a buck seventy five per tire.

There is legal cause and precedent to force the dumpers to clean up
their mess, and Reef Rescue is researching the case to gather
evidence. Actually bringing the culprits to court, however, is far
beyond Reef Rescue's financial means and will require six-figures to
take on some very powerful and well-connected folks.

Meanwhile, the folks involved are making much of their good
intentions and how they thought tires would make a really nifty
reef, despite the fact that previous tire reefs had already proved
disastrous.

Wanna cut their balls off? Go to http://www.reef-rescue.org/ and
click on "DONATE".

esg




Thanks Lee


I'm confused... how can legal action be brought when there was so
much support, even official sanctions for this effort? People make
mistakes, and this one is certainly huge, yet hidden.


Legal action can be brought against polluters regardless of the
popularity of those that did the polluting.

esg



As likely as that is, my issue is with the efficacy of doing so. If the
city gave me permission to dump garbage on your yard, and you don't like
it, your issue isn't with me. It may well have been my mistake to
listen to the city in the fist place, nevertheless...


Cities and counties have been successfully sued to dig up entire solid

On Jul 19, 10:13 am, Bob <Crownfi... at (no spam) verizon.net> wrote:

In article <60f61815-bcef-46bd-9e59-7d8a98e7fe67
at (no spam) h17g2000prg.googlegroups.com>, moss... at (no spam) qnet.com says...


On Jul 15, 6:38 pm, Jer <gd... at (no spam) airmail.ten> wrote:

I'm confused... how can legal action be brought when there was so much
support, even official sanctions for this effort? People make mistakes,
and this one is certainly huge, yet hidden.

I recommend we start the rumor that Al Queda subversives are hiding in
those tires. The Navy wouldn't waste a second and the cost would be
rolled into a DHS budget line item. If they run short, they could get a
loan from the Chinese or sell some nukes to Iran.

Better yet, start a rumor that the tires mark sites for offshore
drilling and the Republicans and oil companies will be tripping over
each other to clear them away and replace them with signs stating
"Property of Exxon".

that would work
if oilmen had the iqs of lawyers.


Worse. Wasn't George Bush an oilman?

Jer wrote:
El Stroko Guapo wrote:

Jer wrote:

El Stroko Guapo wrote:

Broward Artificial Reef, Inc. came up with the idea of dumping 36
acres of tires at Osborne Reef in 1972. The Army Corps of Engineers
approved the plan as did the Broward County Commission. The USS
Thrush and more than 100 private boats volunteered to throw the
bundles of tires overboard, with the sponsorship of Goodyear.

Last summer, the Navy removed a few tires as part of a training
mission. A full-scale salvage operation was forecast to run through
2010 at a cost to the state of about $3.4 million.

Florida’s 2008 budget includes $2 million to help raise and dispose
of the tires. The Navy divers work at no cost to the state.

There are no plans to fund volunteer work, because of liability
issues.

There are roughly 2 million tires that have been spreading along
the reef as the bundle bindings break. A hurricane in the area
could spread them over a relatively healthy reef system, scouring
it clean.

Fact is, only a few thousand tires can be removed by the Navy by
2010, and $3.4 million will hardly make a dent: the Navy works very
slowly and for only two months per year, and the tires, once
raised, have to be disposed of. A Nova University team estimated
$17/tire which is prolly high, but the cost will certainly be a lot
more than a buck seventy five per tire.

There is legal cause and precedent to force the dumpers to clean up
their mess, and Reef Rescue is researching the case to gather
evidence. Actually bringing the culprits to court, however, is far
beyond Reef Rescue's financial means and will require six-figures
to take on some very powerful and well-connected folks.

Meanwhile, the folks involved are making much of their good
intentions and how they thought tires would make a really nifty
reef, despite the fact that previous tire reefs had already proved
disastrous.

Wanna cut their balls off? Go to http://www.reef-rescue.org/ and
click on "DONATE".

esg




Thanks Lee


I'm confused... how can legal action be brought when there was so
much support, even official sanctions for this effort? People make
mistakes, and this one is certainly huge, yet hidden.


Legal action can be brought against polluters regardless of the
popularity of those that did the polluting.

esg



As likely as that is, my issue is with the efficacy of doing so. If
the city gave me permission to dump garbage on your yard, and you
don't like it, your issue isn't with me. It may well have been my
mistake to listen to the city in the fist place, nevertheless...


Cities and counties have been successfully sued to dig up entire solid
waste sites, legally constructed and permitted, and move them.

esg

In that vein, perhaps Reef Rescue could go after all the Floridians
creating the pollution, not the ones who merely transport it to the
ocean? Revoke their toilet flushing privileges and fine them
retroactively per fecal deposit.