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| cindi... |
Posted: Fri Jul 11, 2008 6:33 pm |
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On Jul 11, 8:55 pm, LandShark <landsharkr... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote:
Quote: On Jul 11, 6:05 pm, Laurel Reddick <lred... at (no spam) nowhere.invalid> wrote:
I think Cindi should be arriving in town in about a week. <snip
I hope to convince her to let me take them over on the ferry to
Vancouver Island to have high tea and visit Butchart Gardens.
Cindi is due here the middle of next week, but it sounds like such fun
at YOUR place that I might have to drag along with her! hahahaha
But I am dreading spiffing up the spare bedrooms as I am
not a fan of house
keeping (she hopes to stay a night or so here with us).
I already addressed that with her, too, cuz I am not looking forward
to all that should be done. Fortunately, she understands, so don't
worry about it. <g
Gals,
Despite my posting of the list of numerous things I did today in reply
to Splash (and crap, I forgot to list I also gave two lessons!), my
house is a mess, and your houses can be in whatever state you usually
like for them to be in. I do the bare minimum around here so that we
can walk around without tripping over stuff as long as we follow the
path, LOL, so we can have a clean dish or two upon which to eat, so we
don't have to (always) wear dirty clothes. I would much rather be
playing with my son, hanging with my daughter, reading, watching a
movie, or of course, being out with the horses! So no worries,
please! I look forward so much to meeting you both!
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| John Hasler... |
Posted: Fri Jul 11, 2008 9:39 pm |
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Bill writes:
Quote: I've seen tractors with steel tires in museums and operating in films.
Pretty rough riding, but never a flat.
I've never seen a flat on a tractor rear wheel either, even on tractors
with decades old rubber tires.
Quote: Tanks also do quite well on treads, although for road driving something
wheeled like a Striker will ride better.
It isn't the ride. It's speed, fuel efficiency, and low maintenance.
Quote: Still, if you've go to go in harm's way the M1 Abrams is the way to go.
If you've got the support. Tracks are very high maintenance.
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John Hasler Boarding, Lessons, Training
john at (no spam) dhh.gt.org Hay, Jumps, Cavallox
Dancing Horse Hill
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Posted: Fri Jul 11, 2008 9:55 pm |
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Reread the claims of barefoot cures she makes...she left rational behind a
long time ago.
She is a looney "TRUE BELIEVER" and has allways ben a flake.
"LandShark" <landsharkruth at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote in message
news:0323b19c-22bc-4499-83a3-b4f8bdd43d6f at (no spam) k30g2000hse.googlegroups.com...
Quote: On Jul 11, 12:29 pm, <raykel... at (no spam) rnsmte.com> wrote:
You think she is not looney with all her barefoot claims???
No. I do not think she's looney. She has a difference of opinion.
It works for her, in her area, with her horses. It would not work for
me, in this area, with my horses (except 1 horse that I own).
I am not a 100% barefoot advocate, either. Some people are. She is
entitled to her opinion. She is entitled to do things her way... they
are her horses. I don't have to agree and neither do you. Looney?
No. Assertive? Yes. Passionate about it? Yes.
Ruth W.
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| Bill Kambic... |
Posted: Fri Jul 11, 2008 10:14 pm |
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On Sat, 12 Jul 2008 03:28:46 GMT, Laurel Reddick
<lreddic at (no spam) nowhere.invalid> wrote:
Quote: What more is there to say?
I have thought of doing that, but in some sick way I am fascinated
with your surly contrary castigating manner. And I put up with it
just fine for months on end before it causes me to go postal--so
likely I would feel I was missing something if I kill filed you.
Laurel
Then I am honored to be a source of entertainment, however "sick," in
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| Laurel Reddick... |
Posted: Fri Jul 11, 2008 10:42 pm |
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On Fri, 11 Jul 2008 22:25:13 -0500, John Hasler <john at (no spam) dhh.gt.org>
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Quote: Laurel Reddick wrote:
Everything you say is true. And it's a door that swings both ways. From
years of reading what you write Bill, you scrutinize every posting to
find fault in what a person says or how they say it.
This is Usenet. That's what we do here. It's what you are doing now.
That isn't what everybody does John. I would say the majority of
posters respond with civility and helpfulness. Yes, I agree that I
responded with snarkiness which typically will cause me to toss and
turn tonight. I should have just sucked it up and let it pass as I
generally do.
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| JC Dill... |
Posted: Tue Jul 15, 2008 1:23 am |
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cindi wrote:
Quote: On Jul 9, 4:08 am, "Madeline Rockwell" <madel... at (no spam) vermontel.net> wrote:
We in Vermont laugh at your idea of rocks... Those are hardly even pebbles.
Some of us in CA laugh at Cindi's idea of rocks too.
Quote: I will try to get some better rock pics, as those just happen to be
pics I have laying around that were not meant to have anything to do
with rocks.
It might help to take a look at photos of rocky trails first:
<http://flickr.com/search/?w=all&q=rocky+trail+-peak&m=text>
<http://images.google.com/images?q=rocky%20trail>
<http://www.2wfmorganclub.com/photo_album/images/Suzanne%20Mounts%27%20gelding%20Moose%20-%20Tevis%20Cup.jpg>
<http://www.ws100.com/images/Ralph-Paffenbarger.jpg>
<http://thistledown-borderterriers.com/Trail_Riding.html>
This might help you get some perspective on the type of footing
conditions people are describing when they say their horses wear thru
steel shoes in 4-5 weeks. Most horses that have to work on trails like
these can't do it barefoot - even with boots. Your description (and
photos) of "rocky footing" isn't anything like what Really Rocky Footing
is like. Gravel roads and dirt arenas with occasional bits of gravel or
small rocks aren't nearly as rocky, or as hard, as real rocky footing
and real rocky trails.
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| cindi... |
Posted: Wed Jul 16, 2008 6:40 am |
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On Jul 16, 2:24 am, Mary McHugh <emjay... at (no spam) yahoo.com> wrote:
Quote: Nah, it's the boulder buried just below the surface with the one small
sharp corner poking up like an iceberg floating in water.
Not sure how one sharp corner poking up from a boulder is any
different than a sharp rock on firm footing... ??? I doubt Bill's
mare was pawing on a boulder tip when she got her stone bruise.
Quote: No matter how many pictures you take or how much gravel you spread, you
are never going to simulate conditions elsewhere.
Why can't you just accept that conditions are very different in other
parts of the country?
Say what? Of course things are different in different places. I just
don't want anybody thinking the pics I posted were pics taken
purposely of rocks and that they represent the rocky conditions
here.
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| Ruth Baltopoulos... |
Posted: Wed Jul 16, 2008 12:02 pm |
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cindi wrote:
Quote: Not sure how one sharp corner poking up from a boulder is any
different than a sharp rock on firm footing... ??? I doubt Bill's
mare was pawing on a boulder tip when she got her stone bruise.
I can definitely see where there would be a difference. Who
knows how Bill's animal got her stone bruise? This is all
speculative at best.
Quote: Say what? Of course things are different in different places. I just
don't want anybody thinking the pics I posted were pics taken
purposely of rocks and that they represent the rocky conditions
here.
I think we are all pretty clear of the "points" you are
trying to make
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| Hunter Hampton... |
Posted: Wed Jul 16, 2008 2:46 pm |
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On Wed, 16 Jul 2008 15:06:53 -0400, Hunter Hampton
<airstreamingypsy at (no spam) geemail.com> wrote:
Quote: For me it was Connecticut.... they grow rocks there.
or maybe eastern Wyoming...
I went to a ranch there and we took a ride I called the Rock & Hole
ride....
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| Ruth Baltopoulos... |
Posted: Wed Jul 16, 2008 3:09 pm |
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Hunter Hampton wrote:
Quote: Hunter Hampton wrote:
For me it was Connecticut.... they grow rocks there.
or maybe eastern Wyoming...
I went to a ranch there and we took a ride I called the Rock & Hole
ride....
Hunter, are you talking to yourself again? :)
In the area of my home, there is varied terrain. We are
right at the foot of the Blue Hills, and riding those trails
can be a rocky proposition.
The footing at my farm is quite soft. Soft dirt with clay
and some sand. Along the river the biggest challenges are
roots on the trail, not rocks.
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| JC Dill... |
Posted: Wed Jul 16, 2008 3:55 pm |
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cindi wrote:
Quote: On Jul 14, 11:23 pm, JC Dill <jcdill.li... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote:
It might help to take a look at photos of rocky trails first:
Frankly, the item most likely to cause a stone bruise is a small rock,
maybe 3/4 to 1 inch, that's sharp and jagged, laying on top of firm
footing. The hoof hits it with its full weight. It is unyielding due
to being on firm footing. That is way different than walking around
on rocks that are bigger than hooves. That might break up hooves and
make horses sore, and the hard and unyielding surface can be
challenging, but the standard stone bruise is from stepping on
something smaller than the hoof itself... At any rate, we have rocky
areas in CA too. Like I've said several times, the pics I happen to
have show gravel, and pea gravel, and specifically at the gymkhana
grounds gravel and rock and broken concrete and broken asphalt on
asphalt, and none of them were intended to be pictures of rocks for
the sake of rocks. I'll get some pics when I get back from Canada.
A horse is more likely to get bruised working on rocks-on-rocks than
walking on rocks-on-dirt - no matter how hard packed the "firm footing"
dirt. This is due to two things: 1) Hard-packed "firm footing" has
much more give than rocks. 2) The horse hits the sole on a rock more
often when working on rocks-on-rocks (because all the footing is rocks)
than when working on rocks-on-dirt (where much of the footing is not-rocks).
The footing (you showed and described) seems to be rocky only because
you are comparing it to groomed arena footing from other riding
establishments. But the "rocky soil" in the San Joaquin valley is
nothing like the rocky soil found in other areas. Your property is
located in the basin of a huge valley (the Great Central Valley) covered
in topsoil with relatively few (and small) rocks. The Sierra foothills
are not rocky either. Compare with areas that have "rock walls" made
from rocks pulled out of the fields the walls surround.
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